Atheism.... why are you doing this?

Because we're getting to the point where more and more people, especially kids, are finding the idea of religion completely ridiculous. Plus they're questioning it more.

People want tangible, concrete stuff, not fairy stories.

Also, it's not like we're missing out on anything, not from our point of view anyway.

Yay! Religious Debate Ver. 9.3! Anywhos, if we're all wrong, we're going to burn in hell...But seeing how hell doesn't exist, I don't suppose we have to worry too much. Atheism ftw! God sucks.

*offtopic* Do dinosaurs even crop up in the Bible? Or is that a statement so heinous I should be sent to Bible camp straight away? *Gets beaten by dog collars*

People can believe whatever they want. Its none of your business what they believe in... or don't believe in.

And atheism is just as logical as Christianity or any other monotheistic (or related) religion. It is the belief in something (the belief that God does not exist) without having actual tangible evidence to support it.
foxhound_fox

The truth is in the bold ^_^ A persons belief should be there own, nothing more, if you can't think for yourself your a fool ;)

People can believe whatever they want. Its none of your business what they believe in... or don't believe in.

And atheism is just as logical as Christianity or any other monotheistic (or related) religion. It is the belief in something (the belief that God does not exist) without having actual tangible evidence to support it.
foxhound_fox

Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or god

Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or goderc500

[QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godfoxhound_fox

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

i wouldn't say they're "converting" to atheism.. as if atheism itself is a religion with traditions, beliefs, and rites to be exercised..

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

erc500

I totally agree with this, especially the parts highlighted in bold.

perhaps, irrespective of the existance of god or anything else, people beleived in order to fill a hole that they feel is filled by the rest of society as it stands.

also can we start getting a lock on Atheisim/Creationism sucks/is the sh*ts threads? there is a new one every day and frankly it is just an excuse for extremes to come out and flame one another. Or am i alone in the bordum?

Who knows.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or goderc500

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

i don't belive in any religion or cult i think for my self i find atheism false as it tells you to be logical well if all humans were logical wouldn't the world be filled ideas that stay in the boxPoshkidney

There is no possible way to approach the concept of God in a logical manner. If you believe He exists, then you have no proof for it, and that is illogical. If not, then you are distorting the usage of science, and that too is illogical. Atheists are described as the more logical people; This simply is not the case.

[QUOTE="erc500"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godSilver_Dragon17

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

"God" is only supernatural if you believe in him. For me, there is nothing supernatural, just things that are currently inexplicable. Just because something can't be explained is no reason to give it supernatural attributes. That is illogical

"God" is only supernatural if you believe in him. For me, there is nothing supernatural, just things that are currently inexplicable. Just because something can't be explained is no reason to give it supernatural attributes. That is illogical

God is not called supernatural because He can't be explained. . .Supernatural.

[QUOTE="erc500"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godSilver_Dragon17

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Decessus

I never said anything to the contrary. However, the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical, for the reasons I gave, and I am rather sick of it being preached as otherwise.

[QUOTE="erc500"]

"God" is only supernatural if you believe in him. For me, there is nothing supernatural, just things that are currently inexplicable. Just because something can't be explained is no reason to give it supernatural attributes. That is illogicalSilver_Dragon17

God is not called supernatural because He can't be explained. . .Supernatural.

At one point lightning couldnt be explained. Is it supernatural?

Black holes are still largely unknown. Are they supernatural?

Just because something can't be explained doesnt mean it is supernatural. Attributing inexplicable things to some higher being is fuzzy logic.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="erc500"]

"God" is only supernatural if you believe in him. For me, there is nothing supernatural, just things that are currently inexplicable. Just because something can't be explained is no reason to give it supernatural attributes. That is illogicalerc500

God is not called supernatural because He can't be explained. . .Supernatural.

At one point lightning couldnt be explained. Is it supernatural?

Black holes are still largely unknown. Are they supernatural?

Just because something can't be explained doesnt mean it is supernatural. Attributing inexplicable things to some higher being is fuzzy logic.

Uh, I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

God is NOT supernatural because He cannot be explained; He fits the meaning of supernatural! Did you even read the link?!

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"]i don't belive in any religion or cult i think for my self i find atheism false as it tells you to be logical well if all humans were logical wouldn't the world be filled ideas that stay in the boxSilver_Dragon17

There is no possible way to approach the concept of God in a logical manner. If you believe He exists, then you have no proof for it, and that is illogical. If not, then you are distorting the usage of science, and that too is illogical. Atheists are described as the more logical people; This simply is not the case.

well if you look at Atheism thats a lots of bull really becuase you can't invent things logically becuase they may work in a logical way but those who invent things like aeroplanes and television had to be nuts to think of such a thing but now they are things that exsist and find them normal back in medival times a bloke dremt of a carige that would need horses to move (car) a wooden bird that could take people to places (aeroplane) there you go you need you logic to back up the unlogical before people except it proof really we want proof that such a thing exsists.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="erc500"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godDecessus

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

athism is unprovable.....u failkilltactics

The only time an Atheist needs to actually prove anything is when he flat-out states God does not exist.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Silver_Dragon17

I never said anything to the contrary. However, the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical, for the reasons I gave, and I am rather sick of it being preached as otherwise.

I don't think its illogical. After all, what does it mean for something to exist?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Decessus

I never said anything to the contrary. However, the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical, for the reasons I gave, and I am rather sick of it being preached as otherwise.

I don't think its illogical. After all, what does it mean for something to exist?

I have no idea.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Silver_Dragon17

I never said anything to the contrary. However, the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical, for the reasons I gave, and I am rather sick of it being preached as otherwise.

I don't think its illogical. After all, what does it mean for something to exist?

I have no idea.

If you have no idea, then on what grounds can you claim the denial of God's existence as being illogical?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Decessus

I never said anything to the contrary. However, the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical, for the reasons I gave, and I am rather sick of it being preached as otherwise.

I don't think its illogical. After all, what does it mean for something to exist?

I have no idea.

If you have no idea, then on what grounds can you claim the denial of God's existence as being illogical?

The denial of God's existence BASED ON LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR HIS EXISTENCE is illogical. That is what I said.

Any other reason you have for denying His existence would be because it makes you feel comfortable, or you dislike Him for some reason, etc.

The denial of God's existence BASED ON LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR HIS EXISTENCE is illogical. That is what I said.

Any other reason you have for denying His existence would be because it makes you feel comfortable, or you dislike Him for some reason, etc.

Silver_Dragon17

Actually, what you said was

the belief that God does not exist is just as illogical.

That is what I was responding to. I agree that you cannot claim God does not exist simply because there is no evidence for his existence. It is possible to claim that until evidence is presented, you will not believe he exists however. That is a perfectly valid stance.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="erc500"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godkilltactics

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Atheism doesn't need to be proven, it's not a belief.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="erc500"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="erc500"]Just to clear this up one more time, atheism is not a belief in anything. Belief does not come in to it at all. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or godDecessus

No. What i'm saying is for atheists there is no thought about whether or not god exists because as far as current evidence shows there is no god.It is not up to us to prove god does not exist. It is up to the proponents of a theory, in this case the existence of god, to prove it.

Atheists do not need to believe there is no god when there is no evidence for his existence. It is the default state of sceptism all of us should be in

This logic only applies to the natural. God, being supernatural, is by definition unprovable. To not believe in God just because there is no evidence is illogical.

The very fact that God's existence is unproveable shows how illogical the belief in God is. That is why a belief in God requires faith, and why faith is inherently irrational.

Atheism doesn't need to be proven, it's not a belief.

you believe everything ever created was through natural events... u can't prove itkilltactics

That's naturalism, not atheism. Try again.

Atheism has no real purpose. Unless thatpurpose is to annoy a hell of a lot of people through flawed trivia.Total-KO

The only reason atheism is important is because theism is important. If theism did not have such a profound impact on the lives of billions of people around the world, then no one would care one bit that someone believed in God.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]Atheism has no real purpose. Unless thatpurpose is to annoy a hell of a lot of people through flawed trivia.Decessus

The only reason atheism is important is because theism is important. If theism did not have such a profound impact on the lives of billions of people around the world, then no one would care one bit that someone believed in God.

But seriously though. Stop trying to convert us.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]Atheism has no real purpose. Unless thatpurpose is to annoy a hell of a lot of people through flawed trivia.Total-KO

The only reason atheism is important is because theism is important. If theism did not have such a profound impact on the lives of billions of people around the world, then no one would care one bit that someone believed in God.

But seriously though. Stop trying to convert us.

Who's trying to convert you? Last time I checked, this was a public forum and no one is forcing you to post in it. You're free to simply skip over this topic if it's not to your liking.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]Atheism has no real purpose. Unless thatpurpose is to annoy a hell of a lot of people through flawed trivia.Decessus

The only reason atheism is important is because theism is important. If theism did not have such a profound impact on the lives of billions of people around the world, then no one would care one bit that someone believed in God.

But seriously though. Stop trying to convert us.

Who's trying to convert you? Last time I checked, this was a public forum and no one is forcing you to post in it. You're free to simply skip over this topic if it's not to your liking.

When my beliefs are being attacked, then no, I can't simply skip the topic.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]Atheism has no real purpose. Unless thatpurpose is to annoy a hell of a lot of people through flawed trivia.Total-KO

The only reason atheism is important is because theism is important. If theism did not have such a profound impact on the lives of billions of people around the world, then no one would care one bit that someone believed in God.

But seriously though. Stop trying to convert us.

Who's trying to convert you? Last time I checked, this was a public forum and no one is forcing you to post in it. You're free to simply skip over this topic if it's not to your liking.

When my beliefs are being attacked, then no, I can't simply skip the topic.

Then don't complain about people trying to "convert you", whatever that means.

You get free cheesecake for doing it, see here

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Free cheesecake?!?!?!?! Oh man. . . . . .

But seriously though. Stop trying to convert us.

Total-KO

No ones trying to convert you.

....i just want people to be happy,whatever they choose to believe in.you cant be very happy arguing about religion,and trying to disprove people for there belifs.....that is what isnt logical.i reckon there is a lot of names you would call me because im saying this.but still,i guess i just look at religion from a more philisophical point of view.when i look at ones beliefs,or disbeliefs i just see if it makes them a good,happy person or not,if it doesnt,then you shouldnt do it.period.

....i just want people to be happy,whatever they choose to believe in.you cant be very happy arguing about religion,and trying to disprove people for there belifs.....that is what isnt logical.i reckon there is a lot of names you would call me because im saying this.but still,i guess i just look at religion from a more philisophical point of view.when i look at ones beliefs,or disbeliefs i just see if it makes them a good,happy person or not,if it doesnt,then you shouldnt do it.period.

guitboxdude25

That would be great if people didn't use their religious views to make decisions for other people. President Bush refuses to allow federal money to be given for stem cell research because of his religious views.