Ayn Rand's sudden increase in (internet) popularity?

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[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]I've already given you a calculation, haven't I? How about we try that with more reasonable figures - let's say, for example, 2% of the population is gay - a very conservative (and indeed Conservative!) estimate. We find using this that the chance of none of the saints being gay is about 0.98^10000=10^-88. Now, just to put that into perspective, that's about a hundred million times less likely than picking an atom at random from the universe, and then picking another atom, and then both being the SAME ATOM. It's so unfathomably, crushingly improbable that it alone means you are wrong.Ace6301

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why would they spend it on food when they can go to a soup kitchen for free?Snipes_2

In fact I dont even know how many in order for the existence of those shelters to be any indication.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I just posted a Link showing that a majority of Homeless people are Alcoholics. I think it's reasonable to assume that they can go to a soup kitchen for food and spend the money you gave them on Alcohol. Snipes_2

You on the other hand implied (by supporting bobapan's claim) that a homeless person will rush to buy booze in stead of food when he gets money, which in turn implies that they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary).

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[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]I've already given you a calculation, haven't I? How about we try that with more reasonable figures - let's say, for example, 2% of the population is gay - a very conservative (and indeed Conservative!) estimate. We find using this that the chance of none of the saints being gay is about 0.98^10000=10^-88. Now, just to put that into perspective, that's about a hundred million times less likely than picking an atom at random from the universe, and then picking another atom, and then both being the SAME ATOM. It's so unfathomably, crushingly improbable that it alone means you are wrong.HAHAITHINKNOT

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're using today's population in Comparison to Hundreds of years ago? You can continue to state I'm wrong without backing up your claims, just keep at it, you may one day ;)

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Not all homeless people live close to homeless people's shelters which provide food for them.

In fact I dont even know how many in order for the existence of those shelters to be any indication.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're using today's population in Comparison to Hundreds of years ago? You can continue to state I'm wrong without backing up your claims, just keep at it, you may one day ;)

Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There are Soup Kitchens all over New York City. Snipes_2

Especially for that "every city".

And after you do that, answer me how their alcoholism means they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary and other than just poviding for food).

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're using today's population in Comparison to Hundreds of years ago? You can continue to state I'm wrong without backing up your claims, just keep at it, you may one day ;)

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're using today's population in Comparison to Hundreds of years ago? You can continue to state I'm wrong without backing up your claims, just keep at it, you may one day ;)

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And New York city is the only city in the USA?

Teenaged

Especially for that "every city".

And after you do that, answer me how their alcoholism means they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary and other than just poviding for food).

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Wait are you making the claim that the amount of homosexuals per capita has increased throughout history? Link. Ace6301

"1993: The Alan Guttmacher Institute of sexually active men aged 20–39 found that 2.3% had experienced same-sex sexual activity in the last ten years, and 1.1% reported exclusive homosexual contact during that time.[20]"

"2007: Cornell University, carrying out research into sexuality amongst a representative sample of more than 20 000 young Americans, published that 14.4% of young women self-identified as being sexual and either lesbian or bisexual, whilst 5.6% of young men self-identified as being sexual and either gay or bisexua"

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Wait are you making the claim that the amount of homosexuals per capita has increased throughout history? Link. HAHAITHINKNOT

Snipes_2

I am dying here

Really

Tell my family I died in a state of pure mirth

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]:lol: You're claming the rate of homosexuality is significantly different than it was then? And yes, I'm happy to state that you're wrong when the chance of you being right is less than chance of you winning the lottery more times than there are atoms in the universe. IN A ROW. :lol:

HAHAITHINKNOT

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HAHAITHINKNOT

I am dying here

Really

Tell my family I died in a state of pure mirth

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And New York city is the only city in the USA?

Teenaged

Especially for that "every city".

And after you do that, answer me how their alcoholism means they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary and other than just poviding for food).

Here you go:

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]She makes it sound all well and good by saying that there is nothing wrong in helping other people, but if one really reads what she's saying, she is effectively saying that as long as one assures oneself that a person is not "worthy" of one's help then there is nothing wrong with not giving that person help. Couple this in with her rather clear apathy towards the plight of the impoverished and the way in which she effectively ties together poverty with failure and the implications in what she has to say seem rather evident to me.

bobaban

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Snipes_2

I am dying here

Really

Tell my family I died in a state of pure mirth

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] It's sort of Representative of each city. Every city has at least 1-5 Soup kitchens....Probably a lot more. Snipes_2

Especially for that "every city".

And after you do that, answer me how their alcoholism means they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary and other than just poviding for food).

Here you go:

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

a) the estimated population of homeless people in each city

b) How many of them each soup kitchen serves (an estimate of course based on the region radius)

Also that link hardly proves the "every city" claim of yours. ;)

No, I'm sure it's for some other unknown reason right? Snipes_2

Still waiting for that proof...Just assumptions are all I see right now.Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]You think that increases in those self-identifying as homosexual are due to population increases?

I am dying here

Really

Tell my family I died in a state of pure mirth

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]No, I'm sure it's for some other unknown reason right? HAHAITHINKNOT

Still waiting for that proof...Just assumptions are all I see right now.Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Prooooooooof?

Especially for that "every city".

And after you do that, answer me how their alcoholism means they are not worth some help (which could be non-monetary and other than just poviding for food).

Teenaged

Here you go:

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

a) the estimated population of homeless people in each city

b) How many of them each soup kitchen serves (an estimate of course based on the region radius)

Also that link hardly proves the "every city" claim of yours. ;)

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, I'm sure it's for some other unknown reason right? Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]:lol: As hypocritical as you are wrong, as usual. Some things never change.HAHAITHINKNOT

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Considering how homosexuality has actually become somewhat accepted in this day and age compared to even 17 years ago I would say he has a pretty valid point. Would you come out as a homosexual if everyone had the feelings towards it that you seem to? I really doubt most would.Ace6301

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Here you go:

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

Snipes_2

a) the estimated population of homeless people in each city

b) How many of them each soup kitchen serves (an estimate of course based on the region radius)

Also that link hardly proves the "every city" claim of yours. ;)

does it say how many homeless people are in each town/city (an estimated figure at least, I dont mind)?

(RED) No its not fair to assume that at all. Just like you dont like assumptions (seeing how you so admantly oppose them for anything) I wont accept them either. Proof, please.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] We're going on assumptions again'? These were anonymous studies.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Again point to me where in this link it states:

a) the estimated population of homeless people in each city

b) How many of them each soup kitchen serves (an estimate of course based on the region radius)

Also that link hardly proves the "every city" claim of yours. ;)

Teenaged

does it say how many homeless people are in each town/city (an estimated figure at least, I dont mind)?

(RED) No its not fair to assume that at all. Just like you dont like assumptions (seeing how you so admantly oppose them for anything) I wont accept them either. Proof, please.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Assumptions is still more than you've had in this argument. You've really done nothing other than say "there were no homosexual saints" which while difficult to prove, obviously, was shown to be a mathematical improbability even when using a conservative estimate of homosexuals per capita. If you would like to show any evidence what so ever that there was never a gay saint go right ahead, I'm sure hahaIthinknot is waiting with bated breath.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] It's a list of every states soup kitchens and homeless shelters :? I think it's fair to assume that each kitchen feeds at least 1,000 homeless people a week.Snipes_2

does it say how many homeless people are in each town/city (an estimated figure at least, I dont mind)?

(RED) No its not fair to assume that at all. Just like you dont like assumptions (seeing how you so admantly oppose them for anything) I wont accept them either. Proof, please.

Either you do that or you can stick to your assumptions.

You choose.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There's no evidence of a Saint being Homosexual. What other proof do you want?Snipes_2

Since at this point there is no tangible irrefutable proof, the arguments layed out to you about this issue is the only thing available. Counter them.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]"Absence of evidence doesnt equate to evidence of absence"

Teenaged

Since at this point there is no tangible irrefutable proof, the arguments layed out to you about this issue is the only thing available. Counter them.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Again:

does it say how many homeless people are in each town/city (an estimated figure at least, I dont mind)?

(RED) No its not fair to assume that at all. Just like you dont like assumptions (seeing how you so admantly oppose them for anything) I wont accept them either. Proof, please.

Teenaged

Either you do that or you can stick to your assumptions.

You choose.

How else can it be proved then? There's nothing to suggest any Homosexual Activities, if you want to believe some of them were Gay I'm not going to stop you. I don't believe they were though. Snipes_2

I did counter them. There's absolutely nothing to suggest they were Gay Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You want me to Look up each Soup Kitchen and how many Homeless people they feed and then compare them to the overall homeless population? That's over 100 soup kitchens...and a few hours of research...Snipes_2

Either you do that or you can stick to your assumptions.

You choose.

I am considering the possibility that a considerable number of homeless people are not close to one: either their town doesnt have one or there is not one close (and that is a problem in very big cities).

Also it is not assumption that not all cities have those soup kitchens. You should have said "major cities".

I didnt make a claim though, you did. Therefore its your job to prove that claim.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Yes.

Either you do that or you can stick to your assumptions.

You choose.

Teenaged

I am considering the possibility that a considerable number of homeless people are not close to one: either their town doesnt have one or there is not one close (and that is a problem in very big cities).

Also it is not assumption that not all cities have those soup kitchens. You should have said "major cities".

I didnt make a claim though, you did. Therefore its your job to prove that claim.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How else can it be proved then? There's nothing to suggest any Homosexual Activities, if you want to believe some of them were Gay I'm not going to stop you. I don't believe they were though. Snipes_2

Since at this point there is no tangible irrefutable proof, the arguments layed out to you about this issue is the only thing available. Counter them.

Simply by stating they are inadequate?

How are they inadequate?

(RED) What argument?

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Aren't you assuming that they don't go to soup kitchens but buy food instead with the money they are given?Snipes_2

I am considering the possibility that a considerable number of homeless people are not close to one: either their town doesnt have one or there is not one close (and that is a problem in very big cities).

Also it is not assumption that not all cities have those soup kitchens. You should have said "major cities".

I didnt make a claim though, you did. Therefore its your job to prove that claim.

All the link proves is that there are many kitchen soups in the USA in major cities.

It doesnt prove though that those kitchens cater to a considerable number of homeless people across the USA.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How else can it be proved then? There's nothing to suggest any Homosexual Activities, if you want to believe some of them were Gay I'm not going to stop you. I don't believe they were though. HAHAITHINKNOT

I did counter them. There's absolutely nothing to suggest they were Gay Snipes_2

Are you just going to keep regurgitating that quote are are you going to try and refute it? IF there is nothing to suggest or even hint at homosexuality then I think it's reasonable to say they did not engage in Homosexual activities.

Snipes_2

You know I didn't even fully realize this was the Ayn Rand topic. Why the hell is Snipes arguing here? This seems like the kind of ideology that he would be against along with the majority of OT.Ace6301

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Are you just going to keep regurgitating that quote are are you going to try and refute it? IF there is nothing to suggest or even hint at homosexuality then I think it's reasonable to say they did not engage in Homosexual activities.

Teenaged