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1. Self fulfilling prophesies should not be regarded as solid evidence for anything.

2. It's just a book written by humans, and it is not verified by outside sources. Which is a bit suspect.

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1. Self fulfilling prophesies should not be regarded as solid evidence for anything.

2. It's just a book written by humans, and it is not verified by outside sources. Which is a bit suspect.

 

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1. Really?, I dont understand how david blaine can predict what card someone will pick and thats "amazing". But when Jesus predicts the rise and fall of nations, this is regarded for nothing. Of course it counts. It is impossible for Jesus to have fulfilled all that was said (and on top of that predict the rise and fall of nations)  unless he was who he said he was, the Son of God.

2. Jesus said his words would never pass away, this means that he knew what was to be written would be his words, and that they would be correct, and would not pass away (duh). And I see no reason not to believe what he said because he was right about everything he said. Show me something he said wrong? Not to mention, if you take into account that Jesus is the Son of God, and the men who wrote the gospels had the holy spirit (as do all Christians) would God allow them to mess it up? what kind of God would that be? he comes and dies for everyones sins (thats a big thing) and then lets people give a wrong account on what happened? I dont think so.

In all honesty, because they think they know it all.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The Bible has been lost, translated from dead languages, interpreted in soooo many ways, and altered so many times, its so damn hard to take it seriously. How do I know the religion is not true? The prevelance of evolution basically being fact, and umm....Ive seen TBN and John Hagee. I believe that's more than enough proof for a rational human being to discern true from false.4seal

Ever hear of the dead sea scrolls?

"The scrolls comprise, among other things, the oldest copies of the Bible in existence. The Qumran scrolls date from approximately 250 B.C. to about 65 A.D., and at some other locations to about 135 A.D. Before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest existing manuscripts of parts of the Hebrew Bible came from about 800-1,000 A.D. The oldest complete copy of the Hebrew Bible, the Leningrad Codex, dates to 1008 A.D. This means that the Dead Sea Scrolls give us texts of the Bible which were copied more than 1000 years earlier than any others now in existence!"

The dead sea scrolls show that the Bible was translated correctly. Go take a look for your self, theres not much differenc. Just some words, but thats to be expected. And please dont mention anyone on TBN. These people are not Christians, they are con artists.

Who said it was translated correctly? The people who translated it!! If I changed a whole bunch of things about the Bible around, then published it, it could be seen as the definitive and correct form in my eyes. I find it odd how people think Greek and Roman stories as fairytales, but stuff just as crazy in the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim holy books is accepted as fact. Do you not find that a little odd, and honestly, a little stupid?

[QUOTE="southy787"]There are many, many religions and beliefs out there. Why do you assert that your belief is the only true, correct one to hold, when there is as much proof to support your belief as there is any other. 4seal

 Really? like what? 

 How would you even know there is as much proof as any other religion? have you stuided other religions? Or are you just making stuff up?

[QUOTE="southy787"]There are many, many religions and beliefs out there. Why do you assert that your belief is the only true, correct one to hold, when there is as much proof to support your belief as there is any other. 4seal

 Really? like what? 

 How would you even know there is as much proof as any other religion? have you stuided other religions? Or are you just making stuff up?

You know in your heart what is true, don't surround yourself in needless frustrations, you are who you are and what you know. You love and you care, that is enough to live your life to the fullest by the power of this universe that was created by the celestial father and that is ruled by absolute LOVE.Honenheim

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]You know in your heart what is true, don't surround yourself in needless frustrations, you are who you are and what you know. You love and you care, that is enough to live your life to the fullest by the power of this universe that was created by the celestial father and that is ruled by absolute LOVE.Funky_Llama

And is that Elijah your referencing?

Of course, this is to the exclusion of unfulfilled prophecy.Funky_Llama

Because statements like "The word is 6000 years old" are clearly false and idiotic, thus it makes it rather difficult to trust the rest of the Bible.

Your writing is very messy but from what I can decipher, you are pointing out things that were "fulfilled" by Jesus in the New Testament that were prophesied in the Old Testament. Well, the Old Testament is indeed an older text than the New Testament, I'll give you that. If by "time of birth" you are saying "December 25th" then there is the first error in your argument. Many scholars now say that Jesus was NOT born on December 25th, and that he was actually born sometime during the summer ( If he actually ever existed, that is.) 

Lots of the things that Jesus did in the New Testament could very well be pure fairy tale, and simply put in there to "fulfil" some prophesy.  

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Of course, this is to the exclusion of unfulfilled prophecy.hillelslovak

Another little tidbit of information:

The chances of the gospels of Matthew, Luke, so on and so forth; most likely were not written by the disciples themselves. 90% of the people in the Roman world at the time that the gospels were written were not literate, as in not able to write. And the disciples were not rich or wealthy individuals. Not only that, even if they were literate, to be able to write something like the gospels would be quite a feat. 

All in all, it seems very unlikely that the disciples were competent enough at writing to actually write those books. 

Then again...maybe they were possesed by the spirit of the Lord? :roll:

Of course, this is to the exclusion of unfulfilled prophecy.Funky_Llama

Also the page is about contradictions, not unfullfilled prophecies, and if it is, then the reasons are explained in the Bible why such and such didn't happen :| Very very biased source.

The Bible also predicts the fall of the city of Tyre. 4seal

Like every other father, God loves his children, he is kind, merciful and he is just.Honenheim

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]You know in your heart what is true, don't surround yourself in needless frustrations, you are who you are and what you know. You love and you care, that is enough to live your life to the fullest by the power of this universe that was created by the celestial father and that is ruled by absolute LOVE.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Honenheim"]Like every other father, God loves his children, he is kind, merciful and he is just.Lansdowne5

Would it be better to let a child live and be brought up in a rebellious household, no doubt coming to disobey and dishonour the Lord, or finitely punish the parents and give the children eternal life? Remember, God is the judge. Is it the judge's fault the criminal is punished, or the criminal's?Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Would it be better to let a child live and be brought up in a rebellious household, no doubt coming to disobey and dishonour the Lord, or finitely punish the parents and give the children eternal life? Remember, God is the judge. Is it the judge's fault the criminal is punished, or the criminal's?SolidSnake35

Because they are right...DJ_Novakain

Yep i agree. The only way to find out if God is real is test him oh wait ur not allowed 2 do that.

No proof? You are joking right?Lansdowne5

No verifiable evidence for any of the supernatural claims made at least.

Its religion, youre supposed to simply have faith. And there is nothing wrong with it just like there is nothing wrong with only believing in what you can see and what can be proven.

Blind faith is the basis of religion and there is nothing wrong with it.

answer to topic title: because it is. serious answer: there is nothing wrong with believing in a god, or believing in the SAME lessons that any holy book will try to teach you (good values, etc.) it is when people start arguing over the nitty gritties that i get really annoyed. there is no proof that anything in the bible happened, nor anything else in any other holy book. to believe 1 source of information without any other source cross referencing it is silly by any scientific or historian standard these days.mistervengeance

agreed