Atheism.... why are you doing this?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

guitboxdude25

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.guitboxdude25

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

What if I said that I have faith that you are the anti christ and that everyone should kill you because of what I said. Would you respect my assertion? What if I spawned an entire religion with no evidence fixating around a single person (Oh my god this sounds familiar)

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.guitboxdude25

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="J-Man725"]

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="J-Man725"]Who's to say Atheism isn't a form of faith...J-Man725

Faith is believing, an obligation of loyaltyand fidelity to an idea.How you substantiate that belief is your freedom. Fact, opinion, or otherwise.

That definition is everyone's freedom.... You have your definition, I have mine..

Because it doesn't suit you doesn't make it wrong...

yep

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="slinky6"]People are coming to their senses and realizing that faith is a horrid idea.DeeJayInphinity

i dont believe faith is a bad idea.faith in ourselves,faith in our loved ones,faith in ones country,faith in morals/ethics.beleiving heavily in your ideas is fantastic and invigorating these days.its the ideas that can be a problem,for instance a racist person having faith that his race is better,or a religous zealot who has faith that everyone else is going to hell.but thats there skewed ideas,and has nothing to do with faith.

Faith is the same in every form. Faith (Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.) is always bad no matter how you look at it.

no,your looking at the negative deffinition.i have faith in myself that im going to pass 8 years of college with flying colors,become a psychiatrist,and make a difference in the world.i guess this is a bad thing,no matter how you look at it :roll:

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I am a teapot atheist because I don't believe in any theistic god, supernatural intelligence, afterlife, or anything beyond the natural universe. This is a belief gathered due to the sheer lack of evidence for those beliefs that I reject. [QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).ALTER_duo

Because people are getting dumber by the minute.Bubba-louiy

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"]Because not havinga religion = the new cool thing to do. First NES, then Backstreet boys... Now it's Atheism!Bubba-louiy

Religon threads....why did you make one?-Rail_Man-

lmao ur final response is so true

but the others werent?

no not necessarily...

how so?

What I am trying to say is that those statements aren't necessarily false -- I just don't think they are true. Unfortunately I will never know until death.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="slinky6"]People are coming to their senses and realizing that faith is a horrid idea.guitboxdude25

i dont believe faith is a bad idea.faith in ourselves,faith in our loved ones,faith in ones country,faith in morals/ethics.beleiving heavily in your ideas is fantastic and invigorating these days.its the ideas that can be a problem,for instance a racist person having faith that his race is better,or a religous zealot who has faith that everyone else is going to hell.but thats there skewed ideas,and has nothing to do with faith.

Faith is the same in every form. Faith (Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.) is always bad no matter how you look at it.

no,your looking at the negative deffinition.i have faith in myself that im going to pass 8 years of college with flying colors,become a psychiatrist,and make a difference in the world.i guess this is a bad thing,no matter how you look at it :roll:

[QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I am a teapot atheist because I don't believe in any theistic god, supernatural intelligence, afterlife, or anything beyond the natural universe. This is a belief gathered due to the sheer lack of evidence for those beliefs that I reject. [QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).TMontana1004

Because people are getting dumber by the minute.Bubba-louiy

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"]Because not havinga religion = the new cool thing to do. First NES, then Backstreet boys... Now it's Atheism!Bubba-louiy

Religon threads....why did you make one?-Rail_Man-

lmao ur final response is so true

but the others werent?

no not necessarily...

how so?

What I am trying to say is that those statements aren't necessarily false -- I just don't think they are true. Unfortunately I will never know until death.

yea i couldnt have put it better myself. i mean i know that sounds like a pathetic excuse and that im completely condricting myself but we wont know the entire truth until we die its a fact. BELIEVE IT!

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I am a teapot atheist because I don't believe in any theistic god, supernatural intelligence, afterlife, or anything beyond the natural universe. This is a belief gathered due to the sheer lack of evidence for those beliefs that I reject. [QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).ALTER_duo

Because people are getting dumber by the minute.Bubba-louiy

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"]Because not havinga religion = the new cool thing to do. First NES, then Backstreet boys... Now it's Atheism!Bubba-louiy

Religon threads....why did you make one?-Rail_Man-

lmao ur final response is so true

but the others werent?

no not necessarily...

how so?

What I am trying to say is that those statements aren't necessarily false -- I just don't think they are true. Unfortunately I will never know until death.

yea i couldnt have put it better myself. i mean i know that sounds like a pathetic excuse and that im completely condricting myself but we wont know the entire truth until we die its a fact. BELIEVE IT!

I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TMontana1004

It's called natural happening. It's like if I were to slam my head on my keyboard a billion times, I would type out coherent sentences.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.slinky6

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

why not?
no one has ever killed in the name of athiesm?please,this is not a fact.this is what you yourself have established.



its the person having mental problems that makes them burn and kill.i dont know why a killer that believes in god is automaticly gods hitman...

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TongHua

It's called natural happening. It's like if I were to slam my head on my keyboard a billion times, I would type out coherent sentences.

not exactly lol

I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TMontana1004

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

What is your motivation for wanting to cling to a belief in an afterlife? Is it simply because not doing so discomforts you? Afterall, there is no evidence to suggest that such a thing exists. Most Athiests claim that science is all they judge the world by, and that in itself is justified, as why believe in something that makes no rational sense? However, any true scientist should in fact call themselves an agnostic, implying that if evidence ever came to light suggesting the existence of a "god", then they would accept the facts and believe. I for one only beleive in absolutes; in objective information, and subjective information is entirely...nothing...and open to everything.

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[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TMontana1004

It's called natural happening. It's like if I were to slam my head on my keyboard a billion times, I would type out coherent sentences.

not exactly lol

Actually, exactly, except he forgot to say "eventually". If you forgot, the Universe is 13 billion years old or so. Thats a really, really, really long time.

I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TMontana1004

Wow.... im speechless... this is the kind of crap you would expect from a 5-year old

[QUOTE="TMontana1004"]I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.slinky6

know what you're talking about before posting. THINK!

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

DeeJayInphinity

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.guitboxdude25

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

why not?
no one has ever killed in the name of athiesm?please,this is not a fact.this is what you yourself have established.



its the person having mental problems that makes them burn and kill.i dont know why a killer that believes in god is automaticly gods hitman...

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

guitboxdude25

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

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[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.ALTER_duo

know what you're talking about before posting. THINK!

im sorry disregard this post i apologize for this to so late as well as wrong im sorry:oops:

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.TongHua

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

What if I said that I have faith that you are the anti christ and that everyone should kill you because of what I said. Would you respect my assertion? What if I spawned an entire religion with no evidence fixating around a single person (Oh my god this sounds familiar)

it wouldnt be the faith that would be the problem,it would be the idiotic idea.
im glad you seem to steer the religion part of this to me.im not christian so it doesnt matter.

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Panzer-schreck

dude that last one is hilarious

[QUOTE="ALTER_duo"]

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="TMontana1004"]I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.ALTER_duo

know what you're talking about before posting. THINK!

im sorry disregard this post i apologize for this to so late as well as wrong im sorry:oops:

I am going to say one more thing about atheism: how could the big bang or whatever atheists believe in have created all of these ideas about life, death, animals, the human body, earth, etc. Only someone with knowledge off the scales would be able to think of such things and I don't think an explosion could have done all of this.TMontana1004

well, there are certainly a few variables here. For starters, are you and your friends in High School? A lot of teenagers switch belief systems a lot in high school. Partly as an act of rebellion, and partly hormonal. Another thing, you mention that YOUR friends have become Atheist, but were they friends to each other? What I mean is, where yall a group of friends. If so, then it also might have to do with a group mentality. One switch's, then others do as well just to fit in.

Please dont take any of there questions and assertions personally. These are just things that I have seen happen to people. There is absolutly nothing wrong with Atheism. Im just trying to get some more insight into your problem.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

slinky6

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

it is,look it up.
btw.if a christian persons belief is that they need to kill millions of people to uphold their own religion,i could see why maybee faith would be bad added with the situation
buti dont see how a calm,peacfull,mentally stable,logical christan man beliefs faith is bad.none die for his faith.

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

I don't think the situation is quite as severe as you think it is. According to The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, only about one percent of any given countries population claim to be atheists. (1) The numbers will vary slightly depending on the methodology and the question being asked, but it still remains relatively low.

"If all matter was at infinite mass and infinitely small density it would not explode, it would become a black hole, the universe would end where it had begun. The universe has always been here and always will be and there is no easy happy way of looking at it. Don't believe me? Ask Hawking, and then stfu about the big bang."

This guy knows his stuff.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

guitboxdude25

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

Yes, I can decide what context I was using because I began using it in that context. You can go in and change the context of every word that I type but that wouldn't make for a good conversation, would it? I'm using faith in that specific context, if you don't want to use it in that context, don't have a conversation with me when I am using it in that context. It's as simple as that.

You're telling me that I can't tell you what context to use but you want to dictate what context I have to use? No, it doesn't work that way. I use whatever context I want and you either oblige or leave me alone. It's all up to you.

I'm telling you what context I'm using for the sake of conversation. I'm not telling you that all of the other definitions of faith are wrong, I'm telling you that the specific definition of faith I'M USING is wrong. Like I said, if you don't like it when people use it in that context, don't have a conversation with me.

But, as it stands, that [ Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.] is one of the definitions of Faith and since I am using the English language, I can use that definition.

And when I meant "all" faith is wrong, I mean all faith that has to do with that definiton is wrong. You are, again, taking my words out of context. You can do that -I couldn't care less- but that's not my message and you're not allowed to change it.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.slinky6

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

why not?
no one has ever killed in the name of athiesm?please,this is not a fact.this is what you yourself have established.



its the person having mental problems that makes them burn and kill.i dont know why a killer that believes in god is automaticly gods hitman...

well the fact that they got brainwashed is not the religions fault.
well,thats the deffinition for it,and there are no "better words" theyre all equal,they mean the same.

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

guitboxdude25

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

it is,look it up.
btw.if a christian persons belief is that they need to kill millions of people to uphold their own religion,i could see why maybee faith would be bad added with the situation
buti dont see how a calm,peacfull,mentally stable,logical christan man beliefs faith is bad.none die for his faith.

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ALTER_duo"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.guitboxdude25

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

why not?
no one has ever killed in the name of athiesm?please,this is not a fact.this is what you yourself have established.



its the person having mental problems that makes them burn and kill.i dont know why a killer that believes in god is automaticly gods hitman...

well the fact that they got brainwashed is not the religions fault.
well,thats the deffinition for it,and there are no "better words" theyre all equal,they mean the same.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

DeeJayInphinity

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

Yes, I can decide what context I was using because I began using it in that context. You can go in and change the context of every word that I type but that wouldn't make for a good conversation, would it? I'm using faith in that specific context, if you don't want to use it in that context, don't have a conversation with me when I am using it in that context. It's as simple as that.

You're telling me that I can't tell you what context to use but you want to dictate what context I have to use? No, it doesn't work that way. I use whatever context I want and you either oblige or leave me alone. It's all up to you.

I'm telling you what context I'm using for the sake of conversation. I'm not telling you that all of the other definitions of faith are wrong, I'm telling you that the specific definition of faith I'M USING is wrong. Like I said, if you don't like it when people use it in that context, don't have a conversation with me.

But, as it stands, that [ Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.] is one of the definitions of Faith and since I am using the English language, I can use that definition.

And when I meant "all" faith is wrong, I mean all faith that has to do with that definiton is wrong. You are, again, taking my words out of context. You can do that -I couldn't care less- but that's not my message and you're not allowed to change it.

no,someone else mentioned that all faith was wrong,i came in and deffended it otherwise,then you and i started having a conversation and all of a sudden the context was different.im not telling you you have to go by my context,i just want to be vertified that the context im going by is not a bad thing.thats all im trying to say.and when you say "all faith is wrong" it pretty much sounded like "all faith is wrong" to me,i dont know what elese to say.and since i am using the english language,i am alowed to use it

(in your context)
that type of faith is...skewed.but imo there should be a different deffiniton for it.there probably is lol i just dont feel like lookin it up.

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Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

slinky6

We're using "Faith" in a certain context, you can't just change the context of a word so long as it fits with what you're trying to say. Yes, the word faith has a couple of different meanings, we're (or atleast I am) using this one: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

i cant change the context but you can decide what it was in the first place?!
and i do beieve i heard "ALL faith is bad"
im pretty sure "all" faith had to do with "all" its contexts

it is,look it up.
btw.if a christian persons belief is that they need to kill millions of people to uphold their own religion,i could see why maybee faith would be bad added with the situation
buti dont see how a calm,peacfull,mentally stable,logical christan man beliefs faith is bad.none die for his faith.

wrong people indirectly affected this. people did die to believe in this higher power this god. he has everyone to thank that dies for his beliefs. christianity wasnt just decided right by everyone it went through hard times as well just like atheism did although athiests did kill people, ( A LOT of people) in order to get their point across, which is bad i dont condone killing people its stupid to do such a thing so dont get me wrong here

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[QUOTE="antonius05"]Its like most atheists (notice i said most, not all)don't think it out before becoming it, then they want to go back but also don't want to go back.... its really werid.slinky6

Most people didn't think about becoming a christian, most people just grow into it. That's why faith is that one magical thing covered in velvet and roses; you can't criticize it because it's supposed to be so beautiful and all that fuzzy stuff.

actually a lot of people criticize it for that reason

Yeah, like me. I hate the idea of faith, and I hate it when people tell me not to criticize it. :?

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.is that so bad?theres more than one deffinition for it,your going by the one you wish to believe

d you have faith in your idea that faith is bad?

why not?
no one has ever killed in the name of athiesm?please,this is not a fact.this is what you yourself have established.



its the person having mental problems that makes them burn and kill.i dont know why a killer that believes in god is automaticly gods hitman...

well the fact that they got brainwashed is not the religions fault.
well,thats the deffinition for it,and there are no "better words" theyre all equal,they mean the same.

its ok...im sorry i come off kind of stubborn about this.i just dont like to see people loose faith(the confidence deffinition lol)in themselves,and thats how i initially took it as.

Yeah but still, its like all the faith in the world has been stolen....( im suspecting the hamburgler)antonius05

no people are just starting to have faith in themselves rather than some diety that has yet to reveal itself.

Trim the quote trees...

Trim the quote trees...

Panzer-schreck

I second that

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Yeah but still, its like all the faith in the world has been stolen....( im suspecting the hamburgler)firebreathing

no people are just starting to have faith in themselves rather than some diety that has yet to reveal itself.

according to the bible he has, in a sense, his son jesus but id rather not talk about him so im sorry that i put this out there however i though that it needed to be said. why dont i want to talk about it well cuz i saw "the passion of christ".

I dont know whatI believe anymore.

here's the reason im starting to doubt christianity and the idea that there is a god

1: Humans have been here for about 40,000 years. why is it that God waited until 2000BC to reveal himself to Abraham?

second, if there was a God, why are there so many different religions that say that they are right and everyone else is wrong?

third, if you analyze the religions throughout history, they all were invented for 2 reasons. 1: to explain the natural phenomena around them, and 2: to control and subjegate people. why are we to assume this is any different in the case of christianity and judaism?

4:why wont God heal amputees (note, I dont know anyone who is an amputee in case you're wondering)? he created the universe, he raised his son from the dead, but he cant heal a single amputee?

5: why is it that no one has ever seen god? even the book of John says that no one has ever seen God the father. WTF?

6: why is it that we have absolutely no evidence of Jesus' miracles and divinity outside the New testament? why is it that we have very little evidence of his existence outside the new testament?

7: Why is it that God allows innocent children to suffer so horribly?

8: why is it that the power of prayer has never been demonstrated?

Now, a christian will probably come up short in answering these questions. lets pretend for a moment that God isn't real, but is imaginary. all the sudden, the answers make perfect sense.

I have one last thing to say. If someone came up to you and said that he was the son of God, what would you say or do? you'd probably just dismiss him as some nut. Maybe you'll ask for some proof. If he wasn't able to provide absolute proof of his status as the son of God, would you believe him? of course not. why should Jesus get a free pass?