Atheism.... why are you doing this?

I mean Battlecry. Although now that you brought it up, why don't you tell me both?Anamosa41

It might be that Battlecry calls for action against corporations and popular trends, but doesn't realize that these things (as well as their right to protest) are protected under the Constitution, and if they don't want their kids being exposed to things they don't deem appropriate, don't let them be exposed.

Since one of the topics in this thread was about religious control, I thought I would dig up a few quotes I read a while back in a debunking Zeitgeist thread (if your interested in checking it out, its here: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=98970. Good read).

[QUOTE="Doctor_Who"]For those of you who believe that most or all religions are corrupt, I ask you then, what do you believe is the real purpose of religion?sefrzan

The 2 responces:

While I agree that the purpose of most religious organizations is to control the masses in a sense, you will notice, however, with a bit of historical research, that religious texts such as the bible are not just some ridiculous fabricated stories. AND, Zeitgeist, as proven earlier in this thread, uses many inaccurate claims as well, so it is not something one can place their trust in either.

I myself have experience with religious organizations that tend to exercise much power and control over people's lives, and I know now what to trust and what not to trust. Zeitgeist does not make many claims against any particular organization but the religious stories themselves.

And as for faith that such-and-such texts are God's holy word, well thats for the person to decide. Whether they believe so or not is not going to harm society unless they decide to "control" others.The-Doctor

And:

How, by whom and for what purpose ? This might make sense when dealing with a religion that has a clear hierarchical power structure, but not all religions have such a structure. In fact, one of the problems with Islam is that it lacks any formal power structure that could control its radical extremes.

Many protestants churches have a very democratic power structure (which was historically an important factor in the emergence of democracy in Europe and the US.) How does "control" fit as a purpose of these groups? Applied to specific groups and individuals, "control" might be a good explanation, but as a blanket explanation, it fails miserably.Elgin

Just putting it out there since I thought it was interesting.

Take it as a grain of salt if you want.

[QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"]

[QUOTE="ALTER_duo"]alright im gonna say this.... now i looked at the "battlecry", and really i was disgusted. A generation is at risk!!! wat the hell kind of statement is that!!! at risk from wat figuring things out for ourselves!!!??? total bull man. this website's "mission" is nearly pointless. they're never gonna "win" its impossible you're going to have to search out and find all of the atheists and convert them or something. i guess i could see you people holding some sort of public speaking non sense but you shouldnt be trying to convert those you have made a choice to find things out for themselves instead of using this "god" as an excuse as to how all this happened, you life and everything. battlecry's "mission" is going to be pointless and even if you do get everyone to join your cause, which i doubt, you'll never get me, why? i looked at the sides and i found the one that's involved in more choice and thought then christianity. wow..... that was a lot, anyway now do you understand what im talking about??? because if you dont then clearly you're jaded in all of your thoughts, pretty much not acting on your own will, following the will of "god". Anamosa41

1. Jesus gave His life for me, so why can't I do the same?

2. I know if I reject Him I will be going to hell. So why not just die a short death and live in heaven for eternity instead of living this life any way I want and paying the price for it in hell?

BTW A lot of people are against Battlecry for the same reason you are.

1. if thats wat you want...

2. yea yea all i har about is this hell thing now a days. think of it this way alright, you wont know anything until you die really i mean you can't be sure. i personally am trying to figure things out before something like that happens, in other words finding a way around something like that.

3. yea i had feeling about that

ticks me off? wat do you mean the battlecry or christianity as a whole?

man i wish i hadent but alright ill try to..... First battlecry. ok now then basically wat the point of battlecry is, is to convert us non-believers so that we can see the light or someting like that wat if people dont want to be converted or something? i know that this argument sounds juvenile but really think about it why would convert someone if they dont want to be??? thats like saying you cant use soft toilet paper you have to use the card board kind. Whenever someone comes door to door asking me to come to their chruch or wahtever to join them in prayer i simply tell them to go away and think about wat exactly you are trying to do, in other words think about trying to convert me into someting that I dont see is very intelligent and put well into thought at all. im not saying that christianity is was thought up by morons who know nothing about everything im just saying that it seems ill conceived.... i hate the idea of someone telling me what to do with my life i want ot do it myself and if this god stands in the way going "do someting different" all ill say is f**k'em since when is god me!!!??? i decide wat i do no one else sure others have an effect on me but they dont control me and god is no expection to this. alright i thnk i explained all of it there.

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] a lot of it is not in the bibleAnamosa41

I'm not a theologian, but I don't think the Bible is the only source material for the Christian religion. It could also be that the traditions you speak of are simply the Catholic Churches own interpretation of the Bible. I think it's fairly obvious that the Bible can be interpreted in about one thousand different ways.

That's your opinion, but many other Christians would disagree with you.

In my own personal opinion, the Bible was never meant to be taken literally. Some of the stories that happen in the Bible are most likely not even true stories. The Exodus is a perfect example. There is hardly any evidence, outside of Biblical accounts, that this even even took place. When the story was written, they probably didn't even think twice about it because they were not writing a history book. They were writing a book that would help explain their religious faith.

The point to all of this is that because religion, especially the monotheistic ones, rely on a text that was written centuries ago, they are open to all kinds of interpretations. The fact that there are so many Christian denominations is proof enough of this.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]I mean Battlecry. Although now that you brought it up, why don't you tell me both?The_Ish

It might be that Battlecry calls for action against corporations and popular trends, but doesn't realize that these things (as well as their right to protest) are protected under the Constitution, and if they don't want their kids being exposed to things they don't deem appropriate, don't let them be exposed.

Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Zaeryn

So are people who post in threads that they have no intention of contributing anything useful.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]I mean Battlecry. Although now that you brought it up, why don't you tell me both?Anamosa41

It might be that Battlecry calls for action against corporations and popular trends, but doesn't realize that these things (as well as their right to protest) are protected under the Constitution, and if they don't want their kids being exposed to things they don't deem appropriate, don't let them be exposed.

Then don't watch stuff that you don't want to see. Switch the channel, read something else, get some pop up blockers. :|

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Decessus

So are people who post in threads that they have no intention of contributing anything useful.

seems like it

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] a lot of it is not in the bibleDecessus

I'm not a theologian, but I don't think the Bible is the only source material for the Christian religion. It could also be that the traditions you speak of are simply the Catholic Churches own interpretation of the Bible. I think it's fairly obvious that the Bible can be interpreted in about one thousand different ways.

That's your opinion, but many other Christians would disagree with you.

In my own personal opinion, the Bible was never meant to be taken literally. Some of the stories that happen in the Bible are most likely not even true stories. The Exodus is a perfect example. There is hardly any evidence, outside of Biblical accounts, that this even even took place. When the story was written, they probably didn't even think twice about it because they were not writing a history book. They were writing a book that would help explain their religious faith.

The point to all of this is that because religion, especially the monotheistic ones, rely on a text that was written centuries ago, they are open to all kinds of interpretations. The fact that there are so many Christian denominations is proof enough of this.

Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Zaeryn

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..The_Ish

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Zaeryn

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

The point isn't to really prove one side or the other. The point is to have a free flow of ideas so that people can learn all sides of an issue.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]I mean Battlecry. Although now that you brought it up, why don't you tell me both?The_Ish

It might be that Battlecry calls for action against corporations and popular trends, but doesn't realize that these things (as well as their right to protest) are protected under the Constitution, and if they don't want their kids being exposed to things they don't deem appropriate, don't let them be exposed.

Then don't watch stuff that you don't want to see. Switch the channel, read something else, get some pop up blockers. :|

i like science and physical proof. i firmly believe that all religion was just created to explain what was at the time unexplainable\

then they all kinda just spread out into all matters in life

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[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Zaeryn

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

Then don't post in threads you don't want to post in. Some people actually like debating, and no one forced you to ****ing post in a thread that you don't agree with. Let me guess, you needed that +1? If that was the case, there are about 20 different other threads on the first page you can spam in too.

sorry i cant contribute anynore i gotta go thanx for a good arument guys. until tomarrow then :)ALTER_duo

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Decessus

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

The point isn't to really prove one side or the other. The point is to have a free flow of ideas so that people can learn all sides of an issue.

You should do a little research. www.bobcornuke.com has a lot of evidence.Anamosa41

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..The_Ish

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

Then don't post in threads you don't want to post in. Some people actually like debating, and no one forced you to ****ing post in a thread that you don't agree with. Let me guess, you needed that +1? If that was the case, there are about 20 different other threads on the first page you can spam in too.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Zaeryn

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

The point isn't to really prove one side or the other. The point is to have a free flow of ideas so that people can learn all sides of an issue.

It's true that some people can get a little carried away sometimes, but that's just because it is such a heated topic. The important thing is that this is a thread where anybody can give their point of view. People will respond to that point of view, and then it is up to that person to decide if perhaps they had some incorrect assumptions or not.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]You should do a little research. www.bobcornuke.com has a lot of evidence.Decessus

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

I have and have done all the things you've mentioned and listed. It is still just not right for them to be doing all this though. It's everywhere. I see things when I don't want to see them and wasn't even expecting to see them.Anamosa41

If you don't like seeing things you don't agree with, thats fine, but you'll have to expect these things, considering the same right that allows you to protest also allows the corporations to say what they want, and you can't expect people to overturn the most sacred right acknowledged by the Constitution (free speech) in any way.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Zaeryn"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Guys I'll be honest. Quit arguing. You're all wasting your time arguing over something you cannot prove. It's that simple. You cannot prove anything. Religion arguments are lame..Decessus

So are posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

The point isn't to really prove one side or the other. The point is to have a free flow of ideas so that people can learn all sides of an issue.

It's true that some people can get a little carried away sometimes, but that's just because it is such a heated topic. The important thing is that this is a thread where anybody can give their point of view. People will respond to that point of view, and then it is up to that person to decide if perhaps they had some incorrect assumptions or not.

I'm not spamming. Settle the hell down. I don't agree with arguments and wars over religion when there's no evident proof. Don't be such a ****ing jerk about it. At least try and prove to me why it DOES make sense, not be a jerk..Zaeryn

Your post is disruptive, and doesn't have anything to do with the topic, so it's spam. There are people like you who come in and complain about the topic in the topic, and contribute nothing to discussion. So, once again, if you don't agree with the topic, don't ****ing post in it, no one is forcing you too. I don't know how that escapes you.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"] I have and have done all the things you've mentioned and listed. It is still just not right for them to be doing all this though. It's everywhere. I see things when I don't want to see them and wasn't even expecting to see them.The_Ish

If you don't like seeing things you don't agree with, thats fine, but you'll have to expect these things, considering the same right that allows you to protest also allows the corporations to say what they want, and you can't expect people to overturn the most sacred right acknowledged by the Constitution (free speech) in any way.

I understand what you are saying but I just want to ask one thing. Did people publisizeall these things back in the 60s through early 80s? They didn't before that either. Things have really changed.Anamosa41

I believe that if God exists then it is a product of evolution,rather than a supernatural being.Severed_Hand

Figures that when silver leaves, the topic dies.slinky6

Haven't you heard? I'm the life of the party!8)

I think it's quite plausible to say that Silver-Dragon is a radical Christian, one of those that would have no problem having the Crusades all over again.

Dr. Francis Collins, one of the only current Christian scientists that has actually done something good leads the Human Genome project, and his views are quite opposite of Silver's. Heck every current Christian Scientist that is contributing to Science has opposite views of Silver (you can call them deist Christians or theist evolutionists).

All of the ones that have the same views as Silver, however, aren't doing jack **** for Science atm.

ab1205

Who the HELL do you think you are?! How DARE you say I would support a Crusade?! Who the **** do you think you are, calling me a radical Christian and saying you know what I believe? What the HELL do I believe then, Mr. god?!

And Deist and theistic evolutionist are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!

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another misconception, Catholocism was very messed up during the Middle Ages mainly due to the fact that people werent educated enough to read the Bible, and so they ended up listening to whatever their priest, monk, or pope told them. People usually group the two together because catholocism branched off from Christianity, But if you look at Catholocism back then and even its current state, they are becoming extremely different from each other

Decessus

What is a Christian?

A Christian is somebody who lives as Christ.

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"]Because not havinga religion = the new cool thing to do. First NES, then Backstreet boys... Now it's Atheism!Bubba-louiy

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]You should do a little research. www.bobcornuke.com has a lot of evidence.Decessus

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

You're right. But what about everything around it? Moses existed (I think), we have the Ten Commandments, Mt. Sinai, Geographical accuracy, and other things, so what about those?

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]You should do a little research. http://www.bobcornuke.com/ has a lot of evidence.Decessus

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

Hello, look what I found: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]You should do a little research. http://www.bobcornuke.com/ has a lot of evidence.Silver_Dragon17

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

Hello, look what I found: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

What is it that you think you found?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]You should do a little research. http://www.bobcornuke.com/ has a lot of evidence.Decessus

If you're not going to accept simple facts, then I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. There is very little evidence that the Exodus ever occured, this isn't debateable.

Hello, look what I found: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

What is it that you think you found?

Says it right in the link: Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

Says it right in the link: Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

Silver_Dragon17

I'm curious, did you read the article at all?

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

You can't convert to non religion. :- |

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Says it right in the link: Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

Decessus

I'm curious, did you read the article at all?

I did a few skims. Why? Don't tell me there's something wrong. . . .

GOD!!!!!

Die thread DIE!!!!!

***Stabs Thread Repeatedly!!!!!!***

To the depths of hell with you!!!!!!!!!!

***Waits to shoot next poster that bumps thread...***

GOD!!!!!

Die thread DIE!!!!!

***Stabs Thread Repeatedly!!!!!!***

To the depths of hell with you!!!!!!!!!!

***Waits to shoot next poster that bumps thread...***

lord_mordain

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[QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).needled24-7

Most dont want to think that when you die, you just lose consciousness and fade out of existence. I dont want to believe it either. People are scared of death.

grrrr.....

If I could, I'd shoot both of you!!!!

But alas....

They do not make guns that work over the internet....

So I will have to just stare at you both very very angrily!!!

grrrr.....

If I could, I'd shoot both of you!!!!

But alas....

They do not make guns that work over the internet....

So I will have to just stare at you both very very angrily!!!

lord_mordain

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[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Says it right in the link: Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

Silver_Dragon17

I'm curious, did you read the article at all?

I did a few skims. Why? Don't tell me there's something wrong. . . .

I'll be honest, I consider myself to be a pretty knowledgeable, but I read that article and most of it didn't make any sense to me at all. It's not because it's poorly written or anything like that, it's because I don't have the proper background necessary in order to make sense out of what I'm reading. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you do either.

I'm sure you're saying to yourself, well then how do you know it isn't correct? The answer is I really don't, but I also don't know if it's wrong either. What I do know is that it is a single source, that comes from a website that clearly has a bias towards showing the historical accuracy of the bible.

The authors of that website look at the evidence, and they draw conclusions from that evidence. I can show you other sources that look at that same evidence and draw a completely different conclusion. There just isn't any kind of general consensus as to the historical accuracy of the Bible with regards to the Exodus because there simply isn't enough data to work with.