pro gun, i believe in the constitution. numerous studies have shown that increases in concealed pistol licenses lead to a decrease in crime. it's illegal to own a gun in washington DC and they have one of the worst crime rates in the nation. it doesn't work. a criminal isn't going to legally own a gun.
im for it. taking guns away or even controlling it wont help reduce crime, a lot of criminals who use guns dont even get them legally.Xeros606
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I'd rather everyone have guns then some lady get raped and be killed because Massachusettes doesn't allow guns.
[QUOTE="Xeros606"]im for it. taking guns away or even controlling it wont help reduce crime, a lot of criminals who use guns dont even get them legally.Spicy-McHaggis
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I'd rather everyone have guns then some lady get raped and be killed because Massachusettes doesn't allow guns. if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime.
pro gun, i believe in the constitution. numerous studies have shown that increases in concealed pistol licenses lead to a decrease in crime. it's illegal to own a gun in washington DC and they have one of the worst crime rates in the nation. it doesn't work. a criminal isn't going to legally own a gun.shoeman12
It's now legal to own a gun in Washington DC, but you're right
[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="Xeros606"]im for it. taking guns away or even controlling it wont help reduce crime, a lot of criminals who use guns dont even get them legally.shoeman12
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I'd rather everyone have guns then some lady get raped and be killed because Massachusettes doesn't allow guns. if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime. that's not true
[QUOTE="shoeman12"]pro gun, i believe in the constitution. numerous studies have shown that increases in concealed pistol licenses lead to a decrease in crime. it's illegal to own a gun in washington DC and they have one of the worst crime rates in the nation. it doesn't work. a criminal isn't going to legally own a gun.DivergeUnify
It's now legal to own a gun in Washington DC, actually i know, i guess i should have clarified that i was talking about when they were illegal. i haven't seen statistics since but my point is that gun control didn't work for them when it was implemented.
I don't really cre, guns haven't affected me in any way whatsoever.MGSFan92
Guns allowed our forefathers to fight for this country and to secure our freedoms. Guns allowed our grandfathers to destroy evil dictators who were committing mass genocide. Guns allowed our fathers to stop ethnic warfare in the Balkans and Africa. Guns allow us to live a life of freedom, free from the clutches of an overly tyranical executives. Guns are AMERICA!
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] It's now legal to own a gun in Washington DC, but you're rightVandalvideo
It was always legal to own a gun, you just had to have it dismantled in your house. That was declared UNCON a year ago. Well then it is now legal to have it assembled, correct?
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I'd rather everyone have guns then some lady get raped and be killed because Massachusettes doesn't allow guns. if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime. that's not true would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]pro gun, i believe in the constitution. numerous studies have shown that increases in concealed pistol licenses lead to a decrease in crime. it's illegal to own a gun in washington DC and they have one of the worst crime rates in the nation. it doesn't work. a criminal isn't going to legally own a gun.shoeman12
It's now legal to own a gun in Washington DC, actually i know, i guess i should have clarified that i was talking about when they were illegal. i haven't seen statistics since but my point is that gun control didn't work for them when it was implemented. No, I recognize you were right, I'm just sayin'... :P
Also the worst crimes you hear about are in places where you are not allowed to have weapons, like VT shootings where he shot 45 people and killed 30 because no one had a weapon to stop him, and like 9/11 where no one had weapons to stop the hi-jackers.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime. that's not true would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane. And insane people do exist who would still commit crime
Anti. Even though it will benefit the majority, the minorty (who consist of idiots, crazy peoples, and people with bad tempers) will completely abuse it.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] that's not true DivergeUnify
would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane. And insane people do exist who would still commit crime Insanity is a minority. There will always be crime. Just less once everyone has pistols.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime.shoeman12
that's not true would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.You do realize there are quite a few loose cannons out there right? I find it hillarious that you think the way to deter crime is to give them guns.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] It's now legal to own a gun in Washington DC, but you're rightDivergeUnify
It was always legal to own a gun, you just had to have it dismantled in your house. That was declared UNCON a year ago. Well then it is now legal to have it assembled, correct?Handguns were completely banned unless if you owned one before the gun ban was passed. Even then, they had to be disassembled or locked.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] that's not true DivergeUnify
would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane. And insane people do exist who would still commit crime you're right. i probably should have said there would be very little crime. would you agree with that?
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] that's not true BumFluff122
would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.You do realize there are quite a few loose cannons out there right? I find it hillarious that you think the way to deter crime is to give them guns. You do realize how small that minority is, and how easily they'd be dealt with?
The gun business in America is circular logic. Civilians : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Crooks : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Police : " We need guns to depend ourselves from other people with guns" Everybody needs guns to protect themselves and it just goes around in circles. I'm against it mostly because, Besides Hunting rifles which has an extremely strict law-of-purchase on them, there's no other weapons able to be bought by civilians in Norway which I assume does affect my view on the matter, additionally the Police only get issued weaponry when there's confirmation of a person being armed with a firearm and that is very rare. Might be because the country is somewhat small but even so we have one of the lowest Crime rates in Europe.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] that's not true BumFluff122
would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.You do realize there are quite a few loose cannons out there right? I find it hillarious that you think the way to deter crime is to give them guns. how many loose cannons do you think there are? there can't possibly be enough that crime rates would go UP.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.Spicy-McHaggis
And insane people do exist who would still commit crime Insanity is a minority. There will always be crime. Just less once everyone has pistols. I think that perhaps robbery might go down. Murder might go up. Also, armed robbery might go up. These gun enthusiasts out in rural areas insist that their guns are the reason for the lower crime rates. They typically do not consider the rural setting as a control for comparison between rural and urban areas.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I'd rather everyone have guns then some lady get raped and be killed because Massachusettes doesn't allow guns.DivergeUnify
if every citizen was required to own a gun, there would be no crime. that's not true Look at the links I posted above. There was a city that reqired everyone to have guns, the crime rates were cut down by half. There was still crime but a lot less. In the UK, all guns were outlawed, and even police didn't carrie them, the crime rate doubled, and has gone down a little but is still way abouve any other modern western country.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.Spicy-McHaggis
You do realize there are quite a few loose cannons out there right? I find it hillarious that you think the way to deter crime is to give them guns. You do realize how small that minority is, and how easily they'd be dealt with?You do realize how many arguments, fights, bar brawls, etc there are in the US right? Hey why don't we just give them a gun that they can carry areound anywhere. Yeah that would make things quite a bit better. There is a reason why the US is seen as one of the most violent civilizations in the world and is cheifly due to their gun laws and their use of guns.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane.Spicy-McHaggis
And insane people do exist who would still commit crime Insanity is a minority. There will always be crime. Just less once everyone has pistols. All I was arguing is that crime wouldn' vanish.
I'm pro-gun. Trying to take away guns to prevent crime is like putting a band-aid over an infected cut--you cover the problem, but you don't fix it.
Spicy-McHaggis
I didn't realize that guns solve crime. Of course they do :) Why do you think police carry? Police drive cars, but I really don't think automobiles really contribute that much to the crime rate. British officers do not carry. Americans carry, and others carry. It's an arms race; enough of the population has guns that the police can't afford to not have them.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] would you rob somebody, knowing that they were carrying a gun? you'd have to be insane. And insane people do exist who would still commit crime you're right. i probably should have said there would be very little crime. would you agree with that? Yes
The gun business in America is circular logic. Civilians : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Crooks : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Police : " We need guns to depend ourselves from other people with guns" Everybody needs guns to protect themselves and it just goes around in circles. I'm against it mostly because, Besides Hunting rifles which has an extremely strict law-of-purchase on them, there's no other weapons able to be bought by civilians in Norway which I assume does affect my view on the matter, additionally the Police only get issued weaponry when there's confirmation of a person being armed with a firearm and that is very rare. Might be because the country is somewhat small but even so we have one of the lowest Crime rates in Europe.Treflis
Your country also doesn't have the cultural diversity as the United States either. Most crime isn't committed by depressed teenagers but by ethnic subgroups and impoverished Americans. It's our society that is the problem, and not guns. The sooner we fix our education system, homelessness, and poverty, the sooner we see results.
The gun business in America is circular logic. Civilians : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Crooks : "We need guns to depend ourselves from other people who have guns" Police : " We need guns to depend ourselves from other people with guns" Everybody needs guns to protect themselves and it just goes around in circles. I'm against it mostly because, Besides Hunting rifles which has an extremely strict law-of-purchase on them, there's no other weapons able to be bought by civilians in Norway which I assume does affect my view on the matter, additionally the Police only get issued weaponry when there's confirmation of a person being armed with a firearm and that is very rare. Might be because the country is somewhat small but even so we have one of the lowest Crime rates in Europe.Treflis
I'm glad your somewhat optimistic. The United States is much bigger than Europe, and has alot more scenarious because so.
im for it. taking guns away or even controlling it wont help reduce crime, a lot of criminals who use guns dont even get them legally.Xeros606
I understand fully the massive complications with disarming America and so i dont take sides cause i am not American and i would never have to deal with the after effects of it. But that is not a valid reason.. criminals will always get guns, yes. But in a country were guns are easily accessible they can be obtained alot easier legally or not.
Think of it this way.. in Ireland you would have to import guns. Meaning they would take longer to get in, also they would be difficult to obtain and the chances of them reaching the shores would be low. Now that coupled together means the price to obtain guns would be alot higher, so petty criminals wont get there hands on them and it will only be high class criminals getting them. Now in America guns can be found closely by robbing a gun supplier, or breaking into a house known to have guns or even buying them off an illegal dealer this means they will be cheap to obtain and inturn mean not only high class criminals getting there hands on them but petty criminals aswell.
[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] And insane people do exist who would still commit crimequiglythegreat
Insanity is a minority. There will always be crime. Just less once everyone has pistols. I think that perhaps robbery might go down. Murder might go up. Also, armed robbery might go up. These gun enthusiasts out in rural areas insist that their guns are the reason for the lower crime rates. They typically do not consider the rural setting as a control for comparison between rural and urban areas. Guns are the reason for lower crime rates. Switzerland has the highest rate of gun ownership, also has the worlds lowest crime, and gun crime rates. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm
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