Are martial arts effective in street fights ?

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

DRAGONPIECEZ

Learn Krav Maga, that's the only martial art you need to learn. It is the most effective and most deadly, however it is not used for sport, it is only meant to be used for self defense and to kill you aggressor.

A child who knows Krav Maga can kill an adult, there are attacks that you could cripple or kill someone in one strike.

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

markop2003

Learn Krav Maga, that's the only martial art you need to learn. It is the most effective and most deadly, however it is not used for sport, it is only meant to be used for self defense and to kill you aggressor.

A child who knows Krav Maga can kill an adult, there are attacks that you could cripple or kill someone in one strike.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

m25105

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's the person who has trained more diligent in their specific art that will come out on top.

m25105

Agreed. There's a woman in my dojo who is one of the most proficient martial artists I've ever met, and she can take down men twice her size when we practie kumite. Her front kick could send me through a window. There's also a san-dan who is shorter than me who practices a couple other arts who is a beast. It's not just about power. Technique, speed, mentality, spirit, precision, all enter the equation, so fighting isn't as one sided as one may think.

To comment on the other point, you are correct. It is an atrocity how some "masters" hand out their blackbelts like candy. "Pay me this amount and I'll rank you up." If you fatten their wallets, they'll promote you, and they'll take 100 students at a time. How much of a quality master is your sensei when he takes 100 students under his wing and sees you as just another paycheck? People think they're martial arts masters when they become black belt, then they run away and leave their sensei thinking they're hot stuff and have mastered everything, when in reality the martial arts is a LIFE LONG COMMITMENT. At black belt rank, that's when the training JUST BEGINS! I've had horrible experiences with "mcDojos" in my past, and I'm so happy that I found a true traditional place to practice. One that lives for the love of the art and not the greed.

TLDR: I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the odds are in favor of the behemoth, but it's not utterly impossible for the smaller woman to win if she's proficient and is smart

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Learn some boxing, that sh!t will take care of the rest.m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Boxing is useless in a street fight. Krav Maga is literally the only effective art for taking on multiple people...Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Boxing is useless in a street fight. Krav Maga is literally the only effective art for taking on multiple people...Andrew_Xavier

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Somewhat relevant and awesome.

BluRayHiDef

Well, it is choreographed. However, let's assume that it's real and not choreographed. The purpose of the match is to determine if Chinese Martial Arts - Kunfu is superior to Japanese Martial Arts - Karate. If they just jumped him, there'd be no way to determine which art form is superior because the match would depend on numbers.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Bruce Lee, was a visionist. He took what was effective from each art and incorporate into what would work for self defense and street fighting. His encounter with Gene LeBell, while he Kato in the Green Hornet series for example, introduced him to the concept of effective grappling.

m25105

Cung Le Highlights

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="m25105"] And what are you basing this on? Boxing is a great martial art. DRAGONPIECEZ

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.Nibroc420

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

Harrison Ford already showed which Martial Art comes out on top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7I1L0Oa-NE

[spoiler] gun-fu [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

Kyokushin certainly helped me in 1v1, but fighting several ppl at once, you'll have no chance no matter how many forms of MA you know

m25105

1 vs. many street fight

Depends on the martial art, though personal fitness,size and willpower matter more. Also a black belt dosn't mean anything for starters all they're supposed to mean is basic competencies and a lot of dojos pretty much just hand out belts because it keeps people coming back and paying.markop2003

Mcdojo is the word.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Postal_Guy"]

Kyokushin certainly helped me in 1v1, but fighting several ppl at once, you'll have no chance no matter how many forms of MA you know

Zensword

1 vs. many street fight

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

m25105

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.Nibroc420

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] No. Boxing is an awesome way to defend yourself. Maybe you're confused. m25105

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It wont help much more than simply knowing how to punch.

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

Nibroc420

So let me get this straight. Despite a video showing a boxer fending off four attackers.

Despite the fact that boxing focuses heavily on sparring and how to react when getting hit, how to defend yourself from getting hit and how to effective punch, move, dodge, bob, weave. How they train their stamina, so they can last 12 rounds if need be, won't have an advantage over some average guy who hasn't trained in any form of combat sport?

Yeah, I think I made my point.

Everyone in this thread that said it depends on the martial art either hasn't been in a martial art, is doing it wrong, or has not fought.

It depends on the individual. Do they have the intent to use the martial art? I'm positive that many people can get a black belt by never sparring for real. There are many different types of martial artists, and sure, a lot of them have turned into sport. But no matter what you know, you need the resolve to use those things in real situations.

How can you even judge the effectiveness of martial arts in general on 1 case? There are countless other things to hear, from a mere TKD punch saving someone, to a young boxer dealing with a school bully.

Another thing...of course boxers have the advantage over the regular guy in a street fight. The difference in experiencing combat, sport or street, will put them in a better position than someone who has never had a punch thrown at them. Reflexes and conditioning bro. The only bad part is being conditioned to wearing gloves really. That could be a problem.

Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Exactly, street fights are no rules. Boxing has rules. People who train to box will be used to those rules. If you honestly believe boxing will save you in a street fight, you're just a little confused.Nibroc420

Street fights are not like boxing, where each hit is a point, and remember, there are no rules or bells in a street fight. Knowing how to throw a punch is all you could possibly gain from boxing.

You have no clue what boxing can teach you.

Everyone in this thread that said it depends on the martial art either hasn't been in a martial art, is doing it wrong, or has not fought.

It depends on the individual. Do they have the intent to use the martial art? I'm positive that many people can get a black belt by never sparring for real. There are many different types of martial artists, and sure, a lot of them have turned into sport. But no matter what you know, you need the resolve to use those things in real situations.

How can you even judge the effectiveness of martial arts in general on 1 case? There are countless other things to hear, from a mere TKD punch saving someone, to a young boxer dealing with a school bully.

Another thing...of course boxers have the advantage over the regular guy in a street fight. The difference in experiencing combat, sport or street, will put them in a better position than someone who has never had a punch thrown at them. Reflexes and conditioning bro. The only bad part is being conditioned to wearing gloves really. That could be a problem.

spiritwave

I don't do TKD, but my art has many kicks, most of the "real" ones and not sport based are below the belt to vital points in the legs or in the crotch. Those are all very effective since a person needs to be trained to avoid taking damage by those.

No, when you're in jeans, not strecthed out, and on the street, your roundhouse to the face is not going to work well.

I don't do TKD, but my art has many kicks, most of the "real" ones and not sport based are below the belt to vital points in the legs or in the crotch. Those are all very effective since a person needs to be trained to avoid taking damage by those.

No, when you're in jeans, not strecthed out, and on the street, your roundhouse to the face is not going to work well.

spiritwave

Well, most street fights go to the ground. Therefore jiu jitsu/judo/wrestling would be pretty beneficial along with some boxing if it stays stand up.

Once you master the testicle shots.. all training.. all weight lifting.. goes down the drain as you tumble to the ground crying.

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] Being a bouncer. Boxing is a great martial art, it does not teach you how to street fight.Nibroc420

You don't necessarily learn how to "streetfight". There's no specific art or style for streetfighting. In the street, there are no rules, and whatever "art" you know; whether you know a specific art, a combination of arts, or you know nothing, more or less boils down to a streetfight. No holds barred. Boxing is considered a martial art,; an art of war so it's not just sport. Ergo, if applied with confidence and efficiency, can prove to be lethal in a streetfight.

Yeah, because boxers can only fight if there is a referee around :roll:

Boxing helps with a myriad of things. Yes, there is a difference from a boxing match to a street fight, but everything you learn can only help, and if you are squaring off against someone with no fighting/mma background you'll have a much better chance than if you didn't know how to box.

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

LostProphetFLCL

Kimbo was fighting people his size or bigger with better skills in the ufc. The average man with no training never stood a chance with kimbo in the streets.

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Really, it all depends on the martial art.

Quite frankly, as a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do I didn't find it terribly useful in real-world fights. It is just too kick based and kicks aren't that practical.

There were SOME useful things in it like the actual self-defense portions which would teach us how to get out of holds and some throws, one of which as a kid allowed me to stumble a giant 40+ year old man.

I think Kimbo Slice proves though that size only matter to a certain point. Once he was up against people who actually knew a thing about fighting he got demolished despite his huge size...

noscope-ak47

Kimbo was fighting people his size or bigger with better skills in the ufc. The average man with no training never stood a chance with kimbo in the streets.

Kimbo got knocked out by someone WAYsmaller than him in the UFC....

[QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

BranKetra

I spar weekly, but it is not the point fighting based kind. It is more like a brawl form of sparring.

And for the guy that mentioned Street Fighter...Makoto all day every day.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

I spar weekly, but it is not the point fighting based kind. It is more like a brawl form of sparring.

And for the guy that mentioned Street Fighter...Makoto all day every day.

Example.

BluRayHiDef

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

In order to get to the ground, you must go through stand up. I'm fairly sure a majority of randoms on the street are not highly skilled in mma. And even if they are decent, odds are they are not UFC level. It doesn't take knowledge of Muay Thai to know that a knee to the face against someone not proficient in take downs will end a fight before it goes to the dirt.

BranK-That's a nice variety. Do you ever watch K1 kickboxing? Just curious. And what posts do you mean, mine?

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

spiritwave

Seriously?

A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.

Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.

Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.

In order to get to the ground, you must go through stand up. I'm fairly sure a majority of randoms on the street are not highly skilled in mma. And even if they are decent, odds are they are not UFC level. It doesn't take knowledge of Muay Thai to know that a knee to the face against someone not proficient in take downs will end a fight before it goes to the dirt.

BranK-That's a nice variety. Do you ever watch K1 kickboxing? Just curious. And what posts do you mean, mine?

spiritwave

no Becuase in any real fight its whom ever hits the hardest and lands those hits that wins, In a real street fight between 2 people that are actually fighting *the example given in the 1st or 2nd reply is a wuss vs a guy whom has martial arts training* there is no timid testing, no dancing around you go at it, there is a reason 95% of UFC fights turn into grapple matches on the ground because real fighting is never clean.

[QUOTE="spiritwave"]

Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?

In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.

2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.

Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...

Optical_Order

Seriously?

A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.

Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.

Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.

And the whole point of my original post is that martial arts knowledge helps. I can't see how anyone with actual knowledge and experience could think otherwise.

Not if you are fighting Kimbo Slice. senses_fail_06

What do you think of Tae Kwon Do?Victorious_Fize