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#1 th3warr1or
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Would you convert?
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#2 samuraiguns
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No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

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#3 Serraph105
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I suspect they would since logic is what was telling them God doesn't exist in the first place now logic would be telling them the opposite

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#4 chessmaster1989
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I can't really say unless I saw the evidence... but, if I found it solid, I would convert.
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#5 Cozen4
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Then i would believe he exists though me actually converting and becoming a worshiper is a different story.
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#6 -Sun_Tzu-
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If by "convert" you mean pray and worship this newly discovered god, no I would not.
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#7 Maqda7
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

I agree. If I see him, i'll believe. Otherwise, no amount of evidence is enough to change my beliefs, simply because everything, in due time, will be explained with science.
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#8 MrPraline
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Not an easy question. If the evidence was good enough to convince me, I'd no longer be able to deny his existance. Still, I can't see myself worshipping the Christian god.
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#9 th3warr1or
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In this case, you answer to God, he doesn't answer to you. There is no reason why he should further oblige any "requests". In this scenario, he KNOWS he's real, the rest of the world KNOWS he exists. If you still choose not to believe, nobody is stopping you. Would you jump ship?
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#10 Serraph105
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No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

samuraiguns

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

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#11 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

I agree. If I see him, i'll believe. Otherwise, no amount of evidence is enough to change my beliefs, simply because everything, in due time, will be explained with science.

SCIENTIFIC Evidence?
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#12 tocool340
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No. Not unless I seen him for myself. And even if it were to be true, I wouldn't convert to christian or whatever religion since I don't like how he runs his business.........
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#13 curono
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No. But in a strict sense, Religious people would stop believing in god and they would start knowing. Faith would thus be converted into knowledge. Watch with the implications.
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#14 th3warr1or
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But technically, if everything is true, then wouldn't not believing in the Abrahamic God be quite risky, seeing as how you could probably end up down there?
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#15 ps3wizard45
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Yes, I want to believe that when I die I'm going to the kingdom in the clouds and I'd like to think that the storys of pre historic people thousands of years ago are relevant but there not... when I die Imma going in the ground...

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#16 CreasianDevaili
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No because I do not find eternity in perfection tolerable. It would rob me of the essence of time, and with that, so many things that makes being alive noticable.

Give me a life, let me do what I please based on willingly suffering/gaining consenquences, and let me cease to exist.

For that, I am as grateful as I ever could be. I wouldnt want to be sentenced without parole in the aftermath.

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#17 Ontain
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well evidence is the main reason why ppl are Atheists. sure if there's good evidence to support a God/Gods i would be able to believe but you'd also have to have evidence to which religion to make me convert.
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#18 Maqda7
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

I agree. If I see him, i'll believe. Otherwise, no amount of evidence is enough to change my beliefs, simply because everything, in due time, will be explained with science.

SCIENTIFIC Evidence?

Impossible.
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#19 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

Serraph105

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

Pretty much these. Nobody has SEEN evolution happening. Just the REMAINS of what happened.
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#20 T_P_O
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Even if he was proven somehow, I don't think I could be able to force myself to worship him.

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#21 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

Serraph105

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

God, Is an invisible entity... Evolution you can SORT OF track down through time.
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#22 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Maqda7"] I agree. If I see him, i'll believe. Otherwise, no amount of evidence is enough to change my beliefs, simply because everything, in due time, will be explained with science.Maqda7
SCIENTIFIC Evidence?

Impossible.

Well was flying not impossible 3000years ago? Were holograms not impossible too?
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#23 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

samuraiguns

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

God, Is an invisible entity... Evolution you can SORT OF track down through time.

Ah, but the whole reason people don't want to believe is because they find Christianity/Judaism/Islam too restricting is it not? I mean, if there were technically no rules and all you had to do is say "I believe", what do you stand to lose?
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#24 Espada12
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I can't really say unless I saw the evidence... but, if I found it solid, I would convert.chessmaster1989

This is why if there were a god he would never reveal himself. Faith is the basis of religion, revealing himself would only bring unwilling non-believers toward him in fear of judgement. Either way if he were discovered it certainly would be a great day.

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#25 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

God, Is an invisible entity... Evolution you can SORT OF track down through time.

however in this hypothetical you do have substantial evidence so I don't really see your logic.
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#26 x-chump-x
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No. But in a strict sense, Religious people would stop believing in god and they would start knowing. Faith would thus be converted into knowledge. Watch with the implications.curono
Woah, i totally and completely agree with this! And plus one person's idea of 'substancial evidence' could be completely different to another.
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#27 jimmyjammer69
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It would have to be a bit more watertight than Christ's-face-on-a-pickle substantial. If it was compelling enough, I'd be pretty foolish to deny it. There seems to be this weird myth that atheists choose what they believe in.

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I would accept that he exist, but not worshipping him.
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I would believe that God existed in that case; I would not worship Him, however.
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#30 _Tobli_
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If i found the evidence to be solid. I would accept it's existence, but i probably wouldn't worship it.

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#31 DucksBrains
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

Serraph105

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

Someone didn't use their dictionary. :roll:

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#32 MrPraline
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In this case, you answer to God, he doesn't answer to you. There is no reason why he should further oblige any "requests". In this scenario, he KNOWS he's real, the rest of the world KNOWS he exists. If you still choose not to believe, nobody is stopping you. Would you jump ship? th3warr1or
I'd believe he exists, but most likely wouldn't worship him.
But technically, if everything is true, then wouldn't not believing in the Abrahamic God be quite risky, seeing as how you could probably end up down there? th3warr1or
Yes, but I'd be screwed either way, since an omniscient god would know I'm not being sincere.
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#33 Lockedge
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Sure. But I would have to see it with my own eyes.
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#34 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

Serraph105

God, Is an invisible entity... Evolution you can SORT OF track down through time.

however in this hypothetical you do have substantial evidence so I don't really see your logic.

I am confused...that means that god and evolution is on the same level?

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[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] SCIENTIFIC Evidence? th3warr1or
Impossible.

Well was flying not impossible 3000years ago? Were holograms not impossible too?

Those are irrelevant. Logically speaking, no science can really prove with substantial evidence that god exists.
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#36 Dr_Brocoli
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No, cause that will never happen; assuming it did, to be fair, no. No you ask? God is evil simple as that. And i refuse to be his sabordinate. hail satan!
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#37 KittenNipples
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Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

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#38 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

No, substantial evidence...

I want to see him myself.

th3warr1or

but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

Pretty much these. Nobody has SEEN evolution happening. Just the REMAINS of what happened.

well we've seen evolution on the microscopic level. but if we're talking about large animals that a process that takes millions of years. there may be no one point along that time that we can say "oh here's the point where it's now another species" because it's gradual. but we can track the process like slideshows with fossil records and dna.

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Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

KittenNipples
Clearly, it is neither "evidence enough" for either the existence or non-existence of God
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obviously

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#41 Cozen4
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Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

KittenNipples
evidence that the flying spaghetti monster exists?
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This is why if there were a god he would never reveal himself. Faith is the basis of religion, revealing himself would only bring unwilling non-believers toward him in fear of judgement. Either way if he were discovered it certainly would be a great day.

Espada12
Well said.

If i found the evidence to be solid. I would accept it's existence, but i probably wouldn't worship it.

_Tobli_
I would accept that he exist, but not worshipping him.horgen123
Wouldn't that be quite silly, since your fate(and in hence if he exists, afterlife and eternal punishment and stuff is real) is kinda in his hands lol.
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#43 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="KittenNipples"]

Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

Cozen4
evidence that the flying spaghetti monster exists?

It does actually, so does the Sandgoose and Munchkops.
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#44 MrPraline
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Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

KittenNipples
lol, teleological argument. :V No, I don't think it's evidence enough for a God.
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#45 _Tobli_
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Ah, but the whole reason people don't want to believe is because they find Christianity/Judaism/Islam too restricting is it not? I mean, if there were technically no rules and all you had to do is say "I believe", what do you stand to lose? th3warr1or

These are some weird assumptions on the reasonings for the lack of belief in abrahamic religions.

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#46 Cozen4
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[QUOTE="Cozen4"][QUOTE="KittenNipples"]

Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

th3warr1or
evidence that the flying spaghetti monster exists?

It does actually, so does the Sandgoose and Munchkops.

I knew it! just wait until everyone hears about this!
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] but people believe in evolution due to substantial evidence despite the fact it remains a theory. Why not God?

Pretty much these. Nobody has SEEN evolution happening. Just the REMAINS of what happened.

well we've seen evolution on the microscopic level. but if we're talking about large animals that a process that takes millions of years. there may be no one point along that time that we can say "oh here's the point where it's now another species" because it's gradual. but we can track the process like slideshows with fossil records and dna.

Exactly.
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Wouldn't that be quite silly, since your fate(and in hence if he exists, afterlife and eternal punishment and stuff is real) is kinda in his hands lol.th3warr1or

Not really..., I think it's just as silly how you presume all those things based on the most common gods in our culture.

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#49 Ontain
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Look around you. Look at this planet. Look at us. Is that not evidence enough?

KittenNipples
if i look at the universe I see how we are less than insignificant. why would a God create endless planets and star systems all just to decorate our sky? also if i look at our body I would say there's pretty stupid design. why is our waste system the same place as our pleasure? sounds pretty stupid. why don't we have separate tubes for breathing and eating so we don't choke? other mammals have that. why do we have vestigial organs?
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Wouldn't that be quite silly, since your fate(and in hence if he exists, afterlife and eternal punishment and stuff is real) is kinda in his hands lol._Tobli_

Not really..., I think it's just as silly how you presume all those things based on the most common gods in our culture.

Well I did mention that the God I was referring to was the God of the Abrahamic faiths, so how is that silly? O.o