Atheism.... why are you doing this?

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.ALTER_duo

man why do we have to do this again?.... oh well here goes.... we do this because we want to find things out for ourselves. we want to find out wat happened instead of being told wat happened. its really as simple as that im just tired of being told this what "god" did and everything i want to find out on my own terms

no,someone else mentioned that all faith was wrong,i came in and deffended it otherwise,then you and i started having a conversation and all of a sudden the context was different.im not telling you you have to go by my context,i just want to be vertified that the context im going by is not a bad thing.thats all im trying to say.and when you say "all faith is wrong" it pretty much sounded like "all faith is wrong" to me,i dont know what elese to say.and since i am using the english language,i am alowed to use it

(in your context)
that type of faith is...skewed.but imo there should be a different deffiniton for it.there probably is lol i just dont feel like lookin it up.

guitboxdude25

You took my words out of context. When I said that all faith was wrong, I meant it in a certain context. You took that out of context and decided to tell me that I can't use it in my own context because it's not the context that you want to use. No, I decide what context its in because it's my statement. If you want to use a different context, fine by me, but don't chose my context for me. :)

Of course it sounded like "all faith is wrong," that's what I initially said. The big difference is that you misinterpreted my post. That's ok, I don't believe I stated the context that I was using at first, but then I backtracked a little and I told you what definition of faith I was using. That should've been enough but I needed to type all of these paragraphs to prove a point.

When faith is used as "A confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing," then of course my first statement is bs because I'm confident in what I believe in. That's not the definition I used, however.

"If all matter was at infinite mass and infinitely small density it would not explode, it would become a black hole, the universe would end where it had begun. The universe has always been here and always will be and there is no easy happy way of looking at it. Don't believe me? Ask Hawking, and then stfu about the big bang."

This guy knows his stuff.

TMontana1004

I dont know whatI believe anymore.

here's the reason im starting to doubt christianity and the idea that there is a god

1: Humans have been here for about 40,000 years. why is it that God waited until 2000BC to reveal himself to Abraham?

second, if there was a God, why are there so many different religions that say that they are right and everyone else is wrong?

third, if you analyze the religions throughout history, they all were invented for 2 reasons. 1: to explain the natural phenomena around them, and 2: to control and subjegate people. why are we to assume this is any different in the case of christianity and judaism?

4:why wont God heal amputees (note, I dont know anyone who is an amputee in case you're wondering)? he created the universe, he raised his son from the dead, but he cant heal a single amputee?

5: why is it that no one has ever seen god? even the book of John says that no one has ever seen God the father. WTF?

6: why is it that we have absolutely no evidence of Jesus' miracles and divinity outside the New testament? why is it that we have very little evidence of his existence outside the new testament?

7: Why is it that God allows innocent children to suffer so horribly?

8: why is it that the power of prayer has never been demonstrated?

Now, a christian will probably come up short in answering these questions. lets pretend for a moment that God isn't real, but is imaginary. all the sudden, the answers make perfect sense.

I have one last thing to say. If someone came up to you and said that he was the son of God, what would you say or do? you'd probably just dismiss him as some nut. Maybe you'll ask for some proof. If he wasn't able to provide absolute proof of his status as the son of God, would you believe him? of course not. why should Jesus get a free pass?

mig_killer2

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no,someone else mentioned that all faith was wrong,i came in and deffended it otherwise,then you and i started having a conversation and all of a sudden the context was different.im not telling you you have to go by my context,i just want to be vertified that the context im going by is not a bad thing.thats all im trying to say.and when you say "all faith is wrong" it pretty much sounded like "all faith is wrong" to me,i dont know what elese to say.and since i am using the english language,i am alowed to use it

(in your context)
that type of faith is...skewed.but imo there should be a different deffiniton for it.there probably is lol i just dont feel like lookin it up.

DeeJayInphinity

You took my words out of context. When I said that all faith was wrong, I meant it in a certain context. You took that out of context and decided to tell me that I can't use it in my own context because it's not the context that you want to use. No, I decide what context its in because it's my statement. If you want to use a different context, fine by me, but don't chose my context for me. :)

Of course it sounded like "all faith is wrong," that's what I initially said. The big difference is that you misinterpreted my post. That's ok, I don't believe I stated the context that I was using at first, but then I backtracked a little and I told you what definition of faith I was using. That should've been enough but I needed to type all of these paragraphs to prove a point.

When faith is used as "A confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing," then of course my first statement is bs because I'm confident in what I believe in. That's not the definition I used, however.

if i hear the word "context" one more time im going to stab myself with an ice pick.

if i hear the word "context" one more time im going to stab myself with an ice pick.

guitboxdude25

I felt that way when I was writting my post. I didn't know what other word to use, though. :P

Context!

I stand by what I said about Religious faith being bad though. It may have a few good outcomes, but the bad far outweighs those few good things. You said it wasn't the religion's fault, but I beg to differ. If they hadn't been brainwashed from childhood, they wouldn't have the twisted idea that suicide bombing is a good thing. People can interpret things differently, but every religion, at it's core is violant. "Moderate" religious people are the ones who have the wrong idea because they like to say that religion isn't violant. But they clearly haven't read the Old Testament. To take your morality from that book would not be a good idea. The New Testament isn't much better though.
slinky6

well,i suppose religion is the root of it all.but still a good person wouldnt kill even if he had heavy religious views,right?

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

It's called "the world is finally becoming logical and intelligent".

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

if i hear the word "context" one more time im going to stab myself with an ice pick.

DeeJayInphinity

I felt that way when I was writting my post. I didn't know what other word to use, though. :P

Context!

touche,salesman....

.....touche.

now this thread is over ^^

thanks for that image

Why are we doing what?

Also

Hey carnage2k9, nice knowing you. :(

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

"If all matter was at infinite mass and infinitely small density it would not explode, it would become a black hole, the universe would end where it had begun. The universe has always been here and always will be and there is no easy happy way of looking at it. Don't believe me? Ask Hawking, and then stfu about the big bang."

This guy knows his stuff.

CptJSparrow

this thread now officialy delivers.

carnage2k9

...you just got this thread locked. Dont post stuff like that. I would delete as soon as possible if I were you...

They give free pie at atheist church, and pie is just great.yoshi-lnex

Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

I like to believe that i go to my own damn world, where im god and i control everything, i make up my own powers and im even able to make myself forget i have all these powers, that way i can never get bored ^^

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?FireXero

I like to believe that i go to my own damn world, where im god and i control everything, i make up my own powers and im even able to make myself forget i have all these powers, that way i can never get bored ^^

Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

technically, nothing.

it disappears

Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Because your friends are believing in what is logical.needled24-7

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

why? because religious belief, more than any other kind of groundless superstitition, robs humanity of its very humanity. people who are not too blind, not too gullible, not too ignorant, not too hateful, are awakening to the realization that most of the evil in the world comes from the ignorant supersititious belief in fantastic beings who are thought to demand not only the blind subservience of the gullible masses, but also the subjugation of all humans to the make-believe will of imaginary authority.

religious belief produces nothing but slaves.

Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).antonius05

Why would you when it's not going to happen anyways?

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).GodLovesDead

Why would you when it's not going to happen anyways?

Simple: dinial. A lot ofpeople will do anything to avoid the fact that it will all be over when they die. For the most part, until they realize it, nothing anyone can say or do will convince them otherwise. Honestly, I like religion because of the whole heaven/hell thing and all its variations because if a lot of people realize there is no eternal damnation for bad deeds, who knows what they would do. That's all that's keeping some potential murderers out there from erasing that "potental" part.

Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).antonius05

That's like asking whether you would rather believe in money falling from the sky tomorow, or just a regular weather forecast. Just because one is nice, doesn't mean that you should rely on it, especially when there is so little evidance for it.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?The_Ish

technically, nothing.

it disappears

I'm not exactly religious but I'm not an Atheist either, I just have to ask: don't you find that the least bit depressing?

Science is the new religion these daysMichaeltheCM

science is not a religion, if you argue this you don't know what they are

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?Vyse_The_Daring

technically, nothing.

it disappears

I'm not exactly religious but I'm not an Atheist either, I just have to ask: don't you find that the least bit depressing?

yes, yes it is depressing. And that is EXACTLY the reason millions of people cling to their religious beliefs.

I'm not exactly religious but I'm not an Atheist either, I just have to ask: don't you find that the least bit depressing?

Vyse_The_Daring

sure, it's "depressing", but thats comparing it to something that was probably made up, like an after-life

it's really only depressing if you focus on death all the time and forget to live while you can

I don't think anybody has any real clue on how everything started. I don't either that's why I don't believe in anything. Plus, if we evolved from monkeys than why are monkeys still here?wallpaper42

That sounds like something Peter Griffing would say, the fact is that WE DIDNT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, we just SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR.

In caps so that you dont miss that part ;)

I don't think anybody has any real clue on how everything started. I don't either that's why I don't believe in anything. Plus, if we evolved from monkeys than why are monkeys still here?wallpaper42

That's a commen misconception. In reality, apes and monkeys (humans are a type of great ape) evolved from the same ancestors (who were obviously very monkey-like).

I don't think anybody has any real clue on how everything started. I don't either that's why I don't believe in anything. Plus, if we evolved from monkeys than why are monkeys still here?wallpaper42

We didn't evolve from monkey, we share the same ancestors. And in that arguement, there would only be one kind of organism left because according to you all previous generations die off right? Ehh no.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Sooo, Im curious, what do atheists think happen to their soul or, conscious after they die?Vyse_The_Daring

technically, nothing.

it disappears

I'm not exactly religious but I'm not an Atheist either, I just have to ask: don't you find that the least bit depressing?

Actually, no. It makes this life REALLY matter. This life means everything...it's not just a pass/fail test to see if you go to heaven. It's just one shot, so you can make the best of it.

That's my philosophy anyways.

Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).antonius05

when you base a belief off what you find more comfortable than what you find more factual is a mistake imo. i, myself am agnostic, but i'd never go out of my way to bash someone's regilion if their reasons are pure and not just for comfort. everyone thinks differently, i'm not saying whatever religion you believe in is wrong, ,i just have different views towards it than a religious person. but i would say the way people practice their faith is pretty sad these days.

I created a thread kind of like this one not too long ago.Anamosa41

that was the one where you bashed atheists for "converting" people yet was trying to convert people to christianity.

Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).antonius05

Sure, I'd rather go to 'heaven'...but I don't believe it exists, so...