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#101 markop2003
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It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

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The person whose biggest or group with the most people is most likely to win. Even if a skinny girl is a master of martial arts a big bouncer with no real training will win in a fight.
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#102 ShadowMoses900
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Learn Krav Maga, that's the only martial art you need to learn. It is the most effective and most deadly, however it is not used for sport, it is only meant to be used for self defense and to kill you aggressor.

A child who knows Krav Maga can kill an adult, there are attacks that you could cripple or kill someone in one strike.

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#103 m25105
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[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

markop2003
The person whose biggest or group with the most people is most likely to win. Even if a skinny girl is a master of martial arts a big bouncer with no real training will win in a fight.

No. Being big doesn't mean you win. Nogueira vs. Sapp This was back when Sapp was a beast, mauling everyone.
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#104 m25105
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Learn Krav Maga, that's the only martial art you need to learn. It is the most effective and most deadly, however it is not used for sport, it is only meant to be used for self defense and to kill you aggressor.

A child who knows Krav Maga can kill an adult, there are attacks that you could cripple or kill someone in one strike.

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I'm not going to question whether or not Krav Maga is effective, but there is no way a child can do anything to a grown adult.
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#105 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

m25105
The person whose biggest or group with the most people is most likely to win. Even if a skinny girl is a master of martial arts a big bouncer with no real training will win in a fight.

No. Being big doesn't mean you win. Nogueira vs. Sapp This was back when Sapp was a beast, mauling everyone.

Both of them are big... I'm talking 50kg girl vs 120kg bouncer
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#106 m25105
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="markop2003"] The person whose biggest or group with the most people is most likely to win. Even if a skinny girl is a master of martial arts a big bouncer with no real training will win in a fight.

No. Being big doesn't mean you win. Nogueira vs. Sapp This was back when Sapp was a beast, mauling everyone.

Both of them are big... I'm talking 50kg girl vs 120kg bouncer

First no, it's safe to say that there was at least a 50kg advantage to Sapp and that's being conservative. The man manhandled Noguira from the opening, tossing him about like he was a rag doll. Second, well that's of course a completely different scenario. Girl wouldn't stand a chance unarmed.
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#107 DRAGONPIECEZ
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

m25105

The person whose biggest or group with the most people is most likely to win. Even if a skinny girl is a master of martial arts a big bouncer with no real training will win in a fight.

No. Being big doesn't mean you win. Nogueira vs. Sapp This was back when Sapp was a beast, mauling everyone.

Agreed. There's a woman in my dojo who is one of the most proficient martial artists I've ever met, and she can take down men twice her size when we practie kumite. Her front kick could send me through a window. There's also a san-dan who is shorter than me who practices a couple other arts who is a beast. It's not just about power. Technique, speed, mentality, spirit, precision, all enter the equation, so fighting isn't as one sided as one may think.

To comment on the other point, you are correct. It is an atrocity how some "masters" hand out their blackbelts like candy. "Pay me this amount and I'll rank you up." If you fatten their wallets, they'll promote you, and they'll take 100 students at a time. How much of a quality master is your sensei when he takes 100 students under his wing and sees you as just another paycheck? People think they're martial arts masters when they become black belt, then they run away and leave their sensei thinking they're hot stuff and have mastered everything, when in reality the martial arts is a LIFE LONG COMMITMENT. At black belt rank, that's when the training JUST BEGINS! I've had horrible experiences with "mcDojos" in my past, and I'm so happy that I found a true traditional place to practice. One that lives for the love of the art and not the greed.

TLDR: I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the odds are in favor of the behemoth, but it's not utterly impossible for the smaller woman to win if she's proficient and is smart

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#108 m25105
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I actively emplore everyone to watch that video. This video is a match that's about 15min long, but it shows a gigantic man, built like a beast from a video game fighting a smaller framed (compared to the beast) man. It's technique versus strength.
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#109 Andrew_Xavier
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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Learn some boxing, that sh!t will take care of the rest.m25105
Boxing is useless in a street fight. Krav Maga is literally the only effective art for taking on multiple people...

And what are you basing this on? Boxing is a great martial art.

Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.
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#110 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Boxing is useless in a street fight. Krav Maga is literally the only effective art for taking on multiple people...Andrew_Xavier
And what are you basing this on? Boxing is a great martial art.

Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.

That video (1 vs many) shows a guy defending himself against several attackers (it's footage capture by a witness) using boxing technique. His attackers are grown men, and none of them appear to be intoxicated (beating up a drunk guy is no real feat).

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#111 DRAGONPIECEZ
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Boxing is useless in a street fight. Krav Maga is literally the only effective art for taking on multiple people...Andrew_Xavier
And what are you basing this on? Boxing is a great martial art.

Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

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#112 lilasianwonder
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Seems to work for Jackie Chan.
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#113 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Somewhat relevant and awesome.

BluRayHiDef

cudnt they all charge and tackle him instead 1v1?

Well, it is choreographed. However, let's assume that it's real and not choreographed. The purpose of the match is to determine if Chinese Martial Arts - Kunfu is superior to Japanese Martial Arts - Karate. If they just jumped him, there'd be no way to determine which art form is superior because the match would depend on numbers.

Uhh. Ip-man was a grandmaster of Wing-Chun, i'm not sure where you're getting this "kunfu" from... Quit trying to explain movies you've never seen.
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#114 Zensword
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Bruce Lee, was a visionist. He took what was effective from each art and incorporate into what would work for self defense and street fighting. His encounter with Gene LeBell, while he Kato in the Green Hornet series for example, introduced him to the concept of effective grappling.

m25105

I see, Bruce Lee was quite pragmatic then. And I will check out the fighters you listed.

Anthony Pettis Highlight

Cung Le Highlights

I bet you don't know that he also trained in Vovinam, a Vietnamese martial art style, which is popular in VIetnam and many Western countries, especially Russia, Ukraine.
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#115 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="m25105"] And what are you basing this on? Boxing is a great martial art. DRAGONPIECEZ

Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.
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#116 m25105
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[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.Nibroc420

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.

No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused.
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#117 dercoo
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Harrison Ford already showed which Martial Art comes out on top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7I1L0Oa-NE

[spoiler] gun-fu [/spoiler]

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#118 Zensword
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[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

Kyokushin certainly helped me in 1v1, but fighting several ppl at once, you'll have no chance no matter how many forms of MA you know

m25105

Bas Rutten disagrees :P

1 vs. many street fight

Wow what arts did he use ?
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Depends on the martial art, though personal fitness,size and willpower matter more. Also a black belt dosn't mean anything for starters all they're supposed to mean is basic competencies and a lot of dojos pretty much just hand out belts because it keeps people coming back and paying.markop2003

Mcdojo is the word.

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#120 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

Kyokushin certainly helped me in 1v1, but fighting several ppl at once, you'll have no chance no matter how many forms of MA you know

Zensword

Bas Rutten disagrees :P

1 vs. many street fight

Wow what arts did he use ?

Boxing.
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#121 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

m25105

Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.

No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused.

It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

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#122 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.Nibroc420

No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused.

It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

Why in God's name do you think a boxer would fight a street fighter like he would in a sparring session?
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#123 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused. m25105

It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

Why in God's name do you think a boxer would fight a street fighter like he would in a sparring session?

I think nothing in the name of fairies. I do know however, that boxers have no advantage over anyone else in a street fight.
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#124 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

Nibroc420

Why in God's name do you think a boxer would fight a street fighter like he would in a sparring session?

I think nothing in the name of fairies. I do know however, that boxers have no advantage over anyone else in a street fight.

So let me get this straight. Despite a video showing a boxer fending off four attackers.

Despite the fact that boxing focuses heavily on sparring and how to react when getting hit, how to defend yourself from getting hit and how to effective punch, move, dodge, bob, weave. How they train their stamina, so they can last 12 rounds if need be, won't have an advantage over some average guy who hasn't trained in any form of combat sport?

Yeah, I think I made my point.

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#125 spiritwave
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Everyone in this thread that said it depends on the martial art either hasn't been in a martial art, is doing it wrong, or has not fought.

It depends on the individual. Do they have the intent to use the martial art? I'm positive that many people can get a black belt by never sparring for real. There are many different types of martial artists, and sure, a lot of them have turned into sport. But no matter what you know, you need the resolve to use those things in real situations.

How can you even judge the effectiveness of martial arts in general on 1 case? There are countless other things to hear, from a mere TKD punch saving someone, to a young boxer dealing with a school bully.

Another thing...of course boxers have the advantage over the regular guy in a street fight. The difference in experiencing combat, sport or street, will put them in a better position than someone who has never had a punch thrown at them. Reflexes and conditioning bro. The only bad part is being conditioned to wearing gloves really. That could be a problem.

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#126 LostProphetFLCL
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Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.Nibroc420

No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused.

It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

You have no clue what boxing can teach you.

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#128 branketra
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Everyone in this thread that said it depends on the martial art either hasn't been in a martial art, is doing it wrong, or has not fought.

It depends on the individual. Do they have the intent to use the martial art? I'm positive that many people can get a black belt by never sparring for real. There are many different types of martial artists, and sure, a lot of them have turned into sport. But no matter what you know, you need the resolve to use those things in real situations.

How can you even judge the effectiveness of martial arts in general on 1 case? There are countless other things to hear, from a mere TKD punch saving someone, to a young boxer dealing with a school bully.

Another thing...of course boxers have the advantage over the regular guy in a street fight. The difference in experiencing combat, sport or street, will put them in a better position than someone who has never had a punch thrown at them. Reflexes and conditioning bro. The only bad part is being conditioned to wearing gloves really. That could be a problem.

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I don't do TKD, but my art has many kicks, most of the "real" ones and not sport based are below the belt to vital points in the legs or in the crotch. Those are all very effective since a person needs to be trained to avoid taking damage by those.

No, when you're in jeans, not strecthed out, and on the street, your roundhouse to the face is not going to work well.

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#130 branketra
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I don't do TKD, but my art has many kicks, most of the "real" ones and not sport based are below the belt to vital points in the legs or in the crotch. Those are all very effective since a person needs to be trained to avoid taking damage by those.

No, when you're in jeans, not strecthed out, and on the street, your roundhouse to the face is not going to work well.

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Well, most street fights go to the ground. Therefore jiu jitsu/judo/wrestling would be pretty beneficial along with some boxing if it stays stand up.

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#132 OG_LIP
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Once you master the testicle shots.. all training.. all weight lifting.. goes down the drain as you tumble to the ground crying.

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#133 Optical_Order
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[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.Nibroc420

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.

Yeah, because boxers can only fight if there is a referee around :roll:

Boxing helps with a myriad of things. Yes, there is a difference from a boxing match to a street fight, but everything you learn can only help, and if you are squaring off against someone with no fighting/mma background you'll have a much better chance than if you didn't know how to box.

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it depends, if you master in the skittles arts chances are you will lose to a chump with a gun, even if youre like a foot taller and in shape..
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#135 spiritwave
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Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

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Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

LostProphetFLCL

Kimbo was fighting people his size or bigger with better skills in the ufc. The average man with no training never stood a chance with kimbo in the streets.

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#137 branketra
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Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

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Do you know martial arts?
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#138 mrmusicman247
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Have you not heard of Street Fighter?
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#139 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

noscope-ak47

Kimbo was fighting people his size or bigger with better skills in the ufc. The average man with no training never stood a chance with kimbo in the streets.

Kimbo got knocked out by someone WAYsmaller than him in the UFC....

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#140 spiritwave
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[QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

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Yes I do. Officially 1 form of Karate and a bit of Kenpo, though I study a few forms of Karate. I learn some Aikido, and Jiu-Jitsu mixed into that. I have done boxing and kickboxing training since I have a friend who mained boxing for a long time. I'm sure I will get some anti ground game training in the future when I fight a BJJ friend.

I spar weekly, but it is not the point fighting based kind. It is more like a brawl form of sparring.

And for the guy that mentioned Street Fighter...Makoto all day every day.

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#141 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

Do you know martial arts?

Yes I do. Officially 1 form of Karate and a bit of Kenpo, though I study a few forms of Karate. I learn some Aikido, and Jiu-Jitsu mixed into that. I have done boxing and kickboxing training since I have a friend who mained boxing for a long time. I'm sure I will get some anti ground game training in the future when I fight a BJJ friend.

I spar weekly, but it is not the point fighting based kind. It is more like a brawl form of sparring.

And for the guy that mentioned Street Fighter...Makoto all day every day.

Okay. I officially learned TKD and MMA, so kickboxing and BJJ. Besides those, I know hapkido, wrestling, boxing, and muay thai, and well as a few forms of kung fu. I also spar like that. Just curious about some of the posts because if anyone has practiced or even watched someone else while they do it, they would know the usefulness of it. Also Ryu ftw.
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#142 Serraph105
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Example.

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dude that was awesome.
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#143 markop2003
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[QUOTE="m25105"] Second, well that's of course a completely different scenario. Girl wouldn't stand a chance unarmed.

Which is the exact premise of this thread, we're talking about people who are not put into weight categories and are not professional athletes, just average joes.
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#144 markop2003
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Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

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1. That only works if it's a stand up fight. Street fights tend to occur without much warning. 2. You know some weird people...
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#145 spiritwave
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In order to get to the ground, you must go through stand up. I'm fairly sure a majority of randoms on the street are not highly skilled in mma. And even if they are decent, odds are they are not UFC level. It doesn't take knowledge of Muay Thai to know that a knee to the face against someone not proficient in take downs will end a fight before it goes to the dirt.

BranK-That's a nice variety. Do you ever watch K1 kickboxing? Just curious. And what posts do you mean, mine?

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Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

Seriously?

A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.

Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.

Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.

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#147 branketra
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In order to get to the ground, you must go through stand up. I'm fairly sure a majority of randoms on the street are not highly skilled in mma. And even if they are decent, odds are they are not UFC level. It doesn't take knowledge of Muay Thai to know that a knee to the face against someone not proficient in take downs will end a fight before it goes to the dirt.

BranK-That's a nice variety. Do you ever watch K1 kickboxing? Just curious. And what posts do you mean, mine?

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Thanks, you too. Especially mixing karate with Jiu-Jitsu. I watch it sometimes as well as Kyokushin karate tournaments and UFC. I wasn't talking about yours. It was the some of the other users ITT.
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#148 WilliamRLBaker
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no Becuase in any real fight its whom ever hits the hardest and lands those hits that wins, In a real street fight between 2 people that are actually fighting *the example given in the 1st or 2nd reply is a wuss vs a guy whom has martial arts training* there is no timid testing, no dancing around you go at it, there is a reason 95% of UFC fights turn into grapple matches on the ground because real fighting is never clean.

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#149 spiritwave
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[QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

Optical_Order

Seriously?

A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.

Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.

Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.

Yea, and guesss what happens to the guy laying down getting pounded...he loses. In fact, he already lost just because he's on the pavement. Of course groin shots work. I stated they don't all the time because people with the intent to do something to you may come prepared. Maybe you shouldn't assume they are my "stupid buddies," but rather what I've seen from experience. I don't see how "no one cares" can even fit into this convo if you cannot even mention a real life experience other than watching youtube. So please, stop trying to belittle my opinion, thank you. I've been stabbed by random accessories in real fights. If I went down, I'm sure ground game wouldn't have helped me.

And the whole point of my original post is that martial arts knowledge helps. I can't see how anyone with actual knowledge and experience could think otherwise.

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#150 cheese_game619
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Not if you are fighting Kimbo Slice. senses_fail_06
You realise he actually did martial arts and got his ass kicked over and over, right? It wasn't even that long ago.
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Joe Rogan was a State and National TKD champion. He came back from the Championships and wanted to broaden his martial arts knowledge so he went to a kick boxing gym. The first guy he sparred kicked his ass, and he never practiced pure TKD again. Any martial arts is helpful even if it's just knowing how to block or punch properly, but there are definitely more effective forms than others. If you see two guys that do Kung-Fu get in a fight I guarantee they try to take each other and ground and pound.