Bachelor of Arts? Enjoy your StarBucks Barista career.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

This type of narrow-minded thinking and the spend more than you can afford culture are what's driving people from Generation Y into financial downward spirals.

one_plum

no, that's due to horrible parenting

Parents so horrible that kids can't wait to move out without realizing that their income at Starbucks might or might not be sustainable.

life is tough

It has nothing to do with a BA degree. People of all types of degrees and majors aren't working college level jobs. Hell, I'm not either. In today's workforce, if you didn't major in engineering or something broad like business, don't count on working a college level job much less in your major.

Pirate700

Not STEMS.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Parents so horrible that kids can't wait to move out without realizing that their income at Starbucks might or might not be sustainable.

lostrib

life is tough

Life is tough when people feel they have something to prove.

Aren't most BAs teachers?

Teachers do pretty well.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

no, that's due to horrible parenting

lostrib

Parents so horrible that kids can't wait to move out without realizing that their income at Starbucks might or might not be sustainable.

life is tough

Aren't most BAs teachers?

Teachers do pretty well.

Netherscourge

Was that intended as sarcasm?

-Byshop

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Parents so horrible that kids can't wait to move out without realizing that their income at Starbucks might or might not be sustainable.

one_plum

life is tough

Life is tough when people feel they have something to prove.

yeah, i guess if you're just a lazy waste of space then life isn't too challenging

Aren't most BAs teachers?

Teachers do pretty well.

Netherscourge

not in America

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

life is tough

lostrib

Life is tough when people feel they have something to prove.

yeah, i guess if you're just a lazy waste of space then life isn't too challenging

Life's about balance first and foremost. People will not find happiness if they start doing things only because of their ego (which includes succumbing to social pressure).

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Life is tough when people feel they have something to prove.

one_plum

yeah, i guess if you're just a lazy waste of space then life isn't too challenging

Life's about balance first and foremost. People will not find happiness if they start doing things only because of their ego (which includes succumbing to social pressure).

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

yeah, i guess if you're just a lazy waste of space then life isn't too challenging

lostrib

Life's about balance first and foremost. People will not find happiness if they start doing things only because of their ego (which includes succumbing to social pressure).

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

I don't work in a coffee shop.Zeviander

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Life's about balance first and foremost. People will not find happiness if they start doing things only because of their ego (which includes succumbing to social pressure).

one_plum

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

Yes, (in the service industry at least) but they still need to be competent and hard working.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Life's about balance first and foremost. People will not find happiness if they start doing things only because of their ego (which includes succumbing to social pressure).

one_plum

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

sure, but they should aspire to be more rather than just accept working at a low end, go nowhere job and living in their mommy's basement

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

frannkzappa

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

Yes, (in the service industry at least) but they still need to be competent and hard working.

Working at Starbucks isn't the most challenging job, but I don't see how you can slack off on the job there unless if there are no customers or if the guy wants to get fired.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="lostrib"]he one who lives with his motherSTAR_Admiral

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

No, they'll just be a drag on the rest of society.

lostrib

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

sure, but they should aspire to be more rather than just accept working at a low end, go nowhere job and living in their mommy's basement

Well, this thread is about BA students... and despite popular belief, you don't just cruise through a BA program without making an effort (or maybe it depends on the major). Keep in mind that the worthlessness of some university degrees are a recent phenomenon that most of the previous generations did not even anticipate. So the ambition is (or was) there for many, but you don't get the same privileged jobs from a decade or two ago with the current economic climate.

It's easy to tell them to get better jobs, but those require additional investments in education (time and money). How are they going to afford that if you force them to spend all their income on rent and necessities?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Without people working at low-end jobs, society collapses.

one_plum

Yes, (in the service industry at least) but they still need to be competent and hard working.

Working at Starbucks isn't the most challenging job, but I don't see how you can slack off on the job there unless if there are no customers or if the guy wants to get fired.

[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]Sorry but those people are losers. If your married and have kids you should be able to support your family, not living with your parents. If you are then you have seriously failed to provide as a parent and spouse. I moved out when I was 18, paid my own bills and education. By 24(at the latest) one should be able to support themselves otherwise they have failed to become an adult. Lonelynight

Word. And some Asian societies have some of the most work-obsessed cultures in the world.

Why would anybody get a BA?

Why would anybody get a BA?

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] there are a lot of people who live with their parents even after they get married and have childrenLonelynight

That's an entirely different situation...

That's an entirely different situation...frannkzappa

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]That's an entirely different situation...Lonelynight

Most of Asia has a completely different socioeconomic system then the west (which is where this thread is focused).

Too many college kids today are wasting their time going to university to socialize and learn what "interests them". Going to school is about getting a JOB!! 

STAR_Admiral

Going to school is about going to school. Getting a job is about getting a job, and it has way more to do with social networking and knowing the right people than what kind of degree you have. If 'Morica had a solid, prestigious system of public universities, this simple truth would become more obvious to people like you, and the whole "YOU HAVE TO MAJOR IN MICOROSFT EXCEL AND WATERCOOLER CONVERSATION OR ELSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION" thing would not even be an issue. 

Getting a degree should be an option for anyone with enough talent, interest and intelligence, and this is something that can be determined by a series of intelligence and general knowledge tests (yes, whether or not intelligence can always be measured that way can be debated too, but don't be a douchebag and work with me). Money should not be an issue. Why you people are so fixated with the impossibly expensive higher education model while having a pretty damn decent public education system makes us foreign marxist communist terrorist evildoers scratch our heads in disbelief. 

Going to school is about going to school. Getting a job is about getting a job, and it has way more to do with social networking and knowing the right people than what kind of degree you have. If 'Morica had a solid, prestigious system of public universities, this simple truth would become more obvious to people like you, and the whole "YOU HAVE TO MAYOR IN MICOROSFT EXCEL AND WATERCOOLER CONVERSATION OR ELSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION" thing would not even be an issue. 

Getting a degree should be an option for anyone with enough talent, interest and intelligence, and this is something that can be determined by a series of intelligence and general knowledge tests (yes, whether or not intelligence can always be measured that way can be debated too, but don't be a douchebag and work with me). Money should not be an issue. Why you people are so fixated with the impossibly expensive higher education model while having a pretty damn decent public education system makes us foreign marxist communist terrorist evildoers scratch our heads in disbelief. 

 LordQuorthon

How exactly does someone "mayor" in Excel?

-Byshop

:P

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Going to school is about going to school. Getting a job is about getting a job, and it has way more to do with social networking and knowing the right people than what kind of degree you have. If 'Morica had a solid, prestigious system of public universities, this simple truth would become more obvious to people like you, and the whole "YOU HAVE TO MAYOR IN MICOROSFT EXCEL AND WATERCOOLER CONVERSATION OR ELSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION" thing would not even be an issue. 

Getting a degree should be an option for anyone with enough talent, interest and intelligence, and this is something that can be determined by a series of intelligence and general knowledge tests (yes, whether or not intelligence can always be measured that way can be debated too, but don't be a douchebag and work with me). Money should not be an issue. Why you people are so fixated with the impossibly expensive higher education model while having a pretty damn decent public education system makes us foreign marxist communist terrorist evildoers scratch our heads in disbelief. 

 Byshop

How exactly does someone "mayor" in Excel?

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Going to school is about going to school. Getting a job is about getting a job, and it has way more to do with social networking and knowing the right people than what kind of degree you have. If 'Morica had a solid, prestigious system of public universities, this simple truth would become more obvious to people like you, and the whole "YOU HAVE TO MAYOR IN MICOROSFT EXCEL AND WATERCOOLER CONVERSATION OR ELSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION" thing would not even be an issue. 

Getting a degree should be an option for anyone with enough talent, interest and intelligence, and this is something that can be determined by a series of intelligence and general knowledge tests (yes, whether or not intelligence can always be measured that way can be debated too, but don't be a douchebag and work with me). Money should not be an issue. Why you people are so fixated with the impossibly expensive higher education model while having a pretty damn decent public education system makes us foreign marxist communist terrorist evildoers scratch our heads in disbelief. 

 comp_atkins

How exactly does someone "mayor" in Excel?

-Byshop

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Byshop"]

How exactly does someone "mayor" in Excel?

-Byshop

cain006

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]That's an entirely different situation...Lonelynight

I would say the major difference is this: In asian cultures, generations live together to take care of one another. The younger generation are supported financially and the older generation is taken care of by the younger ones.

The vast vast majority of these kids living with mom and dad because life is too hard for them, won't be there to take care of mom and dad when they are elderly. Its a one-way street. Mom and Dad delay getting on with there later adult years when they should be enjoying their high earning capacity, instead continuing to spend it on their children. In return they get dumped in a nursing home when they are elderly and can't take care of their basic daily needs.

I'm with Lostrib on this one. The biggest favor my parents did for me was make it clear from a young age that I was not a lifetime project for them. They did a good job of raising me and my siblings, but we were expected to act like grownups and get out on our own when we graduated high school.

You learn a lot of good lessons being young and poor, but on your own. Its builds a character and a desire to improve yourself so you can improve your life.

You learn a lot of good lessons being young and poor

collegeboy64

Most certainly, not the least of which is that I should do what I can to prevent my kids from having to go through it.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

You learn a lot of good lessons being young and poor

dude_brahmski

Most certainly, not the least of which is that I should do what I can to prevent my kids from having to go through it.

Wait.

If it teaches good life lessons, why would you work to deny that experience to your children?

Where the hell did we get this idea that you should go from living comfortably at home as a child to living comfortably as a young adult? Its the struggle to make a good life for yourself that builds strength of character and belief in your own abilities.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

You learn a lot of good lessons being young and poor

collegeboy64

Most certainly, not the least of which is that I should do what I can to prevent my kids from having to go through it.

Wait.

If it teaches good life lessons, why would you work to deny that experience to your children?

Where the hell did we get this idea that you should go from living comfortably at home as a child to living comfortably as a young adult? Its the struggle to make a good life for yourself that builds strength of character and belief in your own abilities.

I would say that was the primary lesson. The rest of those lessons involved how to deal with problems that shouldn't exist anyway. There's no need to purposelessly make sh!t more of a pain in the ass than it already is. Insofar as character development is concerned, LOL.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

Most certainly, not the least of which is that I should do what I can to prevent my kids from having to go through it.

dude_brahmski

Wait.

If it teaches good life lessons, why would you work to deny that experience to your children?

Where the hell did we get this idea that you should go from living comfortably at home as a child to living comfortably as a young adult? Its the struggle to make a good life for yourself that builds strength of character and belief in your own abilities.

I would say that was the primary lesson. The rest of those lessons involved how to deal with problems that shouldn't exist anyway. There's no need to purposelessly make sh!t more of a pain in the ass than it already is. Insofar as character development is concerned, LOL.

Life can be, and often is, a pain in the ass. Sheilding your children from that fact and denying the opportunities to learn how to cope does them no favor. In fact, it does them harm.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Wait.

If it teaches good life lessons, why would you work to deny that experience to your children?

Where the hell did we get this idea that you should go from living comfortably at home as a child to living comfortably as a young adult? Its the struggle to make a good life for yourself that builds strength of character and belief in your own abilities.

collegeboy64

I would say that was the primary lesson. The rest of those lessons involved how to deal with problems that shouldn't exist anyway. There's no need to purposelessly make sh!t more of a pain in the ass than it already is. Insofar as character development is concerned, LOL.

Life can be, and often is, a pain in the ass. Sheilding your children from that fact and denying the opportunities to learn how to cope does them no favor. In fact, it does them harm.

There is a world difference in between shielding kids from the fact that life is a pain in the @ss and not subjecting them to poverty at the age of 18.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

I would say that was the primary lesson. The rest of those lessons involved how to deal with problems that shouldn't exist anyway. There's no need to purposelessly make sh!t more of a pain in the ass than it already is. Insofar as character development is concerned, LOL.

dude_brahmski

Life can be, and often is, a pain in the ass. Sheilding your children from that fact and denying the opportunities to learn how to cope does them no favor. In fact, it does them harm.

There is a world difference in between shielding kids from the fact that life is a pain in the @ss and not subjecting them to poverty at the age of 18.

Poverty is not a terminal illness. It is a current state of affairs that can be altered through hard work and self discipline. Denying your children the experience of building a comfortable life for themselves, from the ground up, is not doing them a favor.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Life can be, and often is, a pain in the ass. Sheilding your children from that fact and denying the opportunities to learn how to cope does them no favor. In fact, it does them harm.

collegeboy64

There is a world difference in between shielding kids from the fact that life is a pain in the @ss and not subjecting them to poverty at the age of 18.

Poverty is not a terminal illness. It is a current state of affairs that can be altered through hard work and self discipline. Denying your children the experience of building a comfortable life for themselves, from the ground up, is not doing them a favor.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Life can be, and often is, a pain in the ass. Sheilding your children from that fact and denying the opportunities to learn how to cope does them no favor. In fact, it does them harm.

collegeboy64

There is a world difference in between shielding kids from the fact that life is a pain in the @ss and not subjecting them to poverty at the age of 18.

Poverty is not a terminal illness. It is a current state of affairs that can be altered through hard work and self discipline. Denying your children the experience of building a comfortable life for themselves, from the ground up, is not doing them a favor.

It is a terminal illness for many. Some are capable/lucky enough to get over it. Others aren't. That said, it all but unilaterally reduce projected lifetime earnings. Upward mobility in this country is rather difficult to accomplish before socippathic parents remove any chance of kids getting a considerable head start in savings, choice of employment, school, etc. Giving your kids the best shot at succeeding in life by preventing them from not going into poverty, possibly forever, while they are still essentially kids, is a favor. Well, a bit of an understatement, but whatever.

It has nothing to do with a BA degree. People of all types of degrees and majors aren't working college level jobs. Hell, I'm not either. In today's workforce, if you didn't major in engineering or something broad like business, don't count on working a college level job much less in your major.

Pirate700

This is so true and I never quite understood why so many people refuse to go into math heavy majors like various engineering and science fields. 

As a computer engineer I got a job my senior year before graduating. I know its important to pursue something you love but its also more important to pursue something that you can actually get.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

There is a world difference in between shielding kids from the fact that life is a pain in the @ss and not subjecting them to poverty at the age of 18.

dude_brahmski

Poverty is not a terminal illness. It is a current state of affairs that can be altered through hard work and self discipline. Denying your children the experience of building a comfortable life for themselves, from the ground up, is not doing them a favor.

It is a terminal illness for many. Some are capable/lucky enough to get over it. Others aren't. That said, it all but unilaterally reduce projected lifetime earnings. Upward mobility in this country is rather difficult to accomplish before socippathic parents remove any chance of kids getting a considerable head start in savings, choice of employment, school, etc. Giving your kids the best shot at succeeding in life by preventing them from not going into poverty, possibly forever, while they are still essentially kids, is a favor. Well, a bit of an understatement, but whatever.

Wow. My parents were sociopaths. I never knew. Thanks for the insight.

If it is your child's nature to never be able to pull themselves up in life, then you are doomed to support them, cradle till grave...............your grave, not theirs.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Poverty is not a terminal illness. It is a current state of affairs that can be altered through hard work and self discipline. Denying your children the experience of building a comfortable life for themselves, from the ground up, is not doing them a favor.

collegeboy64

It is a terminal illness for many. Some are capable/lucky enough to get over it. Others aren't. That said, it all but unilaterally reduce projected lifetime earnings. Upward mobility in this country is rather difficult to accomplish before socippathic parents remove any chance of kids getting a considerable head start in savings, choice of employment, school, etc. Giving your kids the best shot at succeeding in life by preventing them from not going into poverty, possibly forever, while they are still essentially kids, is a favor. Well, a bit of an understatement, but whatever.

Wow. My parents were sociopaths. I never knew. Thanks for the insight.

If it is your child's nature to never be able to pull themselves up in life, then you are doomed to support them, cradle till grave...............your grave, not theirs.

Yeah, from what you've posted, they probably were.

You are the king of false equivalencies. Being unable to pull one's self up completely from a spectacularly sh!tty situation (aka being stuck working crappy jobs forever) != never being able to support self, and same people may well have done fine w/o trying to make life more difficult for fun. Moreover, even when people recover from that sort of situation, that is all lost money that could have gone towards school or investment, and you don't recover from getting behind on compound interest.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It is a terminal illness for many. Some are capable/lucky enough to get over it. Others aren't. That said, it all but unilaterally reduce projected lifetime earnings. Upward mobility in this country is rather difficult to accomplish before socippathic parents remove any chance of kids getting a considerable head start in savings, choice of employment, school, etc. Giving your kids the best shot at succeeding in life by preventing them from not going into poverty, possibly forever, while they are still essentially kids, is a favor. Well, a bit of an understatement, but whatever.

dude_brahmski

Wow. My parents were sociopaths. I never knew. Thanks for the insight.

If it is your child's nature to never be able to pull themselves up in life, then you are doomed to support them, cradle till grave...............your grave, not theirs.

Yeah, from what you've posted, they probably were.

You are the king of false equivalencies. Being unable to pull one's self up completely from a spectacularly sh!tty situation (aka being stuck working crappy jobs forever) != never being able to support self, and same people may well have done fine w/o trying to make life more difficult for fun. Moreover, even when people recover from that sort of situation, that is all lost money that could have gone towards school or investment, and you don't recover from getting behind on compound interest.

It is always the weak debater that must resort to insults.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Wow. My parents were sociopaths. I never knew. Thanks for the insight.

If it is your child's nature to never be able to pull themselves up in life, then you are doomed to support them, cradle till grave...............your grave, not theirs.

collegeboy64

Yeah, from what you've posted, they probably were.

You are the king of false equivalencies. Being unable to pull one's self up completely from a spectacularly sh!tty situation (aka being stuck working crappy jobs forever) != never being able to support self, and same people may well have done fine w/o trying to make life more difficult for fun. Moreover, even when people recover from that sort of situation, that is all lost money that could have gone towards school or investment, and you don't recover from getting behind on compound interest.

It is always the weak debater that must resort to insults.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Wow. My parents were sociopaths. I never knew. Thanks for the insight.

If it is your child's nature to never be able to pull themselves up in life, then you are doomed to support them, cradle till grave...............your grave, not theirs.

collegeboy64

Yeah, from what you've posted, they probably were.

You are the king of false equivalencies. Being unable to pull one's self up completely from a spectacularly sh!tty situation (aka being stuck working crappy jobs forever) != never being able to support self, and same people may well have done fine w/o trying to make life more difficult for fun. Moreover, even when people recover from that sort of situation, that is all lost money that could have gone towards school or investment, and you don't recover from getting behind on compound interest.

It is always the weak debater that must resort to insults.

I'm not insulting you. Apparently, you have managed to be successful under what many would find to be very difficult circumstances, and I can respect that. It does seem to have warped your perceptions a little, however, hence my little jab at your post. Additionally, people who do well under harsh cicumstances would have no difficulty succeeding without those arbitrarily imposed barriers, and probably to a greater degree.