Bachelor of Arts? Enjoy your StarBucks Barista career.

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Yeah, from what you've posted, they probably were.

You are the king of false equivalencies. Being unable to pull one's self up completely from a spectacularly sh!tty situation (aka being stuck working crappy jobs forever) != never being able to support self, and same people may well have done fine w/o trying to make life more difficult for fun. Moreover, even when people recover from that sort of situation, that is all lost money that could have gone towards school or investment, and you don't recover from getting behind on compound interest.

dude_brahmski

It is always the weak debater that must resort to insults.

I'm not insulting you. Apparently, you have managed to be successful under what many would find to be very difficult circumstances, and I can respect that. It does seem to have warped your perceptions a little, however, hence my little jab at your post. Additionally, people who do well under harsh cicumstances would have no difficulty succeeding without those arbitrarily imposed barriers, and probably to a greater degree.

I did not accuse you of insulting me. You insulted my parents by calling them sociopaths because their method of child rearing disagrees with your notion of what is proper. Given that they raised 3 kids in to hard working, productive, law abiding and successful citizens, I'd say the evidence for your insult is lacking.

What you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that I learned to be successful by facing difficult circumstances, not by being sheltered from the reality of the difficulty of life.

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It is always the weak debater that must resort to insults.

collegeboy64

I'm not insulting you. Apparently, you have managed to be successful under what many would find to be very difficult circumstances, and I can respect that. It does seem to have warped your perceptions a little, however, hence my little jab at your post. Additionally, people who do well under harsh cicumstances would have no difficulty succeeding without those arbitrarily imposed barriers, and probably to a greater degree.

I did not accuse you of insulting me. You insulted my parents by calling them sociopaths because their method of child rearing disagrees with your notion of what is proper. Given that they raised 3 kids in to hard working, productive, law abiding and successful citizens, I'd say the evidence for your insult is lacking.

What you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that I learned to be successful by facing difficult circumstances, not by being sheltered from the reality of the difficulty of life.

Perhaps I made the statement prematurely considering that I don't have all of the information with me, but the notion that a parent would let their kid fall into a situation that they wouldn't be capable of dealing with seems a touch worrisome, to say the least.

I think that you'd have done fine w/o having been tossed out of the house as soon as your parents were legally permitted to do so. Sure, the development of certain life skills invariably happens as a result, but that is a mere matter of time until they are dealt with anyway. Unnecessarily lost time and money is gone forever, though.

This guy just knows the answer to everything eh. :lol:Bloodseeker23

No answers. Just one man's opinion.

Personally I don't give a fvck how your parents raise you.

I've always wanted to work at Starbucks. Too bad you need a BA to work there now..oh well.

I have my BA in arts and i happily employed doing what i love.

It depends on the major and reputation of your college, not all BAs are created the same. Most Ivy League graduates going to work on Wall Street or management consulting are BA in economics or similar analytical majors (since most Ivy schools don't have undergraduate business). If you get a BA in art history or religious studies from a public school, you are probably out of luck.  

Uh oh, I'm double majoring in B.A. programs....layton2012

You'll have better luck finding work in China with a university degree. It's the new land of opportunity.

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It depends on the major and reputation of your college, not all BAs are created the same. Most Ivy League graduates going to work on Wall Street or management consulting are BA in economics or similar analytical majors (since most Ivy schools don't have undergraduate business). If you get a BA in art history or religious studies from a public school, you are probably out of luck.  

thegerg

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It depends on the major and reputation of your college, not all BAs are created the same. Most Ivy League graduates going to work on Wall Street or management consulting are BA in economics or similar analytical majors (since most Ivy schools don't have undergraduate business). If you get a BA in art history or religious studies from a public school, you are probably out of luck.  

thegerg

Wouldn't that mean people without a Bachelor of Arts degrees will have even worse jobs?

I dont have a problem with the arts, but today's college youth are just plain stupid.  I'm tired of hearing them whine about the lack of jobs, when they continuously pursue degrees where the options are limited.  Tech degrees are incredibly valuable.  There are some companies out there that cant hire enough people because they cant find them.  They have to bring people in from outside the country to fill these well paying tech jobs.  Industry is dying, but its being replaced in this country by jobs requiring more education. 

My boss has a BA and he owns a marketing firm where he makes millions. Ignorant stereotyping FTL.thegerg

Hey, TC... you do know that you can get a BA in a tech field, right?

The college I'm attending offers BAs in computer and information science, both of which are wide open...

...so your statement isn't 100% accurate.

I dont have a problem with the arts, but today's college youth are just plain stupid.  I'm tired of hearing them whine about the lack of jobs, when they continuously pursue degrees where the options are limited.  Tech degrees are incredibly valuable.  There are some companies out there that cant hire enough people because they cant find them.  They have to bring people in from outside the country to fill these well paying tech jobs.  Industry is dying, but its being replaced in this country by jobs requiring more education. 

sonicare

I think part of the problem is that many companies are no longer willing to train.  If you don't have exactly what they're looking for, they'll complain that no local workers meet their qualifications, and so they need to bring in outside help.  And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that these temporary foreign workers tend to be paid less than citizens.

As for the thread itself, if I had listened to the advice of those who see post-secondary education as a job factory, I'd probably be working some boring office job.  Would I be paid more?  Probably.  Do I care?  No.  I have my house paid off, all the expensive material possessions I care to have, and no debt at age 32.  It's absolutely true that some degrees will force you to work harder to make opportunities for yourself, but that does in no way mean it is impossible to parlay the degree into employment, whether it be with an organization or as self-employment.  And if you're a naturally frugal person and learn to manage and invest your money appropriately, you really can have your cake and eat it too.  I'm proof of that.

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It depends on the major and reputation of your college, not all BAs are created the same. Most Ivy League graduates going to work on Wall Street or management consulting are BA in economics or similar analytical majors (since most Ivy schools don't have undergraduate business). If you get a BA in art history or religious studies from a public school, you are probably out of luck.  

TheWalrusBeast

Goldman and JP Morgan came to Michigan State for interviews when I went there. 

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="lostrib"]he one who lives with his motherlostrib

that sounds awful

I've seen those in Japan. Three generations, sometimes four, living under the same roof. I sometimes wondered why some houses were so big in Japan, Now, I know why.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="thegerg"]My boss has a BA and he owns a marketing firm where he makes millions. Ignorant stereotyping FTL.thegerg

well if the majority of people with BAs become baristas, then your boss is the outlier

I graduated with a Theatre degree. I taught English for four years and now find myself working for a bank.

th law degress will end up with not so cool jobs. it has less to do with the degree, and more tod ow ith the person

[QUOTE="TheWalrusBeast"][QUOTE="thegerg"] "It depends on the major and reputation of your college," No, it depends mostly n the individual holding the degree.SpartanMSU

Goldman and JP Morgan came to Michigan State for interviews when I went there. 

Which divisions? I can almost guarantee you it would not be their investment banking division in a major office (New York, Chicago, etc) as MSU is not target school. I know JPM Private Banking and Commercial Banking and GS Asset Management has a lot of local branches so it could be one of those but they can't match up to the selectivity/prestige of the IBD. Of course I am talking about straight out of college here. People can break in later in their careers if they have good work experience and good graduate studies.  

[QUOTE="TheWalrusBeast"][QUOTE="thegerg"] "It depends on the major and reputation of your college," No, it depends mostly n the individual holding the degree.SpartanMSU

Goldman and JP Morgan came to Michigan State for interviews when I went there. 

That may be true, hell you went there so I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but I have NEVER seen MSU listed as a Target or even a semi-target.  Ik some people now divide up semi-target into three categories as well with high, med, and low semi-target, but still I haven't seen MSU listed anywhere I've looked.

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[QUOTE="TheWalrusBeast"] So tell me, how does one from a random public school get an investment banking analyst job out of college at Goldman Sachs without connections? I work in the management consulting industry and I know firms in finance, private equity, trading and management consulting like Boston Consulting Group, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley or Bain Capital recruit only at the Ivy League schools and other prestigious universities like Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, UChicago, etc. They get hundreds of resume for every position and if your school doesn't have a brand name, your resume goes straight to the trash. Now for other fields like engineering and medicine, it could be different. But for jobs in business, school brand definitely matters. TacticalDesire

Goldman and JP Morgan came to Michigan State for interviews when I went there. 

That may be true, hell you went there so I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but I have NEVER seen MSU listed as a Target or even a semi-target.  Ik some people now divide up semi-target into three categories as well with high, med, and low semi-target, but still I haven't seen MSU listed anywhere I've looked.

Agreed. The only public schools that people usually consider one of those targets would probably be UC Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA and maybe UNC. Even at that, probably only the first two are considered higher than a semi-target.

Sometimes they'll even have jobs before even completing their degree.Nibroc420

That was me. I was asked to rush my degree by fitting two more semesters into one, and working for them at the same time. It was a hellacious few months I don't ever hope to repeat.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentPirate700

Pretty much spot on, people are too quick to leave their parents house for school, you can save hundreds of dollars a month by just staying 2-4 years more at your parents house with no rent or half the rent you're normally paying when you move out, hell you can save up to or more than $30,000 in 3-4 years.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentlostrib

because you're an adult, so you should be living on your own

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]what's wrong with living in your mom's basement, you can save a lot on rentGuppy507

because you're an adult, so you should be living on your own

because it's sad