You shouldn't blame the art you were practicing at the time. It depends on the person. It could have been your body type, speed, tactics, etc. there are different ways to fight off different attackers. Saying you are a blackbelt in TKD, only means you have been practicing for a long time. when someone decides to tackle you, you have a number of choices. I would have waited for him to make a move first, and side kicked him int eh head or chest.. or throat but that would kill him. lol. Also, if he simply caught u off guard while u did a spinning jump roundhouse kick, you could have kept him occupied with a few lighter kicks, then combo into that jumping roundhouse. otherwise, you have not trained to be fast enough.Im a black belt in tae kwon do, and ive lost every fight ive ever been in. One time, i tried to do a jump spinning roundhouse kick in a fight. the guy just tackled me as soon as he could dodge it. Most of the time, the opponent doesnt wait for you to do your fancy kicks and moves. he just rushes you and tackles you. so unless you are a wrestler, know krav maga (because, as one user said its VERY effective) or your into mma/ufc, your not gonna stand a chance in a real street fight. for the most part anyway
Neo-ganon
Are martial arts effective in street fights ?
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Okay, since when do most street fights go to the ground?
In a real, quick paced fight, it is usually the person who gets the first good combo and follow up that wins. This is espcecially true for those who are less experienced at fighting and cannot regain their composure.
2. Most traditional martial arts I know of train in stances that properly defend against being hit directly in the groin. Not that a real martial artist should be attacking you on the street...if so, then they learned nothing I suppose.
Shots to the groin don't always work. Not only have I been hit there a few times in a fight and continued fighting, but I know people who wear cups to bars just waiting for a fight...
spiritwave
Seriously?
A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.
Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.
Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.
Yea, and guesss what happens to the guy laying down getting pounded...he loses. In fact, he already lost just because he's on the pavement. Of course groin shots work. I stated they don't all the time because people with the intent to do something to you may come prepared. Maybe you shouldn't assume they are my "stupid buddies," but rather what I've seen from experience. I don't see how "no one cares" can even fit into this convo if you cannot even mention a real life experience other than watching youtube. So please, stop trying to belittle my opinion, thank you. I've been stabbed by random accessories in real fights. If I went down, I'm sure ground game wouldn't have helped me.And the whole point of my original post is that martial arts knowledge helps. I can't see how anyone with actual knowledge and experience could think otherwise.
I can assure you a ground game helps in a street fight. If they take you down (and somebody being taken down isn't as unlikely as you seem to think) and you know how to control their head and work out of the guard, then you can win a fight from the ground. Seriously, try punching somebody out of their guard when they're controlling your head and see how effective your blows are. Once they have head control, anybody with BJJ training should be able to transition to the Omoplata, a Kimura lock, an arm-bar, a Triangle Choke, etc. Me and the guys at my gym have done this to many a "MMA fighter" who thought they could tackle us and ground-and-pound, just to realize that they have no answer to a BJJ practitioner's ground game.
[QUOTE="spiritwave"]Yea, and guesss what happens to the guy laying down getting pounded...he loses. In fact, he already lost just because he's on the pavement. Of course groin shots work. I stated they don't all the time because people with the intent to do something to you may come prepared. Maybe you shouldn't assume they are my "stupid buddies," but rather what I've seen from experience. I don't see how "no one cares" can even fit into this convo if you cannot even mention a real life experience other than watching youtube. So please, stop trying to belittle my opinion, thank you. I've been stabbed by random accessories in real fights. If I went down, I'm sure ground game wouldn't have helped me.[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]
Seriously?
A random street fight usually ends up with some guy on the ground getting his ass pounded by the guy laying on his chest. Talk to anyone or do a simple google search if you don't believe me.
Yes, they obviously start standing, but that usually doesn't last long.
Groin shots work. No one cares about your stupid buddies who live to fight at bars.
GamerForca
And the whole point of my original post is that martial arts knowledge helps. I can't see how anyone with actual knowledge and experience could think otherwise.
I can assure you a ground game helps in a street fight. If they take you down (and somebody being taken down isn't as unlikely as you seem to think) and you know how to control their head and work out of the guard, then you can win a fight from the ground. Seriously, try punching somebody out of their guard when they're controlling your head and see how effective your blows are. Once they have head control, anybody with BJJ training should be able to transition to the Omoplata, a Kimura lock, an arm-bar, a Triangle Choke, etc. Me and the guys at my gym have done this to many a "MMA fighter" who thought they could tackle us and ground-and-pound, just to realize that they have no answer to a BJJ practitioner's ground game. I agree that it helps, and no, I don't think it doesn't happen or something. What I don't buy into is just the new common knowledge of 90 something percent of fights going to the ground. You can count so much in there, from being knocked out, to tripping, all of which are preventable. I especially believe it in a fight between 2 people with no martial arts knowledge. They don't even punch correctly, it's just a bunch of random flailing. Adding to that, I highly doubt they know any ground game themselves. But if you do, you can bait them into going to the ground for all I care, because that will help a lot. In real life, I have never seen a fight go to the ground unless it was already over. On youtube, sure, a few. And typically in those, 1 guy has actual knowledge and wins the fight. And that person typically isn't the one that initiated the fight.I think boxing is a great form for self defense. Not saying it's THE est but it is most definitley useful and simple to learn. It teaches you correct form, stamina, movement, and how to put your body into a shot. You put your body into a jab that connects to some average joe's face, it'll make him think twice about continuing.
Martial Arts are great for teaching you how to control your body and focus your attack in situations where most people "panic" and just throw themselves at their adversary.
Of course life isn't a JCVD movie and simply knowing martial arts doesn't make you invincible, and you're not going to use roundhouse kicks and other "fancy" moves outside of a dojo or ring right?
If I were to learn some form of unarmed combat I would go for boxing or thai boxing as those focus on simple yet effective attacks like punching, kicking, elbowing, and kneeing.
Of course you don't need to take classes to know how to perform those moves efficiently, but it sure helps to have people to practice with.
Me I thought about picking up boxing for fun but there are no gyms around here that offer boxing classes so I practice at home with a makeshift punching bag. But obviously it's best not to get into fights of any kind because today every punk is carrying a weapon of some sort and while you're busy fighting some schmuck his buddy creeps up on you and puts a knife through your kidney. :/
Several of the students that I trained with have been jailed because of applying it. Yes it works, the stories were very tasteful. Yet I live in a country where guns are not commonplace.
Worked for this guy
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