[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="BoG_"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="BoG_"]Oh man, this health care argument will go the way of all health care arguments. Life expectancy is not high in america! But that is because americans are irresponsible! but watch sicko cuba is awesome! LOL michael moore really? We deserve health care all of us do! No we don't!
The worst part of it is, I think I am to blame.
My personal opinion is that in the end, no matter how you go about it, the health care system will be endlessly flawed. It is a very pessimistic view, but I don't think either way is better. Capitalism is just less flawed in this instance.BoG_
Capitalism is not less flawed. People have false notions about socialized healthcare, in that it has to be some Marxist state mandated system, which isn't true. Obama proposes subsidies and worker programs that don't make healthcare free, but rather universally affordable, which isn't an existing condition in the capitalist system. It doesn't force anyone to pay for healthcare, but it makes it affordable. That's a step in the right direction. It's perfectly reasonable to assert that the US probably couldn't support free, universal healthcare in its current state, but to deny the feasibility of pursuing affordability and progression towards socialized healthcare isn't productive.
the fact that you think America is capitalist really shows how much you know.
Please argue instead of being condescending. It makes you look smarter. The healthcare system that we operate under is based on capitalism (you can argue textbook definition semantics of "free market" all you want, but it really doesn't matter; I'm just using the basic understanding of capitalism to describe the current healthcare system), as in the purchase of insurance and the fees that are necessitated by treatment.
its really hard to not be condescending when someone believes in socialism. the bottom line is, you people try to say "this country isnt socialists, that one isnt" but every time socialism has ever happened, people suffer.
Medicare isnt capitalist
Being tied to your job for medical insurance isnt capitalist, we dont really have an open market for insurance plans. actually, if there was no insurance the price for doctor visits would go down dramatically, along with procedures. Thats the good thing about capitalism, competition. competition makes everything better.
cosmetic surgery proves this, and you can youtube sick in america to see a great documentary on real health insurance.
youll never admit it though, because you're emotionally attatched to your belief system clearly.
the fact that companies get bailed out (including health insurance companies) totally destroys the idea that this country has a capitalist system.
The problem is, the point I have asserted previously in this thread, is that both systems are very flawed. Pure capitalism would end in disaster just as pure socialism would. I do think that capitalism is the system with fewer flaws, but we've got to find that happy medium to make things work without going to either anarchy or authoritarianism.
the thing is, capitalism CAN be flawed. it really depends on the society.
Socialism is flawed by nature.
Once again I am a pessimist, as I say that humans, by nature, are also flawed. It is these flaws in nature that create the flaws in capitalism.
Also, bman, I would like your response to my last post on page 39, I think you may have missed it.
I havent really read most of the posts here, so I didnt know you were on to begin with.
as a pessimist, im sure you could understand the desire to be in control of your own life, as opposed to a group of people forcing you to use their service. at least this way others cant fail you right?
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