BBC: More than 10 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on thier house

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I mean look at Israel and its actions in the past 60 years or so, can you see any other possible outcome?GazaAli

Explain to everyone why 8 Arab nations and armies attacked Israel on the very day of it's formation then. What was Israel supposed to do when that happened? I am not for or against Israel, nor am I for or against any Arab nation. Would you not fight back if you just wanted to live in peace and you were attacked by your neighbors just for existing and on a continuous basis?

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.

I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Since Israel is an internationally recognized sovereign state, shouldn't it comply with international humanitarian law and basic human rights decency? GazaAli

Sure if the aid they allow to get into the Gaza Strip isn't used to build weapons to kill Israelis.

I am not defending Israel, I think they are stupid... What they are doing with the settlements in the West Bank is retarded and there will never be agreements with that bullsh-t... But Israel is simply trying to protect itself... People act like Israel is some kind of crazed state hell bent on killing all Arabs... They do what they do in Gaza because YOUR people ELECTED a group that has the pronounced goal of destroying the state of Israel to public office.

How would you feel if the "KILL ALL PALESTINIANS" Party took a majority in the Knesset?

I honestly don't even see any solution in the near future... With enough pressure from the US, I believe Israel could be persuaded to leave the settlements, thought it would take a lot of pressure... As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza, I don't believe Israel will take any talks seriously... And Israel will never give up Jerusalem, which will be the breaking point of any fragile talk...

It doesn't look good for the future either... Both sides want things that the otherside overwhelmingly opposes. And as long as there is violence they won't even attempt to talk, with what little it would do anyways.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hamas is anti-semitic, they fire rockets at Jews because they want to kill them regardless.

Israel didn't start the fight, they merely settled there, in fact the early Jewish settlers bought land from the Arabs.

ShadowMoses900

Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.

Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.

Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?

I hear this all the time from people on the internet.

ShadowMoses900

...Zionism is a legitimate movement.

There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.

It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate:P

no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.Darkman2007

The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?

I hear this all the time from people on the internet.

Baranga

...Zionism is a legitimate movement.

There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.

It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate:P

no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.Darkman2007

The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing.

WhiteKnight77

Gandhi denied Pakistan's legitimacy.

Denying a state's legitimacy does not mean you don't accept its reality.

I guess a full-scale Arabs vs Israel war would show otherwise, but we haven't had one of those in a while. And I doubt we'll see one soon.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I was wondering, why didn't the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza rebel against Egypt and Jordan at the time? Pan Arabism?

and Im not even sure waht Lieberman's position on this is, he says 2 things.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.

GazaAli

Conservatives do not read.

you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the nameDroidPhysX

The IDF does defend Israel and its residents..hell it defends the Palestinians too. Why would a Palestinian want Hamas to have more control?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] No genius, I'm talking about this recent fight. 2 rockets were fired into a hotel as a result of members of the IDF killing a kid.thebest31406

Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.

Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.

PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews

Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.

LordQuorthon

Conservatives do not read.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="C2N2"]

Sure if the aid they allow to get into the Gaza Strip isn't used to build weapons to kill Israelis.

I am not defending Israel, I think they are stupid... What they are doing with the settlements in the West Bank is retarded and there will never be agreements with that bullsh-t... But Israel is simply trying to protect itself... People act like Israel is some kind of crazed state hell bent on killing all Arabs... They do what they do in Gaza because YOUR people ELECTED a group that has the pronounced goal of destroying the state of Israel to public office.

How would you feel if the "KILL ALL PALESTINIANS" Party took a majority in the Knesset?

C2N2

I honestly don't even see any solution in the near future... With enough pressure from the US, I believe Israel could be persuaded to leave the settlements, thought it would take a lot of pressure... As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza, I don't believe Israel will take any talks seriously... And Israel will never give up Jerusalem, which will be the breaking point of any fragile talk...

It doesn't look good for the future either... Both sides want things that the otherside overwhelmingly opposes. And as long as there is violence they won't even attempt to talk, with what little it would do anyways.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.

LordQuorthon

Conservatives do not read.

I can not see how the United States continues to support this evil place... Let them fend for themselves out there, and own up to the misdeeds they do.

you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the nameDroidPhysX

What country is Israel attacking? None of them, that's right.

You can stop trying to fit in around here, you shouldn't care about what people on the internet think of you.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Explain to everyone why 8 Arab nations and armies attacked Israel on the very day of it's formation then. What was Israel supposed to do when that happened? I am not for or against Israel, nor am I for or against any Arab nation. Would you not fight back if you just wanted to live in peace and you were attacked by your neighbors just for existing and on a continuous basis?

WhiteKnight77

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.

I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.

Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.

ShadowMoses900

PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews

Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.

Here is a thought, what if all Israelis were Darkman and all Palestinians were GazaAli?

Both sides are dumb and shadowmoses is fapping to this news right now. Not much else to say

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Yeah, yeah and they'd fire rockets over a football game, a piece of pie, etc. I'm reference something that actually happened.thebest31406

PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews

Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.

I did answer your question several times, Hamas is going to attack the Jews regardless.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] What happened in 1948 is a different story. Israel began as a foreign entity to the region and for that it was rejected. I'm not going to go into whether it had the right to exist or not. After that Israel basically took control of all Palestinian territories and continued to deny them their rights.GazaAli

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.

I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.

Here is a thought, what if all Israelis were Darkman and all Palestinians were GazaAli?

GazaAli

All Israelis are Liam Neeson?!

I'm sorry but Palestine has no chance of survival against that special set of skills.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

Here is a thought, what if all Israelis were Darkman and all Palestinians were GazaAli?

Baranga

All Israelis are Liam Neeson?!

I'm sorry but Palestine has no chance of survival against that special set of skills.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews

Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.

ShadowMoses900

I did answer your question several times, Hamas is going to attack the Jews regardless.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.

I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I disagree with Hamas on so many things and for safety reasons I will leave it at that. I will not go to Arabs' actions, I have enough already of out actions. But as for the existence of Israel, I myself deal with it as a reality. Now legitimacy is a totally different thing.GazaAli

Forgive my pessimism, but I think as long as that region has holiness written on it, people will slaughter each other to take it

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

Here is a thought, what if all Israelis were Darkman and all Palestinians were GazaAli?

Darkman2007

All Israelis are Liam Neeson?!

I'm sorry but Palestine has no chance of survival against that special set of skills.

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

Fun as hell.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I disagree with Hamas on so many things and for safety reasons I will leave it at that. I will not go to Arabs' actions, I have enough already of out actions. But as for the existence of Israel, I myself deal with it as a reality. Now legitimacy is a totally different thing.GazaAli

ironic, in Israel alot of people think we give too much. although if you ask people what the Palestinians are asking for, you will get 10 different answers so meh.

and if every Israeli or Arab would be like me or you, nothing would change.....except for a few small details

next round of warfare in that alternate universe

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I personally don't agree with Netanyahu on the "we want the Arabs to recognise Israel as a Jewish state" thing , simply because its for Israel to identify itself. what I do think is that Hamas and the other groups have to come up with a united position , and if that involves a solution that is in more in line wit the textbook answer, its all good. can't they just say its going to be based on Hudaybia like the Egyptians did? (not sure of the exact pronounciation)wis3boi

Forgive my pessimism, but I think as long as that region has holiness written on it, people will slaughter each other to take it

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I personally don't agree with Netanyahu on the "we want the Arabs to recognise Israel as a Jewish state" thing , simply because its for Israel to identify itself. what I do think is that Hamas and the other groups have to come up with a united position , and if that involves a solution that is in more in line wit the textbook answer, its all good. can't they just say its going to be based on Hudaybia like the Egyptians did? (not sure of the exact pronounciation)Darkman2007

ironic, in Israel alot of people think we give too much. although if you ask people what the Palestinians are asking for, you will get 10 different answers so meh.

and if every Israeli or Arab would be like me or you, nothing would change.....except for a few small details

next round of warfare in that alternate universe

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

All Israelis are Liam Neeson?!

I'm sorry but Palestine has no chance of survival against that special set of skills.

Baranga

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

Fun as hell.

lol, I never even knew about that , certainly not when selecting that username.

can't remember why I picked it, maybe because I have a slightly evil look to me :P

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] But seriously, Israel lost any credibility in any potential talks, and they offer nothing really. Regardless, we DO need to come up with a united stand.GazaAli

Forgive my pessimism, but I think as long as that region has holiness written on it, people will slaughter each other to take it

wis3boi's bed n breakfast is now open

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Forgive my pessimism, but I think as long as that region has holiness written on it, people will slaughter each other to take it

wis3boi

wis3boi's bed n breakfast is now open

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] But seriously, Israel lost any credibility in any potential talks, and they offer nothing really. Regardless, we DO need to come up with a united stand.GazaAli

ironic, in Israel alot of people think we give too much. although if you ask people what the Palestinians are asking for, you will get 10 different answers so meh.

and if every Israeli or Arab would be like me or you, nothing would change.....except for a few small details

next round of warfare in that alternate universe

ah ok , so it would have been finished and over with years ago.

btw that guy's monitor sucks , I used to have that monitor years ago :P

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

ironic, in Israel alot of people think we give too much. although if you ask people what the Palestinians are asking for, you will get 10 different answers so meh.

and if every Israeli or Arab would be like me or you, nothing would change.....except for a few small details

next round of warfare in that alternate universe

Darkman2007

ah ok , so it would have been finished and over with years ago.

btw that guy's monitor sucks , I used to have that monitor years ago :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] LMAO, I meant with mentality and views...etcGazaAli

ah ok , so it would have been finished and over with years ago.

btw that guy's monitor sucks , I used to have that monitor years ago :P

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="C2N2"]

Meh... If you think you can just plot death and destruction to Israeli civilians during the day, even fire a rocket maybe, and then just go home at night like terrorism is some kind of day job... AND your family is ok with you shooting rockets into residential neighborhoods, then I don't really care if Israel blows you, your house, and your family up. I highly doubt Israel dropped a JDAM on a house by mistake given the high amount of precision it has, cost, etc...

If the Palestinian community wants Israel to stop shooting at them then they should themselves act to keep Hamas from shooting at Israel. Israel can and will shoot back. The sooner those idiots realize that Israel is an internationally recognized sovereign nation, whether they agree with it or not, the better off they will be. It isn't going anywhere.

C2N2

Sure if the aid they allow to get into the Gaza Strip isn't used to build weapons to kill Israelis.

I am not defending Israel, I think they are stupid... What they are doing with the settlements in the West Bank is retarded and there will never be agreements with that bullsh-t... But Israel is simply trying to protect itself... People act like Israel is some kind of crazed state hell bent on killing all Arabs... They do what they do in Gaza because YOUR people ELECTED a group that has the pronounced goal of destroying the state of Israel to public office.

How would you feel if the "KILL ALL PALESTINIANS" Party took a majority in the Knesset?

I don't know how Israelis possibly believe they can maintain the current state of affairs.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

ah ok , so it would have been finished and over with years ago.

btw that guy's monitor sucks , I used to have that monitor years ago :P

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Explain to everyone why 8 Arab nations and armies attacked Israel on the very day of it's formation then. What was Israel supposed to do when that happened? I am not for or against Israel, nor am I for or against any Arab nation. Would you not fight back if you just wanted to live in peace and you were attacked by your neighbors just for existing and on a continuous basis?

WhiteKnight77

You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.

I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.

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whats happening their is pure scum, its like waiting any moment for your lives to be taken away becuase of Israel.