Atheists, why not pick a Religion?

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

The idea of a fairy floating up in the sky is idiotic, that is not what God is.foxhound_fox


You can't make a value jugment on other people's beliefs. What if someone believed there was a fairy god up in the sky? Are you calling them "idiotic" for not having the same conceptualization of the supernatural as you?

So why not give Jesus a try? I mean it can't hurt anything if you just look into it.GameGuy642003

Most people on here who have become atheists, came from a Christian background following negative experiences... so they've already given Jesus a try, and found that he doesn't do anything for them.

So all I'm saying is go try God out, it wont hurt anything. If you go searching he will find you.GameGuy642003

Not necessarily... many people "try God" all the time (myself included) and find that the religion just doesn't work like how you and many others think it does.

I said that the idea of a fairy floating up in the sky is idiotic because I was quoting what someone else said I did not put Quotes around it I apologize.

And yes you are true there are people that come from a religious background and find that it doesn't work for them, I know a couple myself. A reason for it is because these people blame God for bad things that happen to them, I do not know if this is also your case I do not know I am not saying it is. I am saying that people blame God for putting hardships in their life and are turned away from Him. Is this because these people expect that following God will be easy or it will make life easier? Maybe people believe that. But the fact is following God will make your life harder and you will experience much more hardships in your life. If following God was easy and everything came your way and you never had to suffer through anything there would be many more believers no doubt. But believing and followinng God is not easy, maybe that is a reason people are turned off by religion.

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And yes you are true there are people that come from a religious background and find that it doesn't work for them, I know a couple myself. A reason for it is because these people blame God for bad things that happen to them, I do not know if this is also your case I do not know I am not saying it is. I am saying that people blame God for putting hardships in their life and are turned away from Him. Is this because these people expect that following God will be easy or it will make life easier? Maybe people believe that. But the fact is following God will make your life harder and you will experience much more hardships in your life. If following God was easy and everything came your way and you never had to suffer through anything there would be many more believers no doubt. But believing and followinng God is not easy, maybe that is a reason people are turned off by religion.

GameGuy642003

-what?

-imo it is easy and there are too many Catholics. And you are saying that because its not easy to "believe" something people become Atheists? It couldn't possibly have been the "there's no evidence" thing could it?

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

And yes you are true there are people that come from a religious background and find that it doesn't work for them, I know a couple myself. A reason for it is because these people blame God for bad things that happen to them, I do not know if this is also your case I do not know I am not saying it is. I am saying that people blame God for putting hardships in their life and are turned away from Him. Is this because these people expect that following God will be easy or it will make life easier? Maybe people believe that. But the fact is following God will make your life harder and you will experience much more hardships in your life. If following God was easy and everything came your way and you never had to suffer through anything there would be many more believers no doubt. But believing and followinng God is not easy, maybe that is a reason people are turned off by religion.

smc91352

-what?

-imo it is easy and there are too many Catholics. And you are saying that because its not easy to "believe" something people become Atheists? It couldn't possibly have been the "there's no evidence" thing could it?

Im saying some people blame God for bad things that happen to them, that is what I am saying.

I could have been more clear, you are right by saying that being in a religion is easy. But what I meant was that following God is hard, because if one wants to follow God it takes much more than being part of a religion. A person could say "look at me I'm a Christian" but that person could care less about what God's will is. That person could say he/she is a Christian merrily because he/she thinks it will give them eternal life after death, that person is mis-understanding what it means to be a Christian.

I said that people become Atheists because it is not easy to "believe", I also said that people become or are Atheists because "there's no evidence", I was just talking about different reasons for why people become Atheists, there are many more reasons why I was just elaborating on just a few. I was not saying these are the only ways just explaining these reasons that is all.

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I have no contingency plan for the day of my passing, whatever happens... well happens. There is no solice to be found within religion from my experience.

I'm no Athiest, i just live my life.

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#256 smc91352
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

And yes you are true there are people that come from a religious background and find that it doesn't work for them, I know a couple myself. A reason for it is because these people blame God for bad things that happen to them, I do not know if this is also your case I do not know I am not saying it is. I am saying that people blame God for putting hardships in their life and are turned away from Him. Is this because these people expect that following God will be easy or it will make life easier? Maybe people believe that. But the fact is following God will make your life harder and you will experience much more hardships in your life. If following God was easy and everything came your way and you never had to suffer through anything there would be many more believers no doubt. But believing and followinng God is not easy, maybe that is a reason people are turned off by religion.

GameGuy642003

-what?

-imo it is easy and there are too many Catholics. And you are saying that because its not easy to "believe" something people become Atheists? It couldn't possibly have been the "there's no evidence" thing could it?

Im saying some people blame God for bad things that happen to them, that is what I am saying.

I could have been more clear, you are right by saying that being in a religion is easy. But what I meant was that following God is hard, because if one wants to follow God it takes much more than being part of a religion. A person could say "look at me I'm a Christian" but that person could care less about what God's will is. That person could say he/she is a Christian merrily because he/she thinks it will give them eternal life after death, that person is mis-understanding what it means to be a Christian.

I said that people become Atheists because it is not easy to "believe", I also said that people become or are Atheists because "there's no evidence", I was just talking about different reasons for why people become Atheists, there are many more reasons why I was just elaborating on just a few. I was not saying these are the only ways just explaining these reasons that is all.

you don't convince yourself that god doesn't exist because the 10 commandments are too hard to follow.

you can still be Christian if you're not practicing obedience to the god you believe in.

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#258 smc91352
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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

Just incase your wrong and something DOES exist out there, they wouldnt be happy you dont believe in them lol

Maybe create your own religion that believes in every religion just incase ya know?

GinoNYC

You really don't understand the entire point of atheism very well, do you?

To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?

this.

Atheists show more morals than the Pope ever has.

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

Just incase your wrong and something DOES exist out there, they wouldnt be happy you dont believe in them lol

Maybe create your own religion that believes in every religion just incase ya know?

GinoNYC

You really don't understand the entire point of atheism very well, do you?

To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?

nice ASSumption of atheism

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

I said that people become Atheists because it is not easy to "believe", I also said that people become or are Atheists because "there's no evidence", I was just talking about different reasons for why people become Atheists, there are many more reasons why I was just elaborating on just a few. I was not saying these are the only ways just explaining these reasons that is all.

smc91352

you don't convince yourself that god doesn't exist because the 10 commandments are too hard to follow.

you can still be Christian if you're not practicing obedience to the god you believe in.

No, I am not talking about the ten commandments when I talk about believing in God, yes the ten commandments are God's laws. But remember that Jesus did come and he taught something totally different, he said that one does not need to follow the ten commandments to gain God's acceptance, he says all you need is to believe in Him.

If God required people to follow his ten commandments as the only way into Heaven then no one would get in, it would be impossible. We will always fall short we will always brake one of these laws because we are human. So Jesus came and he says that we are not required to do anything but just believe in Him and know he is the savior. That is what I meant when I said it is hard for people to believe, because people dont understand that to believe is not just obeying a set of laws but to believe that Jesus is the savior.

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meh, I don't like gambling. I'll stick with logic and reasoning for the time being.
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#262 smc91352
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

I said that people become Atheists because it is not easy to "believe", I also said that people become or are Atheists because "there's no evidence", I was just talking about different reasons for why people become Atheists, there are many more reasons why I was just elaborating on just a few. I was not saying these are the only ways just explaining these reasons that is all.

GameGuy642003

you don't convince yourself that god doesn't exist because the 10 commandments are too hard to follow.

you can still be Christian if you're not practicing obedience to the god you believe in.

No, I am not talking about the ten commandments when I talk about believing in God, yes the ten commandments are God's laws. But remember that Jesus did come and he taught something totally different, he said that one does not need to follow the ten commandments to gain God's acceptance, he says all you need is to believe in Him.

If God required people to follow his ten commandments as the only way into Heaven then no one would get in, it would be impossible. We will always fall short we will always brake one of these laws because we are human. So Jesus came and he says that we are not required to do anything but just believe in Him and know he is the savior. That is what I meant when I said it is hard for people to believe, because people dont understand that to believe is not just obeying a set of laws but to believe that Jesus is the savior.

I was using the 10 commandments as an example...

You say all you have to do is believe in god and you're a Christian? If you're not following that rule, were you EVER a a Christian?

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#263 cee1gee
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[QUOTE="GinoNYC"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"] You really don't understand the entire point of atheism very well, do you?smc91352

To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?

this.

Atheists show more morals than the Pope ever has.

^lol funny link, but u should of posted a link with the evidence of atheists having more morals than the pope
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"] To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?cee1gee

this.

Atheists show more morals than the Pope ever has.

^lol funny link, but u should of posted a link with the evidence of atheists having more morals than the pope

I would have to agree with you but the the Billy Madison video also works.

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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"] To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?cee1gee

this.

Atheists show more morals than the Pope ever has.

^lol funny link, but u should of posted a link with the evidence of atheists having more morals than the pope

It could easily be posited that atheists have just as strong if not stronger moral code, considering they behave without the fear of being reprimanded in the afterlife.
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

you don't convince yourself that god doesn't exist because the 10 commandments are too hard to follow.

you can still be Christian if you're not practicing obedience to the god you believe in.

smc91352

No, I am not talking about the ten commandments when I talk about believing in God, yes the ten commandments are God's laws. But remember that Jesus did come and he taught something totally different, he said that one does not need to follow the ten commandments to gain God's acceptance, he says all you need is to believe in Him.

If God required people to follow his ten commandments as the only way into Heaven then no one would get in, it would be impossible. We will always fall short we will always brake one of these laws because we are human. So Jesus came and he says that we are not required to do anything but just believe in Him and know he is the savior. That is what I meant when I said it is hard for people to believe, because people dont understand that to believe is not just obeying a set of laws but to believe that Jesus is the savior.

I was using the 10 commandments as an example...

You say all you have to do is believe in god and you're a Christian? If you're not following that rule, were you EVER a a Christian?

The definition of a Christian has never been defined. Being a christian means that you follow Jesus and his teachings and accepting him as the Lord. Believing in God is not a rule. A rule is something you have to follow, it is something you are required to do. Believing in God is a choice, and because of Jesus and what He did people can get into heaven just for having faith in Him, not by any actions that one can accomplish. For example in the Old Testament one was required to sacrifice an animal to prove their faith to God, nobody has to do anything like that now.

I can not explain everything that is involved with being a Christian because I just don't know everything so if I don't eloborate on a certain point it is not because of arragence it is because I simply do not know all that there is to know.

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#267 TiaN666
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Because there is so many gods out there to choose from, which one is the safest one? i mean if i choose judaism I may go to the christian's hell and so on... there is the same amount of proof (or lack of it) of their god's existence, i feel safer just by being a good person without expecting a heaven in exchange for my good actions.
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Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

Just incase your wrong and something DOES exist out there, they wouldnt be happy you dont believe in them lol

Maybe create your own religion that believes in every religion just incase ya know?

GinoNYC
You really don't understand the entire point of atheism very well, do you?

To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?

Wow, pissing on others beliefs? Let's say your a Catholic for example. You think, or should, that Muslims, Hindu's, and all other religions are false, which in turn makes you an Atheist to every other belief set but the one you believe in. So an insult and a totally incorrect statement, IMO.
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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="GinoNYC"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"] You really don't understand the entire point of atheism very well, do you?

To be a moral-less, self-righteous douche who pisses on other peoples' beliefs? amirite? What do I win?

Wow, pissing on others beliefs? Let's say your a Catholic for example. You think, or should, that Muslims, Hindu's, and all other religions are false, which in turn makes you an Atheist to every other belief set but the one you believe in. So an insult and a totally incorrect statement, IMO.

I doubt he realizes an atheist only believes in one less god than most religious people do. That is a point not to be just swept under the rug so to speak.
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Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

AnnoyedDragon

No picking the right religion isnt the point here. There is no "get out of jail/Hell free card" thing for religion that is not what it is about. God knows the intentions of every human of course he is not going to fall for "just in case" believers. What God wants is for people to just love Him and believe in Him. God wants a relationship with us, one way we can think of God is that he is like a father and we are his children. Yes God is seen as an almighty ruler who punishes those who sin, and yes he is that, He is almighty He is God. But there is also so much more to Him we humans can't even comprehend, that is why there are so many debates like this topic about religion and God and so forth.

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

GameGuy642003

No picking the right religion isnt the point here. There is no "get out of jail/Hell free card" thing for religion that is not what it is about. God knows the intentions of every human of course he is not going to fall for "just in case" believers. What God wants is for people to just love Him and believe in Him. God wants a relationship with us, one way we can think of God is that he is like a father and we are his children. Yes God is seen as an almighty ruler who punishes those who sin, and yes he is that, He is almighty He is God. But there is also so much more to Him we humans can't even comprehend, that is why there are so many debates like this topic about religion and God and so forth.

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

you mean your god

wanting (or demanding) love isn't something that puts "god" on our level?

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Just incase your wrong and something DOES exist out there, they wouldnt be happy you dont believe in them lol

Maybe create your own religion that believes in every religion just incase ya know?

cee1gee

if there is a god, I think he'd be cool with it. If he does in fact send me to hell, despite me being a good person, then do I really want to be on his side?

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#274 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

smc91352

No picking the right religion isnt the point here. There is no "get out of jail/Hell free card" thing for religion that is not what it is about. God knows the intentions of every human of course he is not going to fall for "just in case" believers. What God wants is for people to just love Him and believe in Him. God wants a relationship with us, one way we can think of God is that he is like a father and we are his children. Yes God is seen as an almighty ruler who punishes those who sin, and yes he is that, He is almighty He is God. But there is also so much more to Him we humans can't even comprehend, that is why there are so many debates like this topic about religion and God and so forth.

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

you mean your god

wanting (or demanding) love isn't something that puts "god" on our level?

I also thought we were made in his image :|

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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

GameGuy642003

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

I'm not frustrated. I doubt the existence of god because there is zero evidence or reason for me to think otherwise.

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

smc91352

No picking the right religion isnt the point here. There is no "get out of jail/Hell free card" thing for religion that is not what it is about. God knows the intentions of every human of course he is not going to fall for "just in case" believers. What God wants is for people to just love Him and believe in Him. God wants a relationship with us, one way we can think of God is that he is like a father and we are his children. Yes God is seen as an almighty ruler who punishes those who sin, and yes he is that, He is almighty He is God. But there is also so much more to Him we humans can't even comprehend, that is why there are so many debates like this topic about religion and God and so forth.

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

you mean your god

wanting (or demanding) love isn't something that puts "god" on our level?

Yes I mean My God, I believe Him to be the ONLY God, what other Gods can their be. In my opinion there is only one God.

What I am saying is people just want to understand God more fully so they can see if they can clarify things and maybe find some proof, find some answers. But this can not happen because you can't understand God fully it is impossible, that is why faith is so important and is highly emphasized in regard to religion.

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I also thought we were made in his image :|

mrbojangles25

Yes we are

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Statistically speaking the chances of picking the "right" religion are...

0.002%

Even if there was a God and you somehow picked the right religion, do people honestly expect this God to fall for "just in case" believers?

FamiBox

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

I'm not frustrated. I doubt the existence of god because there is zero evidence or reason for me to think otherwise.

yes I understand that

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#279 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I also thought we were made in his image :|

GameGuy642003

Yes we are

yet you claim we cannot understand God because we are nothing like him

I dont get how we can be made in the likeness of god, yet have nothing in common with him

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#280 tony2077ca
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I also thought we were made in his image :|

mrbojangles25

Yes we are

yet you claim we cannot understand God because we are nothing like him

I dont get how we can be made in the likeness of god, yet have nothing in common with him

ah the glory of religion making as little sense as possible
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#281 smc91352
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

No picking the right religion isnt the point here. There is no "get out of jail/Hell free card" thing for religion that is not what it is about. God knows the intentions of every human of course he is not going to fall for "just in case" believers. What God wants is for people to just love Him and believe in Him. God wants a relationship with us, one way we can think of God is that he is like a father and we are his children. Yes God is seen as an almighty ruler who punishes those who sin, and yes he is that, He is almighty He is God. But there is also so much more to Him we humans can't even comprehend, that is why there are so many debates like this topic about religion and God and so forth.

People are always doubting and trying to test God because we get so frustrated that we can't wrap our minds around God and put Him on our level. You must remember God does not act like a human, he is not bound by our rules and laws. He is God and we will never fully understand Him.

GameGuy642003

you mean your god

wanting (or demanding) love isn't something that puts "god" on our level?

Yes I mean My God, I believe Him to be the ONLY God, what other Gods can their be. In my opinion there is only one God.

What I am saying is people just want to understand God more fully so they can see if they can clarify things and maybe find some proof, find some answers. But this can not happen because you can't understand God fully it is impossible, that is why faith is so important and is highly emphasized in regard to religion.

what I was saying is that you offend people of other gods by saying "god" and not "my god"

not all gods have the same interest.

what I was saying is that at best you can say he's an oracle...defined.

and your god has the attributes of a mental abuser. I don't think that's the type of being I'd ever want to love.

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#282 deactivated-59913425220eb
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I also thought we were made in his image :|

mrbojangles25

Yes we are

yet you claim we cannot understand God because we are nothing like him

I dont get how we can be made in the likeness of god, yet have nothing in common with him

haha yes it is very hard to understand. I myself can not give a "perfect" answer to this. What I can say is we were made to be like God to be made in his image, not to be God. It is confusing it is not a simple concept to grasp I know, but God is not a simple God He never said He was.

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#283 deactivated-59913425220eb
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

you mean your god

wanting (or demanding) love isn't something that puts "god" on our level?

smc91352

Yes I mean My God, I believe Him to be the ONLY God, what other Gods can their be. In my opinion there is only one God.

What I am saying is people just want to understand God more fully so they can see if they can clarify things and maybe find some proof, find some answers. But this can not happen because you can't understand God fully it is impossible, that is why faith is so important and is highly emphasized in regard to religion.

what I was saying is that you offend people of other gods by saying "god" and not "my god"

not all gods have the same interest.

what I was saying is that at best you can say he's an oracle...defined.

and your god has the attributes of a mental abuser. I don't think that's the type of being I'd ever want to love.

Yes you are right I should have put My God.

A mental abuser? I believe He is quite the opposite. He does not force upon us anything, he never has as far as I know. What attributes are you refering too?

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#284 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

Yes we are

GameGuy642003

yet you claim we cannot understand God because we are nothing like him

I dont get how we can be made in the likeness of god, yet have nothing in common with him

haha yes it is very hard to understand. I myself can not give a "perfect" answer to this. What I can say is we were made to be like God to be made in his image, not to be God. It is confusing it is not a simple concept to grasp I know, but God is not a simple God He never said He was.

and this is why I refuse to believe in religion. It makes absolutely zero sense.

I am not criticizing you, nor to I think less of you for having faith.

I am simply saying the "leap of faith" you hold dear is just too much, and the only hand in religion's creation I see is mankind's hand, and definately not God's

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#285 deactivated-59913425220eb
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

yet you claim we cannot understand God because we are nothing like him

I dont get how we can be made in the likeness of god, yet have nothing in common with him

mrbojangles25

haha yes it is very hard to understand. I myself can not give a "perfect" answer to this. What I can say is we were made to be like God to be made in his image, not to be God. It is confusing it is not a simple concept to grasp I know, but God is not a simple God He never said He was.

and this is why I refuse to believe in religion. It makes absolutely zero sense.

I am not criticizing you, nor to I think less of you for having faith.

I am simply saying the "leap of faith" you hold dear is just too much, and the only hand in religion's creation I see is mankind's hand, and definately not God's

haha and this is where we differ. Well maybe someday something will happen that might make you think differently. But it is ok I respect what you have written.

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I don't think picking a religion "just in case" is in quite the spirit folks expect...duxup
I agree. Picking a religion just in case is not the way to go. You have to want to join, not ju8st as a backup in case you are wrong about God.
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#287 smc91352
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A mental abuser? I believe He is quite the opposite. He does not force upon us anything, he never has as far as I know. What attributes are you refering too?

GameGuy642003

first thing to pop up on google.

Isn't your god doing most of those?

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#288 deactivated-59913425220eb
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

A mental abuser? I believe He is quite the opposite. He does not force upon us anything, he never has as far as I know. What attributes are you refering too?

smc91352

first thing to pop up on google.

Isn't your god doing most of those?

I have read what it had to say and I would say no he is not doing any of these things, I am assuming you mean the list of ways to tell if someone is verbally or emotionally battering you.

first paragraph - "if your abuser has managed to make you doubt your own sanity, but it is vital to your survival and healing. Ask yourself if you are frightened of the person in question; if the answer is "yes", they may well be abusing you." This is human, not God. My God isn't making you doubt or feel guilt. It is you who is doing it to yourself, my God does not do these things.

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#289 smc91352
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

A mental abuser? I believe He is quite the opposite. He does not force upon us anything, he never has as far as I know. What attributes are you refering too?

GameGuy642003

first thing to pop up on google.

Isn't your god doing most of those?

I have read what it had to say and I would say no he is not doing any of these things, I am assuming you mean the list of ways to tell if someone is verbally or emotionally battering you.

first paragraph - "if your abuser has managed to make you doubt your own sanity, but it is vital to your survival and healing. Ask yourself if you are frightened of the person in question; if the answer is "yes", they may well be abusing you." This is human, not God. My God isn't making you doubt or feel guilt. It is you who is doing it to yourself, my God does not do these things.

Withholding: does the abuser stop speaking to you when they're displeased? do they ignore you? do they withdraw affection in order to punish you? do they blame you for this?

when was the last time the Christian god had a conversation with a man?

Countering: does the abuser tell you you're wrong if you don't agree with them? do they argue against your every thought? do they tell you your feelings are wrong? do they tell you that you don't know what you're talking about? do they forbid you from having your own opinions?

*cough*

Discounting: does the abuser ignore or disparage your feelings? do they put down your feelings? do they dismiss you with statements such as, "you're too sensitive" or "you don't have a sense of humor" or "you're just taking it wrong"?

what about the sexual feelings we get that he tells us to ignore?

Accusing and Blaming: does the abuser blame you for everything that goes wrong? do they accuse you of hurting them when you tell them your feelings? do they accuse you of having affairs? are they jealous?

*cough*

Judging and Criticizing: does the abuser find fault with everything you do? are they extremely hard to please? do they tell you you "ought" or "should" do things a certain way?

*cough*

Threatening: does the abuser threaten you, overtly or covertly? do they threaten you with violence? do they threaten you with emotional pain?

Isn't that exactly what hell is?

Ordering: does the abuser order you to do something instead of asking? do they demand things?

Love him!!!

Abusive Anger: does the abuser erupt into a rage when they are angry? do they scream, yell, or shout? do they hurl obscenities? does their body language become more aggressive? do they stomp, strut, hit things, or hit you? do they become red in the face? do they throw things? do they physically get in your way, or follow you from room to room? do they snap at you? are they usually irritable? does all of this usually take place in private, when you are alone? (It's a sure sign things are escalating if the abuser attacks you in public.) does the abuser blame you for their anger?

*cough*

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#291 GabuEx
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Withholding: does the abuser stop speaking to you when they're displeased? do they ignore you? do they withdraw affection in order to punish you? do they blame you for this?

when was the last time the Christian god had a conversation with a man?

smc91352

We are told in the Bible that God is love; therefore, whenever someone experiences love, they are experiencing God. That we don't hear a constant voice in our head does not mean that God is not communicating with us in some sense.

Countering: does the abuser tell you you're wrong if you don't agree with them? do they argue against your every thought? do they tell you your feelings are wrong? do they tell you that you don't know what you're talking about? do they forbid you from having your own opinions?

*cough*

smc91352

When a parent cautions her child against a harmful action, and out of love attempts to steer that child onto the right path, would you say that that parent is abusing her child?

I would at least hope not.

Discounting: does the abuser ignore or disparage your feelings? do they put down your feelings? do they dismiss you with statements such as, "you're too sensitive" or "you don't have a sense of humor" or "you're just taking it wrong"?

what about the sexual feelings we get that he tells us to ignore?

smc91352

The Bible certainly condemns lust, but rightly so, considering how destructive it can be when left unchecked.

Accusing and Blaming: does the abuser blame you for everything that goes wrong? do they accuse you of hurting them when you tell them your feelings? do they accuse you of having affairs? are they jealous?

*cough*

smc91352

You might want to get a doctor to look at that cough. It seems to be happening at awfully random times. :P

Judging and Criticizing: does the abuser find fault with everything you do? are they extremely hard to please? do they tell you you "ought" or "should" do things a certain way?

*cough*

smc91352

Again, back to the parent example - of course we are told how we ought to live, but that is because that is the way in which happiness may be achieved. No one would accuse a mother of being abusive for telling her son what he ought or ought not to do.

Threatening: does the abuser threaten you, overtly or covertly? do they threaten you with violence? do they threaten you with emotional pain?

Isn't that exactly what hell is?

smc91352

Properly translated, the Bible does not speak a single word about a place in which eternal torture happens. Above all, we are told to do everything we do in live out of love. Although the Bible does speak of punishment, the Greek specifically identifies it as "chastisement" - that is, corrective punishment whose purpose is to improve the one being punsihed... again, much as a mother might punish her child.

Ordering: does the abuser order you to do something instead of asking? do they demand things?

Love him!!!

smc91352

"We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother." (1 John 4:19-21)

I don't exactly see terrible tyranny in this.

Abusive Anger: does the abuser erupt into a rage when they are angry? do they scream, yell, or shout? do they hurl obscenities? does their body language become more aggressive? do they stomp, strut, hit things, or hit you? do they become red in the face? do they throw things? do they physically get in your way, or follow you from room to room? do they snap at you? are they usually irritable? does all of this usually take place in private, when you are alone? (It's a sure sign things are escalating if the abuser attacks you in public.) does the abuser blame you for their anger?

*cough*

smc91352

That really is a nasty cough there.

I kind of get the sense you've had some unpleasant experience with Christians attempting a bit too zealously to convince you of their beliefs. If so, I apologize on their behalf.

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#292 smc91352
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I kind of get the sense you've had some unpleasant experience with Christians attempting a bit too zealously to convince you of their beliefs. If so, I apologize on their behalf.

GabuEx

No; it was just a heat-of-the-moment thing where I heard god wants you to love him. I connect that with abuse.

I wouldn't make it an argument against religion...I just think that if someone was being abused, they should check that out.

But, I may be wrong.

And, I think I am sick...sick and tired. :P

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I kind of get the sense you've had some unpleasant experience with Christians attempting a bit too zealously to convince you of their beliefs. If so, I apologize on their behalf.

smc91352

No; it was just a heat-of-the-moment thing where I heard god wants you to love him. I connect that with abuse.

I wouldn't make it an argument against religion...I just think that if someone was being abused, they should check that out.

But, I may be wrong.

And, I think I am sick...sick and tired. :P

Ah, well I thought this was a duscussion on different views we have. If I was appearing to zealous in my discussion than I apologize I had no intention of that. I was just looking at the different views other people had and voicing what I believe. I do not see how this can anger anyone, I had no intention of convincing or converting. If I came out to strongly like "A man standing on the corner shouting repent repent" then I apologize. I just wanted to say what I had to say about what I believe in and you can read it or not no one is pushing you, again pushing my believes on someone was never my intent.

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#294 smc91352
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I kind of get the sense you've had some unpleasant experience with Christians attempting a bit too zealously to convince you of their beliefs. If so, I apologize on their behalf.

GameGuy642003

No; it was just a heat-of-the-moment thing where I heard god wants you to love him. I connect that with abuse.

I wouldn't make it an argument against religion...I just think that if someone was being abused, they should check that out.

But, I may be wrong.

And, I think I am sick...sick and tired. :P

Ah, well I thought this was a duscussion on different views we have. If I was appearing to zealous in my discussion than I apologize I had no intention of that. I was just looking at the different views other people had and voicing what I believe. I do not see how this can anger anyone, I had no intention of convincing or converting. If I came out to strongly like "A man standing on the corner shouting repent repent" then I apologize. I just wanted to say what I had to say about what I believe in and you can read it or not no one is pushing you, again pushing my believes on someone was never my intent.

oh "god" I hope you didn't get that from me...

I'm sorry if I implied that somehow.

I know you're nowhere near zealot.

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The definition of a Christian has never been defined.GameGuy642003


Well, accepting Jesus as Lord and having faith that he died on the cross for your sins and was resurrected is a pretty big part of it. I'm pretty sure everyone who believes that can be termed "Christian."

Yes I mean My God, I believe Him to be the ONLY God, what other Gods can their be. In my opinion there is only one God.GameGuy642003


Well, your opinion isn't fact.

There are many God's and gods, and all of them have equal possibility of being the "right" one.

Here is but a small fraction of them off the top of my head:

Siva, Visnu, Krsna, Sakti, Durga, Kali, Brahma, Ganesa, Vahiguru, Zeus, Ares, Hades, Aphrodite, Hermes, Hera, Odin, Thor, Frejya, Amatearasu, Izanagi, Susano, Ra, Osiris, Set, Ptah, Ahura Mazda, Enlil, Anu, Innana, Samash, Marduk, Itzamna, Chac, Avalokiteshvara... and so on.

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

No; it was just a heat-of-the-moment thing where I heard god wants you to love him. I connect that with abuse.

I wouldn't make it an argument against religion...I just think that if someone was being abused, they should check that out.

But, I may be wrong.

And, I think I am sick...sick and tired. :P

smc91352

Ah, well I thought this was a duscussion on different views we have. If I was appearing to zealous in my discussion than I apologize I had no intention of that. I was just looking at the different views other people had and voicing what I believe. I do not see how this can anger anyone, I had no intention of convincing or converting. If I came out to strongly like "A man standing on the corner shouting repent repent" then I apologize. I just wanted to say what I had to say about what I believe in and you can read it or not no one is pushing you, again pushing my believes on someone was never my intent.

oh "god" I hope you didn't get that from me...

I'm sorry if I implied that somehow.

I know you're nowhere near zealot.

Well I'm glad we are on the same page then lol. Thank you for being respectful.

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#297 krazykillaz
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I can't just decide one day to believe in a religion. It's not that simple.
[QUOTE="duxup"]I don't think picking a religion "just in case" is in quite the spirit folks expect...cee1gee
lol true, but its better than nothing right?

I would think not. If there was a god and it did want you to align with a specific religion, I'd imagine it wouldn't appreciate doing it simply because you want to avoid punishment. It's not a very honorable cause.
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#298 Goretrotter
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This is the same thing as Pascal's Wager. I choose not to pick a religion because I dont believe in God so theres no point. There is no evidence of a God, only to the contrary. The last thing I need is religion poisoning my mind.

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

The definition of a Christian has never been defined.foxhound_fox


Well, accepting Jesus as Lord and having faith that he died on the cross for your sins and was resurrected is a pretty big part of it. I'm pretty sure everyone who believes that can be termed "Christian."

Yes I mean My God, I believe Him to be the ONLY God, what other Gods can their be. In my opinion there is only one God.GameGuy642003


Well, your opinion isn't fact.

There are many God's and gods, and all of them have equal possibility of being the "right" one.

Here is but a small fraction of them off the top of my head:

Siva, Visnu, Krsna, Sakti, Durga, Kali, Brahma, Ganesa, Vahiguru, Zeus, Ares, Hades, Aphrodite, Hermes, Hera, Odin, Thor, Frejya, Amatearasu, Izanagi, Susano, Ra, Osiris, Set, Ptah, Ahura Mazda, Enlil, Anu, Innana, Samash, Marduk, Itzamna, Chac, Avalokiteshvara... and so on.

Yes accepting Jesus as Lord and have faith that he died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected is a pretty big part of it, and yes that is what pretty much everyone believes to be christian. I just didn't want to imply that that was everything there is to being a christian in case some people think differently or have different views on it.

Thats a whole lot of Gods I've never heard of most of those. From what I see some are from the Greek/Roman culture and some from the Egyption culture. It is all about what the person believes to be the right God. Believe what you will if you choose to believe in these Gods, but I believe in the One God, again it is just my opinion that I believe in the One God.

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Choosing to be part of a religion as 'insurance' is no real way to join a religion.

If there is something after our physical lives to be rewarded with, I'd assume that an atheist living a good life, friendly - loving - caring etc., wouyld be more than enough insurance. To say that a good lif isn't enough, and that you have to acknowledge this higher being before you're allowed into paradise is absurd and egotistical.

Who would want to be with that kind of god?