Bands that really are terrible

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#251 Thyeora
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[QUOTE="Thyeora"]

I've also met my fair share of people who don't.

Cerussite

I've met quite a few people who don't know who Radiohead are, but they're still one of the most popular alternative acts on Earth.

Everyone here knows them. But then again I don't live in a very musically rich area. Most people's taste around here is limited Simple Plan, Green Day, and any other various 1-4-5-1 bar chord type bands.

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#252 LJS9502_basic
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The Cure sucks because of their "Love Will Tear Us Apart" cover.

Enough said.

MoonSpoon

That wasn't a bad cover.....most covers don't appeal to anyone that likes an original though.

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#253 MoonSpoon
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=szua7uP6agY

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#254 nintendorocks
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Paramore.

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Paramore is amazing...

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#255 Whight_Knight
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[QUOTE="MoonSpoon"]

The Cure sucks because of their "Love Will Tear Us Apart" cover.

Enough said.

LJS9502_basic

That wasn't a bad cover.....most covers don't appeal to anyone that likes an original though.

I liked it.Arcade Fire and U2 also done a cover which was good enough aswell , dunno if you seen it ? It was live ...
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#256 Cerussite
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That cover was way too close to the original.
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#257 memorials
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uhhh i think you have it the wrong way let me fix that :/

Metallica >>>>> useless trash

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oh the irony
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#258 MoonSpoon
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=9EOc71bXg_w

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#259 Whight_Knight
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That cover was way too close to the original. Cerussite

Which , the Arcade Fire/U2 one ?

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#260 saintzombie
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I dislike screamo(cant really name any specific bands)andusually dont like anything really from the 80s either.

although wether its terrible or not is a matter of opinion.
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#261 saintzombie
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The Cure sucks because of their "Love Will Tear Us Apart" cover.

Enough said.

MoonSpoon
well,i dont see howthe whole band can suck just because a cover,but yes,i didnt like the cover either.
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#262 Cerussite
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:(

MoonSpoon

That was even worse.

I'm going to (hesitantly) check out that U2+Arcade Fire one.

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#263 memorials
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:(

MoonSpoon

i could only last 47 seconds..

that was horrible.

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#264 LaidToRestt
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXS8-jLcXU
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#265 gorilazandgames
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although my opinion differs from some here... my thoughts on the worst bands ever are...

Fall Out Boy

Tokio Hotel

My Chemical Romance

U2

Creed

NickelBack

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#266 Nifty_Shark
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Snow Patrol sucks
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#267 uncledeath2005
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Don't really "hate" bands per se but....

every band in existence....:|

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#268 tzar3
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Fall Out Boy

Pretty much anthing from alt rock, indie rock, emo, screamo, todays music.

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#269 aronmauk
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Fall Out Boy

Pretty much anthing from alt rock, indie rock, emo, screamo, todays music.

tzar3

Do you hate everything then? or do you just listen to country and rap?

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#270 memorials
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

Fall Out Boy

Pretty much anthing from alt rock, indie rock, emo, screamo, todays music.

aronmauk

Do you hate everything then? or do you just listen to country and rap?

did you even notice his sig?
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#271 tzar3
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

Fall Out Boy

Pretty much anthing from alt rock, indie rock, emo, screamo, todays music.

aronmauk

Do you hate everything then? or do you just listen to country and rap?

I listen to Metal and Classic Rock, country is okay, as for rap no. I dont hate everything but some music just dosent appeal to me.

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#272 friutpunch
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fall out boy and snow patrol suck pretty badly.
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#273 evil_dutchman90
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The beatles obviously

oh, and U2.

If elvis was a band I'd add him too.

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#274 -Sniper99-
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Slipknot is Rap Metal.....

anywho

Fall Out Boy

ANY screamo band

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#275 Lief_Ericson
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new Underoath

Atreyu

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#276 usaaaaaa
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Fallout Boy

Hawthorne Heights

Green Day

Slipknot

Every mainstream bull**** band really.

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#277 Brmarlin
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[QUOTE="MoonSpoon"]

The Cure sucks because of their "Love Will Tear Us Apart" cover.

Enough said.

Cerussite

Proof?

I probably shouldn't be surprised, though. Who hasn't covered that song?

I haven't. Probably cuz I'm not in a band. Except for in Rock Band.

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#278 brettlotr
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Atreyu

Slipknot

Underoath

Job For a Cowboy

As I Lay Dying

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#279 pianist
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That's not true. You can argue about the theory behind a piece of music without ever actually knowing what exactly you're talking about. And really, no matter how much of an expert you are at all this, it really comes down to the same "I just think this" argument, except you're speaking in a more technical manner and you know what exactly you're talking about, as opposed to the average listener, who still evalutates all this, albeit, without actually knowing what most of it is.

Cerussite

This is untrue. The subjective nature of musical discussion is the choosing of what elements of the music will be focused on for the purpose of the discussion. Then the discussion becomes objective. Thus, if I were to claim that I find cIassical music superior to rock music, I would qualify HOW it is superior. I would argue that it is contrapuntally superior, that it uses greater variety of harmony, or that it is more diverse, for instance. I could then provide direct examples to illustrate this point - though of course my opponent would have to be well-versed in music to understand this illustration, as it would involve analysis of the theoretical elements in question. If you don't even know what counterpoint is, how would you defend against such an argument? You couldn't. And so all you'd be left with is "but I think it's boring" or something.

When you hear things like "I like it better" or "it just touches me a certain way" or "I like fast, loud music," none of these things demonstrate anything more than a perfunctory aural analysis of the music in question. The listener wouldn't have a clue as to how the music they like is constructed, let alone how it could be flawed, how it could work better, or how it stands in relation to another piece of music. Arguing otherwise would be like claiming that someone with no knowledge of engines would be qualified to discuss how an engine could be improved. The likely arguments you would hear are "so and so magazine said this engine is better" or "I like fast engines. The faster the better. Therefore this engine is better." And once again, neither of these arguments would carry any weight whatsoever against a competitor who was highly knowledgable of engine design.

People think that because music affects them in a certain way they must be as qualified as anyone to discuss it. They feel that all musical discussion is just about opinions, so theirs is every bit as valid as those of someone who holds a doctorate in the field. But the simple truth is that an uninformed opinion is not necessarily worth anything in the context of a musical debate. And if your 'argument' is nothing more than stating the a particular musician sucks because he sounds 'whiny,' that is totally ineffective in debate. If you were to claim instead that the musician is a technically inferior vocalist and illustrate why (maybe he has a limited tessitura, or poor control of tone in crescendos for instance), you'd be able to make a convincing argument as to why your opinion is more valid than another person's opinion.

And before you try to say "well someone else may like poor control in crescendos," I'll remind you that it IS entirely possible to define one musician's control as being superior or inferior by comparison to another musician. Were this not the case, there would be no such thing as a music competition, and we would consider amateur musicians to be as skilled in performance as professionals because some people (like their friends or parents) happen to believe they are the best musicians in the world.

The average listener does not evaluate anything beyond "that sounded good" or "that didn't sound good." They are incapable of evaluating any further, because they don't know what they're supposed to be evaluating, and so in reality, they don't know why it sounded good or did not sound good. If you don't think this is true, you need look no further than the music debates that occur here on Gamespot. Have you ever seen a true evaluation of anything when a person suggests that his taste is superior to someone else's? Or do you just see a bunch of value statements?

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#280 inyourface_12
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your list is flawed seeing as how fall out boy owns.
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#281 Buffalo_Soulja
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Pfft. Music is for lewsers. Noisecore is the way of the future.
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#282 skullkrusher13
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Cradle of Filth

Nightwish

Dragonforce

Avenged Sevenfold

Korn

Linkin Park

Atreyu

Rob Zombie

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#283 nintendorocks
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The beatles obviously

evil_dutchman90

And that's when you cross the line....

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#284 Cube_of_MooN
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Anything rap?
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#285 pianist
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Alright if a musicical arguement is what your looking for then I'll give you one.

Why Lamb of God is awesome:

1) They tastefully and intelligently utilize chromatic notes rather than sticking to the key note by note.

2) They utilize more than one meter. They do do their fair share of 4/4 but, unlike many pop bands today (and for those that don't know pop in this case refers to anything BUT classical orchestra type music). They have songs, Descending for example, that use 6/8 and other comples meters as well as dabbling in assymetric meter. I believe the breakdown in Laid Tor Rest is in 7/8. I'm not positive about that though.

3) They are NOT stupid. Mark Morton, the lead guitarist graduated from, I believe, the University of Chicago but either way, he was in the conservatory there. Also, in an interview Randy (the singer) was asked what he does to maintain his voice. He said that he doesn't do anything special but avoid straining it and said that he was no Pavarotti. I doubt most people on this forum know who Pavarotti is.

My only problem with Lamb of God:

Despite their use of chromatic notes most all of their music is in D minor/D dorian and some other occasional modal twists but still all in some variation of D. The use of more keys would be nice.

Thyeora

Good! You're on the right track - but here are some comments:

1) Your initial statement if far too broad to support with the evidence you have provided. Your claim is a general one, but your evidence is far too specific to support that claim, yet not specific enough to actually be considered evidence. I hope this is clear, because it sounds contradictory, but think of it this way - your evidence would not be considered compelling for a specific argument about Lamb of God's music because it is too general, and yet your initial claim was SO general that even this evidence is too limited (specific) to support it.

Stating that a particular group is awesome could be referring to their compositional or their performance abilities, for instance. And then, if you are speaking about composition (which seems to be the case), arguing that a group is just awesome in general would demand that you address much more of their output with your evidence. You'd be better off to make a specific claim, like "Descending is an awesome song because of its use of metre." Then you'd have to indicate why the use of metre is awesome. 6/8 isn't exactly an uncommon metre. How is it used to heighten the musical effect (in other words, how does it contribute to the piece's awesomeness)?

2) Terms like 'tastefully' and 'intelligently' can be used in musical discussion, but because they are themselves subjective, you should qualify what constitutes tasteful, intelligent use of, in this case, chromatic notes. Again, this is hardly an original idea... so what is it about this particular group that makes their chromaticism effective? Is it used to direct harmonic progressions? Is it used in a recurring way to highlight a particular motive? Does it help to clarify the large-scale form of the work in any way? If so, how? These are the sorts of questions that would need answering if we are to accept your claim that Lamb of God makes intelligent, tasteful use of chromatic notes.

3) What you seem to be arguing is that Lamb of God employs more musical variety than other bands do. Your points seem to suggest that their harmonic and rhythmic palettes are larger - and if that's the case, you should have used that as your thesis. Remember that this is the subjective part of the musical debate, and probably the most challenging part of the debate, because you have to convince your opponent that increasing the variety of a compositional palette necessarily leads to better music. Many people would disagree with that claim, saying instead that music which is overly complex is less effective, because it becomes impossible for a listener to follow the overall form.

The trick is to figure out what really makes the music you like tick (and what separates it from competing genres), then to focus your thesis on that. For instance, I don't make the argument that cIassical music is superior to popular music because it is more complex. I instead make the argument that cIassical music does a much better job of fusing variety with simplicity of expression, and as such captures the best of both worlds, rather than focusing on simplicity to such an extent that the music becomes simplistic. And in arguing that cIassical composers are superior craftsmen to metal composers, I point out that the cIassical composers I use as examples manage to achieve more cohesive form than you find in metal music.

The key is that all these claims refer specifically to perceived strengths of the opposing genre (simplicity in pop music, complexity in metal music), and all could be supported easily with musical examples. It would be easy to show that pop music is simplistic by comparison to cIassical music, because simplistic music is the result of overly limited variety. Similarly, it would be easy to argue that cIassical music is formally more cohesive than metal music because musical cohesion is understood to be motivic unity. Since metal makes very limited use of motivic development, it obviously can not compete with a genre that goes out of its way to highlight the development of motives and the connection of one section to another through motivically-driven transition passages.

4) The intelligence of the composers in question (or any other aspect of their personality) should not factor into your analysis. I could say Wagner's music is unsophisticated because he was a terrible human being, but I'd be wrong. I could say Milton Babbitt is the greatest composer of music of all time, but unless the criteria is one's ability to fuse mathematics with musical presentation, I doubt many people would support the claim.

Time-permitting, I'll try to post a short analysis of a work as a demonstration of what musical analysis really is. But I can't promise anything - this isn't exactly a quiet time for me with work and all.

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#286 Fortier
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Bands that are terrible, or bands that I think are terrible? I don't think there are any bands that universally suck, and don't have even 1 fan.
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#287 pianist
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Bands that are terrible, or bands that I think are terrible? I don't think there are any bands that universally suck, and don't have even 1 fan.Fortier

Here's someone who 'gets it.' Of course, certain bands can be recognized as superior to others with respect to certain criteria, and some are very clearly superior in every important way to others, but in the end, calling any band terrible is nothing more than a value judgement. The same goes for genres. I can argue that rap is compositionally inferior to cIassical music with respect to harmonic variety or counterpoint, but I can't successfully argue that rap is universally awful or that it is, as many people claim, not music.