Are People Born G@Y?

No. It's more complicated than that, since they aren't doing something that would make babies. Since as far as I know, there isn't any conclusive data on the subject (genetics and possibly psychology), it's still up in the air.

BranKetra

I don't think it is. I think people are born to be attracted to one sex or the other.

It's clearly a choice. Men turn gay to find happiness, if he is with another dude and they become closer and closer, Then they kinda have every right to be happy.

It's like you're asking are People born criminals? It's a choice. It's common sense.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] OP was asking a question, not making a claim.BranKetra

edit: I could have just said, "As far as you know" isn't very far, but it's that pity thing kicking in. @Fize: Meanwhile, you think that a 50+ year old man having sex with a 9 year old IS natural, so maybe you're not such a great source on matters of sexuality.

It's clearly a choice. Men turn gay to find happiness, if he is with another dude and they become closer and closer, Then they kinda have every right to be happy.

It's like you're asking are People born criminals? It's a choice. It's common sense.

RKO510

Are you serious?

It's clearly a choice. Men turn gay to find happiness, if he is with another dude and they become closer and closer, Then they kinda have every right to be happy.

It's like you're asking are People born criminals? It's a choice. It's common sense.

RKO510

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]I was giving him an answer. If there's no science behind it, it's just posturing. Not to say that it isn't true. This sort of things needs scientific proof for a conclusion.

Frame_Dragger

edit: I could have just said, "As far as you know" isn't very far, but it's that pity thing kicking in. @Fize: Meanwhile, you think that a 50+ year old man having sex with a 9 year old IS natural, so maybe you're not such a great source on matters of sexuality.

No offense Bran, but listening to you expound on anything remotely touching the sciences is a bit like watching a squirrel try to understand Bra-Ket notation. It's a mixture of pity, irritation, and bafflement as to just what the f*ck is up. That you continually go back to the well of science to justify yourself is nothing short of hilarious. So... sack up man, and either prove the negative you've asserted, that no evidence exists, or try another tack.Frame_Dragger

What the hell are you talking about? You want me to show the proof that isn't there?

Look, I've talked to you before. A couple times about mere thoughts I felt like discussing. Apparently, that equals incompetence to you, which is ridiculous. When in reality, discussing something you don't know much about to learn about it is much better than not doing anywhere. I also noticed you also have a stalker-like behavior with users here, which I noticed began creeping me after I pointed out that you were essentially telling people that your thoughts weren't wrong and there was no point in discussing it. i.e. A blog, but in a thread. So, while you can try some ridiculous approach like you are now, it's not going anywhere with me.

It's clearly a choice. Men turn gay to find happiness, if he is with another dude and they become closer and closer, Then they kinda have every right to be happy.

It's like you're asking are People born criminals? It's a choice. It's common sense.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] No offense Bran, but listening to you expound on anything remotely touching the sciences is a bit like watching a squirrel try to understand Bra-Ket notation. It's a mixture of pity, irritation, and bafflement as to just what the f*ck is up. That you continually go back to the well of science to justify yourself is nothing short of hilarious. So... sack up man, and either prove the negative you've asserted, that no evidence exists, or try another tack.BranKetra

People arent born gay It's a choice.

People arent born gay It's a choice.

ristactionjakso

I would call you a class act, but my computer might explode.BranKetra

edit: I could have just said, "As far as you know" isn't very far, but it's that pity thing kicking in. @Fize: Meanwhile, you think that a 50+ year old man having sex with a 9 year old IS natural, so maybe you're not such a great source on matters of sexuality.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

No. It's more complicated than that, since they aren't doing something that would make babies. Since as far as I know, there isn't any conclusive data on the subject (genetics and possibly psychology), it's still up in the air.

airshocker

I don't think it is. I think people are born to be attracted to one sex or the other.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] No offense Bran, but listening to you expound on anything remotely touching the sciences is a bit like watching a squirrel try to understand Bra-Ket notation. It's a mixture of pity, irritation, and bafflement as to just what the f*ck is up. That you continually go back to the well of science to justify yourself is nothing short of hilarious. So... sack up man, and either prove the negative you've asserted, that no evidence exists, or try another tack. >P>

edit: I could have just said, "As far as you know" isn't very far, but it's that pity thing kicking in. @Fize: Meanwhile, you think that a 50+ year old man having sex with a 9 year old IS natural, so maybe you're not such a great source on matters of sexuality.

Frame_Dragger

I don't know, but some people are born with extra toes.

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

People arent born gay It's a choice.

DroidPhysX

Hypothetically, let's say some people aren't born gay To me, I still don't think that it's a "choice" in the conventional sense. That is, it's not like people wake up one day and say to themselves, "Hey, I think I'm going to be gay It wouldn't be a conscious decision. It would be an effect of (maybe) a bunch of things that happen during their lifetime (particularly their younger formative years I'd think) and how they perceive those things.

As I said in my first post, I think it's nature and in some instances maybenurture.

Frame_Dragger

It's funny how the same people saying being gay is genetic also deny the existence of the Gay Gene.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

People arent born gay It's a choice.

ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

People arent born gay It's a choice.

ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]BranKetra

The genetic approach is interesting but missing enough to make it go from a "maybe" to a "yes". A control/experimental group using environmental factors would take 20-30 years and would cross drastic ethical and privacy lines, along with problems doing it across diverse demographics. I'd have to go however with homosexuals having being in the "choice" group like heterosexuals. It is the bisexuals that cannot choose.CreasianDevaili

Genetics to a extent perhaps, though I feel a lot of it has to do with the environment you are raised in and the early stages of life. Not homosexual and have a beautiful chica to boot, though I would say (and perhaps even she) that being raised predominantly by my mother made me a more sensitive person. I still had enough Sicilian dad near me to get my tougher manly genes, haha, though I was raised in a house just with my mother. I could see this having an effect, especially if the person were 50/50 to start with.

The genetic approach is interesting but missing enough to make it go from a "maybe" to a "yes". A control/experimental group using environmental factors would take 20-30 years and would cross drastic ethical and privacy lines, along with problems doing it across diverse demographics. I'd have to go however with homosexuals having being in the "choice" group like heterosexuals. It is the bisexuals that cannot choose.CreasianDevaili

It could be a variation of gene expression, or it could be the variations of alleles, or influenced by multiple genes, or it could be some effects on different development in the prenatal stage, or it could be developed subconsciously during early childhood. Whatever it is though, it's likely not a conscious choice, and even if it is, at this day and age, we should be able to make choices and be respected, provided that choice doesn't harm any others directly.

I don't really understand why are people so interested in the "are you born gay or is it a choice" arguement, as if, if it's not genetic, then gay people should not be respected. That's shouldn't be the way of thinking.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]The genetic approach is interesting but missing enough to make it go from a "maybe" to a "yes". A control/experimental group using environmental factors would take 20-30 years and would cross drastic ethical and privacy lines, along with problems doing it across diverse demographics. I'd have to go however with homosexuals having being in the "choice" group like heterosexuals. It is the bisexuals that cannot choose.thegerg

10% of the population is born gay.

it was that way since the dawn of time and it will be that way until the last human dies out.

It could be a variation of gene expression, or it could be the variations of alleles, or influenced by multiple genes, or it could be some effects on different development in the prenatal stage, or it could be developed subconsciously during early childhood. Whatever it is though, it's likely not a conscious choice, and even if it is, at this day and age, we should be able to make choices and be respected, provided that choice doesn't harm any others directly.

I don't really understand why are people so interested in the "are you born gay or is it a choice" arguement, as if, if it's not genetic, then gay people should not be respected. That's shouldn't be the way of thinking.

Ncsoftlover

I am homosexual, I don't know any better than always have been this way. I think I'm able to live together with a woman, I could even physically have sex with her (although I seriously don't want to).... But I'm not attracted to girls, not in a sexual way and not in an emotional way. They just don't give me butterflies. I didn't ask for that, high school was hell since I always tried to hide my homosexuality, it wasn't fun and I didn't like to be that way. But now I'm out of the closet and I'm happy with myself, I don't hide myself. For no one. I don't know what's the cause my homosexuality but it actually doesn't matter at all.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You start by saying there isn't enough evidence for you to say "yes" as to whether or not one is born that way. I'm curious about why you feel comfortable, then, saying "yes" to whether or not it's a choice.thegerg

I like to believe that they have gayness thrust upon them. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]

Most species aren't even self aware. They run on instincts and live to reproduce. Most are attracted to the opposite gender based on scents and sounds. I would assume any homosexual animal is just very misguided. Give me some examples anyways, because I had no idea it was rampant as you say.tenaka2

sex isnt just for reproduction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in non-human species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals. A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

So the whole "it's natural because it occurs in nature" argument seems pretty flawed.

I am homosexual, I don't know any better than always have been this way. I think I'm able to live together with a woman, I could even physically have sex with her (although I seriously don't want to).... But I'm not attracted to girls, not in a sexual way and not in an emotional way. They just don't give me butterflies. I didn't ask for that, high school was hell since I always tried to hide my homosexuality, it wasn't fun and I didn't like to be that way. But now I'm out of the closet and I'm happy with myself, I don't hide myself. For no one. I don't know what's the cause my homosexuality but it actually doesn't matter at all.

TheFlush

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]

Most species aren't even self aware. They run on instincts and live to reproduce. Most are attracted to the opposite gender based on scents and sounds. I would assume any homosexual animal is just very misguided. Give me some examples anyways, because I had no idea it was rampant as you say.

sex isnt just for reproduction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in non-human species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals. A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

I am homosexual, I don't know any better than always have been this way. I think I'm able to live together with a woman, I could even physically have sex with her (although I seriously don't want to).... But I'm not attracted to girls, not in a sexual way and not in an emotional way. They just don't give me butterflies. I didn't ask for that, high school was hell since I always tried to hide my homosexuality, it wasn't fun and I didn't like to be that way. But now I'm out of the closet and I'm happy with myself, I don't hide myself. For no one. I don't know what's the cause my homosexuality but it actually doesn't matter at all.

BranKetra

That I agree with you, but what I'm trying to say.... even if it were a personal choice, would it matter?! If someone chooses to be gay does that make them any less of a human?! I think it doesn't matter, even it were a choice (which I personally don't believe), it's perfectly fine, if they are happy the way they are, that's all that matters.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="TheFlush"]

I am homosexual, I don't know any better than always have been this way. I think I'm able to live together with a woman, I could even physically have sex with her (although I seriously don't want to).... But I'm not attracted to girls, not in a sexual way and not in an emotional way. They just don't give me butterflies. I didn't ask for that, high school was hell since I always tried to hide my homosexuality, it wasn't fun and I didn't like to be that way. But now I'm out of the closet and I'm happy with myself, I don't hide myself. For no one. I don't know what's the cause my homosexuality but it actually doesn't matter at all.

TheFlush

That I agree with you, but what I'm trying to say.... even if it were a personal choice, would it matter?! If someone chooses to be gay does that make them any less of a human?! I think it doesn't matter, even it were a choice (which I personally don't believe), it's perfectly fine, if they are happy the way they are, that's all that matters.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Depends on who you ask. Personally, I like understanding the human body. Both how and why it works the way it does. BranKetra

That I agree with you, but what I'm trying to say.... even if it were a personal choice, would it matter?! If someone chooses to be gay does that make them any less of a human?! I think it doesn't matter, even it were a choice (which I personally don't believe), it's perfectly fine, if they are happy the way they are, that's all that matters.

Never seen the science behind the claim.BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Never seen the science behind the claim.Teenaged

Of f*cking course... it's like asking if someone is born straight.

Frame_Dragger

Except for those bisexuals... They're just weirdos.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Never seen the science behind the claim.Diophage

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Never seen the science behind the claim.Diophage