Bachelor of Arts? Enjoy your StarBucks Barista career.

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Byshop"]Nothing, he's just trying to cover his basic spelling errors with nonsensical explanations.

-Byshop

lostrib

what does that mean? are you like stealing cable or something?

Cable money.loco145

-Byshop

I have a Bachelor of Science degree and 2 years post graduation without a job. Depends on what you are going for and what field. Shooting for healthcare myself.Pittfan666

why not work in a "shitty" job while you look for an actual job in your field

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

And then in 5 years time, the person who lived frugally at home has enough money saved up to put a good down payment on a home of his own, no debt, a vehicle, and some savings for the future; and the person who lived on his own is still getting by pay check to pay check, living in a crummy apartment with no assets or net worth.

Lonelynight

oooo, Are we just making up random scenarios? Or the guy living at home just decides to not move out, because why move out when they can just stay at home and not have to pay rent or a mortgage, they have someone to clean up after their messes.  ANd heck, when their parents die, they'll just inherit the house.  

And the person living on their own, realizes how much being broke sucks so  they work harder, advance in their field/career while living frugally, allowing them to save up the money for a downpayment on a house.  

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentPirate700

+1 Best advice so far in this thread. Suck up the blow to your pride and stay at home for as long as you can until you've established a base of contacts and experience.chrisrooR

Yeah. Having sex is totally overrated, anyway.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] +1 Best advice so far in this thread. Suck up the blow to your pride and stay at home for as long as you can until you've established a base of contacts and experience.Byshop

Yeah. Having sex is totally overrated, anyway.

-Byshop

Well, obviously granted you can have privacy. You shouldn't put yourself through years of severe financial distress just for sex. chrisrooR

I agree, it's just funny.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Byshop"]Nothing, he's just trying to cover his basic spelling errors with nonsensical explanations.

-Byshop

lostrib

what does that mean? are you like stealing cable or something?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Well, obviously granted you can have privacy. You shouldn't put yourself through years of severe financial distress just for sex. Byshop

I agree, it's just funny.

-Byshop

Too many college kids today are wasting their time going to university to socialize and learn what "interests them". Going to school is about getting a JOB!! not studying psychology cause it's interesting. I know plenty of people with a master's in Arts that work making Pitas and other fast food. There are plenty of college programs like pharmacy tech, paramedic, that are paying way more than lots of useless bachelor of arts degrees and humanities, social science, etc.

Remember the purpose of university is to GET A JOB!!! pick a field where there are jobs and it gives you the money you want to have in the future. There are numerous fields which have 0% unemployment. Even if it's not your favourite subject, You are there to WORK. Instead university kids "take it easy", and then graduate with a mountain of debt and a useless degree.

Everyone is glossing over the fact that having a shoe string budget a few years when you are younger really teaches you how to save money and manage finances.  I know a lot of people who stayed at their parents that spend like crazy now that they have a high paying job and live on their own. I'd say that I spend about half as much as them while making as much or more.  

[QUOTE="lostrib"]he one who lives with his motherLonelynight

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Well, obviously granted you can have privacy. You shouldn't put yourself through years of severe financial distress just for sex. chrisrooR

I agree, it's just funny.

-Byshop

Everyone is glossing over the fact that having a shoe string budget a few years when you are younger really teaches you how to save money and manage finances.  I know a lot of people who stayed at their parents that spend like crazy now that they have a high paying job and live on their own. I'd say that I spend about half as much as them while making as much or more.  

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentlostrib

because you're an adult, so you should be living on your own

This type of narrow-minded thinking and the spend more than you can afford culture are what's driving people from Generation Y into financial downward spirals.

I'm almost done with my B.S. and I'd say a graduate with a B.A. has just as many opportunities as I do. Yet I see nobody bashing my degree. People don't have a great grasp on what opportunities come with varying degrees.

And yes I read the article. I'm responding more to the title.

You can make it work if you stay quiet enough chrisrooR

My point was more along the lines of if you are trying to bring chicks back to your parent's house then you probably won't be gettin' any.

-Byshop

It's useful for getting into medical school. Until you don't, and then you apply to graduate school because for every person with a B.S., there is a far more useful person with a post-bac or Master's. Research positions are near impossible to find without higher credentials. There are little jobs like karyotyping in a lab, but nothing sustainable for an actual career. A decent portion of B.S. students that don't continue to graduate school, medical school, etc. end up in professions in which their actual degree doesn't matter much. UCF_Knight

I'm an IT consultant and with the exception of our college new-hires, most of the guys who've been doing it as long as I have got their BAs in completely unrelated fields (if at all). While higher education is specifically required for some fields such as medicine or law, job experience is king in other fields. I'd hire a guy with 2 years of IT consulting experience over a guy with 4 years of college any day.

-Byshop

On average, they end up in positions which pay more than someone with a Bachelors of Arts.Nibroc420

The only link I could find has a B.Sc. in Bio (what I was referring to earlier) barely making more than a B.A. in Psych.

B.Sc. Bio $34k - $105k
B.A. Psych $30k - $94k

A couple others for comparison.

B.A. English $31k - $98k
B.A. Economics $38k - $123k

There's definitely a discrepancy between the perceived usefulness and the actual pay scale. I know a lot of students that poke fun at Psych majors, but a decent majority of them will fall within the same pay scale.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]On average, they end up in positions which pay more than someone with a Bachelors of Arts.UCF_Knight

Do you have a source for this? I don't ask to be stubborn, I'm actually interested.

The only scale I could find was this one which has most a fair amount of B.A. and B.Sc. degrees close in comparison. Specifically I was talking earlier about my B.S. in Bio, which makes a tiny bit more than a B.A. in Psych.

B.Sc. Bio $34k - $105k
B.A. Psych $31k - $94k

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentone_plum

because you're an adult, so you should be living on your own

This type of narrow-minded thinking and the spend more than you can afford culture are what's driving people from Generation Y into financial downward spirals.

no, that's due to horrible parenting

I'm an IT consultant and with the exception of our college new-hires, most of the guys who've been doing it as long as I have got their BAs in completely unrelated fields (if at all). While higher education is specifically required for some fields such as medicine or law, job experience is king in other fields. I'd hire a guy with 2 years of IT consulting experience over a guy with 4 years of college any day.

-Byshop

Byshop

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentPirate700

This man speaks the truth

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentwis3boi

This man speaks the truth

there is not enough money in the world to make me want to live with my parents again

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I've said that for years. Don't be in a rush to move out of your parents house if you have a good relationship with them. You save so much money not paying for rent/mortgage and food, it's insane. If you can, stay home and save as much money as you can. Then when you have a lot of money saved and you're in a safer financial situation, move out.

lostrib

This man speaks the truth

there is not enough money in the world to make me want to live with my parents again

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I've said that for years. Don't be in a rush to move out of your parents house if you have a good relationship with them. You save so much money not paying for rent/mortgage and food, it's insane. If you can, stay home and save as much money as you can. Then when you have a lot of money saved and you're in a safer financial situation, move out.

lostrib

This man speaks the truth

there is not enough money in the world to make me want to live with my parents again

I wouldnt mind working at a Starbucks once I finish my degree.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]I more so had B.Sc CS. in mind, which is 54k-106k yearly. However it appears lawyers have a higher earning potential even if they only have a B.A.(49k-149k) Although that does seem a bit high and would require the addition of law school and passing the BAR, as opposed to a single bachelors.UCF_Knight

I'm an IT consultant and with the exception of our college new-hires, most of the guys who've been doing it as long as I have got their BAs in completely unrelated fields (if at all). While higher education is specifically required for some fields such as medicine or law, job experience is king in other fields. I'd hire a guy with 2 years of IT consulting experience over a guy with 4 years of college any day.

-Byshop

Byshop

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Yeah CS is out of my element, don't know much about that. [QUOTE="Byshop"]I'm an IT consultant and with the exception of our college new-hires, most of the guys who've been doing it as long as I have got their BAs in completely unrelated fields (if at all). While higher education is specifically required for some fields such as medicine or law, job experience is king in other fields. I'd hire a guy with 2 years of IT consulting experience over a guy with 4 years of college any day.

-Byshop

cain006

You must not know very many engineers. Over 90% of engineers at my school get jobs in their field the day of graduation.cain006

Where as B.A 's get jobs as baristas, if they're lucky enough.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="cain006"]You must not know very many engineers. Over 90% of engineers at my school get jobs in their field the day of graduation.UCF_Knight

Where as B.A 's get jobs as baristas, if they're lucky enough.Nibroc420

Where you getting that from?Nibroc420

but engineers 90% of the time have jobs or internships right out of graduation. Sometimes they'll even have jobs before even completing their degree.Nibroc420

Besides, even if i were to agree that it's simply "public perception" that suggests a B.Sc is a better degree than a B.A.; You'd have a better chance getting a job at Starbucks with the degree more people will respect.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

because you're an adult, so you should be living on your own

lostrib

This type of narrow-minded thinking and the spend more than you can afford culture are what's driving people from Generation Y into financial downward spirals.

no, that's due to horrible parenting

Parents so horrible that kids can't wait to move out without realizing that their income at Starbucks might or might not be sustainable.

There is so much to be gained outside of that piece of paper called your "degree". No matter what major- arts are even harder- but you have to network, meet people, intern- just having a degree doesn't mean much. Especially in the arts fields. I have made so much progress in my career, and I don't have my degree yet. People sobbing about not having jobs... I mean, sure, it's hard, but I question how hard people worked outside of school.

TBH if you go to college, unless it's specifically for a field like medicine or law, you should be doing it for the experience and the knowledge. College, in most cases, is not job training. My wife has a bachelor's and is one thesis away from her masters and had gone into education. I, on the other hand, have no college whatsoever. My job just bought us a new house, paid off her old condo and her student loans. My last raise was about 2/3rds or her total salary as a teacher.

-Byshop