Are People Born G@Y?

Probably peer pressure, or sexual frustration.NiKva

Do people choose to be straight?scorch-62

exactly!

People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.killab2oo5

People turn gay out of peer preasure? really? I'm dumbfoundedtoast_burner

People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.killab2oo5

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]hmmm I chose other reasoning. I believe we are not digging deep enough to answer the question. When you say that you are born gay well I view it as the same as being born with a corrupt human nature, where being gay is just one way of many many ways the corrupt human nature erupts from us. Everyone has a corrupt human nature including me and some are more prone to give in to certain aspects of their corrupt human nature while other people give in to other aspects of their corrupt human nature. So some people have a tendency to have relations with other men while others do not. As for it being a choice, well, everyone has the choice not to give in to a corrupt human nature, people with a temptation to lie or cheat has the choice to repress those things and not do them, just as a person who has a tendency to be gay can repress it and not give in to a corrupt human nature. That's how I tackle the debate of homosexuality.GameGuy642003

Brilliant!

Ya well my argument is not perfect obviously. Well, the reason why I compare gay sex to lying and cheating is because I view these actions under the same umbrella that is a corrupt human nature, i put them in the same catagory if you will.

So not only is it a ****y analogy its also an offensive one. Gotcha.

[QUOTE="NiKva"]Probably peer pressure, or sexual frustration.toast_burner

People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.killab2oo5

Stuff like this always makes me think of a Gandhi quote, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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[QUOTE="NiKva"]Probably peer pressure, or sexual frustration.NiKva

[QUOTE="NiKva"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]People turn gay out of peer preasure? really? I'm dumbfounded

toast_burner

Edit: Since nobody has posted, guess I'll just continue this post.

You can be peer pressured into being gay by having enough people bullying you and claiming that you are. If the person isn't the kind of person who fights back, then they might just start agreeing with whoever is bullying them and choose to be gay Not really a great example, but I'm just saying.

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[QUOTE="NiKva"] I'd write what I think, but knowing that you're gay or bi, you'd probably take it offensively.

NiKva

Also sexual frustration wouldn't cause you to be gay being gay would cause sexual frustration.

There isn't any conclusive evidnece to suggest people are born gay nor is there really any evidence to suggest that it's purely a choice behavior. Basically no one knows and someone trying to suggest they do isn't reliable, sure you can link or quote a bunch of BS studies done but we all know those were biased or funded by biased groups, so those lack crediblity. All I can say is that from the gay people I know and talked to, they seem to give varied answers. I know some who say they think they were born gay and others who say they became gay later, I know a lesbian women who is like this. After her husband left her she became gay and she told me it was her choice and that she sort changed, I don't really understand it too well but I get her point nonetheless.

Conversely I know a guy who is gay and he says he was born that way, but the odd thing is that he has an identicle twin who isn't gay at all. So I don't know, if it was genetic then his twin brother would be gay aswell, but he isn't. And of course you have the people who go to prison and we all know what happens in there, it certainly changes people. Then there is the whole evolution argument that you have to consider, there can't really be a gay gene" because in terms of evolution it just wouldn't make sense and there is no way it could have survived over the course of human development.

Basically all I'm saying is that there is no clear answer, I think it might be a product of development or nurture/growing up. Not so much an individual choice per se, but again no one really knows. One thing I do know though is that people should leave gay people alone, stop harrassing them stop being bigots. If they arn't bothering you than why do you care? I have no issue with gay people aslong as they don't hit on me or anything like that, and this is coming from a (somewhat) religious person. That being said, I do know some gay people who do try and push their lifestyle/views on others, if you want people to tolerate you than it needs to go both ways. They leave you alone and you leave them alone. Not that hard but some people have a problem with this.

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[QUOTE="NiKva"] I'd write what I think, but knowing that you're gay or bi, you'd probably take it offensively.

NiKva

Edit: Since nobody has posted, guess I'll just continue this post.

You can be peer pressured into being gay by having enough people bullying you and claiming that you are. If the person isn't the kind of person who fights back, then they might just start agreeing with whoever is bullying them and choose to be gay Not really a great example, but I'm just saying.

Peer pressure has the same effect on someone's sexuality as it does on their hair color.

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hmmm I chose other reasoning. I believe we are not digging deep enough to answer the question. When you say that you are born gay well I view it as the same as being born with a corrupt human nature, where being gay is just one way of many many ways the corrupt human nature erupts from us. Everyone has a corrupt human nature including me and some are more prone to give in to certain aspects of their corrupt human nature while other people give in to other aspects of their corrupt human nature. So some people have a tendency to have relations with other men while others do not. As for it being a choice, well, everyone has the choice not to give in to a corrupt human nature, people with a temptation to lie or cheat has the choice to repress those things and not do them, just as a person who has a tendency to be gay can repress it and not give in to a corrupt human nature. That's how I tackle the debate of homosexuality.GameGuy642003

Brilliant!

Ya well my argument is not perfect obviously. Well, the reason why I compare gay sex to lying and cheating is because I view these actions under the same umbrella that is a corrupt human nature, i put them in the same catagory if you will.

People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.killab2oo5

Please be less obvious. Anyway, everyone in GUFU knows you're a transgender woman from Trinidad.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]By comparing gay sex to lying and cheating?

Brilliant!

Ya well my argument is not perfect obviously. Well, the reason why I compare gay sex to lying and cheating is because I view these actions under the same umbrella that is a corrupt human nature, i put them in the same catagory if you will.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.Jazz_Fan

People who are gay need to repent for their sins. It's a choice just like choosing to murder or rob someone, which are also sins. May God have mercy on the homosexuals.killab2oo5

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

Ya well my argument is not perfect obviously. Well, the reason why I compare gay sex to lying and cheating is because I view these actions under the same umbrella that is a corrupt human nature, i put them in the same catagory if you will.

GameGuy642003

It's a natural occurrence in mammals as evident of many other homosexual animals such as whales and elephants.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Uh huh... and when did you decide that an action which harms no one (being gay is a facet of corrupt human nature? Wait.. lemme guess... Jesus told you! :roll:Frame_Dragger

I'm not catholic, my views are Christ centered I don't view them as different branches of Christianity. But anyways, I admit I did leave out the religious views by trying to explain in a reiligous way without bringing religous theology into it, for that I am ashamed. A mistake on my part. I shouldnt beat around the bush to try to get understanding, my posts have not reflected my beliefs to well and I regret that.

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I guess what I said would seem offensive to some, but to be honest I never meant to be offensive in any way. There are many holes in my argument and for me to fill them I need to involve God and theology in my answer, but I just don't have the time to do so. GameGuy642003

I'm not catholic, my views are Christ centered I don't view them as different branches of Christianity. But anyways, I admit I did leave out the religious views by trying to explain in a reiligous way without bringing religous theology into it, for that I am ashamed. A mistake on my part. I shouldnt beat around the bush to try to get understanding, my posts have not reflected my beliefs to well and I regret that.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] I'm not offended, it just seems like a specious argument. You're essentially delivering what sounds like largely Catholic dogma, but presenting it without the full religious treatment. You're entitled to your views and religion, but it seems disingenous to present them as something other than that: religious views.

I'm not catholic, my views are Christ centered I don't view them as different branches of Christianity. But anyways, I admit I did leave out the religious views by trying to explain in a reiligous way without bringing religous theology into it, for that I am ashamed. A mistake on my part. I shouldnt beat around the bush to try to get understanding, my posts have not reflected my beliefs to well and I regret that.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

I'm not catholic, my views are Christ centered I don't view them as different branches of Christianity. But anyways, I admit I did leave out the religious views by trying to explain in a reiligous way without bringing religous theology into it, for that I am ashamed. A mistake on my part. I shouldnt beat around the bush to try to get understanding, my posts have not reflected my beliefs to well and I regret that.

GameGuy642003

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Well, I disagree with your views, but I don't see that there's a reason for you to feel shame. I doubt we'll agree on much regarding this, but for an example of how to honestly and completely share your views on religion I'd look to Mindstorm.Frame_Dragger

haha I agree, I feel shame for reasons of my own. But yes Mindstorm has a great understanding of Christianity, what he says is right on, I'm sure he can explain some things better than I can.GameGuy642003

Do people choose to be straight?scorch-62

Well my textbook over human sexuality said that 52% of identical twin males and 48% of identical twin females were both gay This study however isn't taking in the possible outside influence of sharing similar experiences throughout the lifetime. I thought those numbers were pretty high however...

At this point there isn't a proven study for homosexuality so it's basically thought to be a culmination of both environment and genetics. That's my stance on it.

[QUOTE="starfox15"] Well my textbook over human sexuality said that 52% of identical twin males and 48% of identical twin females were both gay This study however isn't taking in the possible outside influence of sharing similar experiences throughout the lifetime. I thought those numbers were pretty high however... At this point there isn't a proven study for homosexuality so it's basically thought to be a culmination of both environment and genetics. That's my stance on it. thegerg

For some reason I don't believe that over 1/2 of identical male twins are gay I've just never heard that there is such a strong correlation between being an identical twin and being gay That's a hell of a statistic. Can you share which textbook says that?

EDIT- Why won't GS let me use punctuation in that damn post?

Sexuality Now: Embracing Diversity by Janell Carroll. In the chapter about homosexuality she cites that statistic. This was also elaborated upon within the class lecture by my professor.

How the hell can someonebe born gay To my knowledge there isnt a gay gene", and children dont have sexual orientations. Being "born" gay just makes no sense.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] Wiat. A textbook said that 52% of male twins both are gay?

For some reason I don't believe that over 1/2 of identical male twins are gay I've just never heard that there is such a strong correlation between being an identical twin and being gay That's a hell of a statistic. Can you share which textbook says that?

EDIT- Why won't GS let me use punctuation in that damn post?

thegerg

Sexuality Now: Embracing Diversity by Janell Carroll. In the chapter about homosexuality she cites that statistic. This was also elaborated upon within the class lecture by my professor.

What you posted earlier (52% of identical twin males and 48% of identical twin females were both gay is incorrect, that would mean that about 50% of identical twins are gay

I mispoke. I meant to say that when one pair of identical twin males is gay about 50% of the cases the other will be as well. You're correct. I should have worded that better.

How the hell can someonebe born gay To my knowledge there isnt a gay gene", and children dont have sexual orientations. Being "born" gay just makes no sense.

Thessassin

I liked the trolls under the old TOU better.

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How the hell can someonebe born gay To my knowledge there isnt a gay gene", and children dont have sexual orientations. Being "born" gay just makes no sense.

Frame_Dragger

so the gay gene has finally been discovered to put this argument to rest? You can tell if a child will grow up to be gay by looking at their genes now? Throwing an insult at me without answering my question or showing any evidence in support of the gay gene just makes you look like an idiot.

I liked the trolls under the old TOU better.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

I liked the trolls under the old TOU better.

chessmaster1989

I liked the trolls under the old TOU better.

DroidPhysX

A. They're mostly the same trolls.

B. You liked Snipes and Hopeless better?

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I liked the trolls under the old TOU better.

chessmaster1989