BBC: More than 10 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on thier house

Jesus Christ. GazaAli, hats off to you for maintaining your sanity amongst all this death and destruction. This is just ridiculous.thebest31406

Considering what's going on over in that region currently.....I can't say Palestine has clean hands. This is what happens when people wage war. LJS9502_basic

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Aljosa23

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Considering what's going on over in that region currently.....I can't say Palestine has clean hands. This is what happens when people wage war. GrayF0X786

That is truly unfortunate. :(

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

So basically, an Israeli F-16 fighter leveled a house to the ground with the whole family inside. I prefer to keep it real, they probably wanted someone in the house. IDF repeatedly demolished houses with their inhabitants inside, women, children, basically families in order to eliminate a target. What do you think? Does the end justify the mean? Is it ok to take down entire families to get to a target? And no, this is not "they hide among civillians", usually the target is just a family member.

br0kenrabbit

Palestinians fire rockets into civilian populations that they can't even aim. They aren't targeting military targets, they aren't targeting anything, they're just trying to do whatever damage they can to whoever they can.

If you call out one side, you gotta call out the other.

Both sides are wrong here.

My thoughts, though there does seem to be a bit of asymmetry WRT firepower projection and consequent collateral damage.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I'm sorry about that man. Stay safe.

kingkong0124

That sucks, but at least they're ridding your country of scum Hamas.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

This is an awful conflict and both sides are doing some terrible things. I really don't see how it can ever end. They've been going at it since 1948 and have completely irreconcilable goals.

ShadowMoses900

The conflict is far older than that, I can assure you. Read about the Philistines in The Bible, their descendents are the Palestinians.

Palestinians are not Philistines, despite sharing the name.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] The best part is when my bed shakes like crazy with every air strike.kingkong0124

That sucks, but at least they're ridding your country of scum Hamas.

get what you deserve!!

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is definitely sad, however the BBC is a known anti-israeli news source, they have a heavy bias against it. Ironic how they don't mention the many Jewish children who are now dead due to Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets at schools and playgrounds.

GazaAli

Also, that is not "definitely sad". Losing someone dear to you is the biggest loss you can ever encounter in life. Imagine the sadness and frustration when its your chilld, and when they got killed wrongfully by someone else. I do not believe in collateral damage, I simply don't because if it were my child, I would not pause and say "Well its war you know, collateral damage...etc"

If it were your child you wouldn't say that, but if you were in charge of your country's military and you had a chance to take out the guy who gave the order to level that house, would you NOT take him out because unarmed civilians will be hit in that strike? You'd be willing to pass up a chance to take him out because he's home with his family?

[Edit] Misread post.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

ehhh it was mention in the article there were hamas offcials in some houses. dont get when gaza says they blow down the house to kill some family member.

TheShadowLord07

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

So basically, an Israeli F-16 fighter leveled a house to the ground with the whole family inside. I prefer to keep it real, they probably wanted someone in the house. IDF repeatedly demolished houses with their inhabitants inside, women, children, basically families in order to eliminate a target. What do you think? Does the end justify the mean? Is it ok to take down entire families to get to a target? And no, this is not "they hide among civillians", usually the target is just a family member.

coolbeans90

Palestinians fire rockets into civilian populations that they can't even aim. They aren't targeting military targets, they aren't targeting anything, they're just trying to do whatever damage they can to whoever they can.

If you call out one side, you gotta call out the other.

Both sides are wrong here.

My thoughts, though there does seem to be a bit of asymmetry WRT firepower projection and consequent collateral damage.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Palestinians fire rockets into civilian populations that they can't even aim. They aren't targeting military targets, they aren't targeting anything, they're just trying to do whatever damage they can to whoever they can.

If you call out one side, you gotta call out the other.

Both sides are wrong here.

th3warr1or

My thoughts, though there does seem to be a bit of asymmetry WRT firepower projection and consequent collateral damage.

The difference in firepower isn't really Israel's fault, nor is it their problem.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

My thoughts, though there does seem to be a bit of asymmetry WRT firepower projection and consequent collateral damage.

coolbeans90

The difference in firepower isn't really Israel's fault, nor is it their problem.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.

My bad, I misread.

My bad, I misread.

th3warr1or

No problem. Point being: I'd say that Israel is killing more peeps than the Palestinians. Not really faulting them for that entirely as the two groups really don't seem keen on reconciling. It'd be nice if they could at least, I don't know, agree to not kill each other, but, that place, man.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

My bad, I misread.

coolbeans90

No problem. Point being: I'd say that Israel is killing more peeps than the Palestinians. Not really faulting them for that entirely as the two groups really don't seem keen on reconciling. It'd be nice if they could at least, I don't know, agree to not kill each other, but, that place, man.

Peace will be possible when Israel stops having to fight terrorists who fight like cowards.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the namenalhutta94

Best defense is a good offense.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] From OP ". I prefer to keep it real, they probably wanted someone in the house. IDF repeatedly demolished houses with their inhabitants inside, women, children, basically families in order to eliminate a target" smhBossPerson

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

For the past 5 days, israel has been dropping, an average, of 200 tons of explosives on the Gaza strip daily.

However, until this event there have only been 10-20 civilian palestinian deaths (which, btw, prompted ali to go on about how 'we are holding in' and that netanyahu is 'losing his seat' as a result).

This leads me to believe those bombs the Israeli army drops aren't the roadrunner kind (despite what the Netanyahu UN speech might have led you to think).

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] From OP ". I prefer to keep it real, they probably wanted someone in the house. IDF repeatedly demolished houses with their inhabitants inside, women, children, basically families in order to eliminate a target" smhBossPerson

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

That is not an accurate analogy for one reason: Palestinian civilians don't live inside Hamas people or use Hamas as their public transportation.

A more apt one would be Israel leveling an entire building that had rockets fired from, and that building happened to have civilians inisde too.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]US drones have been know to kill civilians as well. does that mean the US were targeting those civilians?

th3warr1or

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

That is not an accurate analogy for one reason: Palestinian civilians don't live inside Hamas people or use Hamas as their public transportation.

A more apt one would be Israel leveling an entire building that had rockets fired from, and that building happened to have civilians inisde too.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.

Wasdie

Yeah.

It's not worth arguing with you because it's pretty clear you're out to make Israel look like a bunch of savages.

Right or wrong, when missiles are going to be fired into your country (no matter how it started) you're going to retaliate and if the Hamas officials are going to be going home for the evening, they should know damn well they are putting their families in danger.

The bottom line is that war sucks and the whole situation sucks.

If you think that the Hamas guys aren't try to put themselves in a position where Israeli retaliation will inevitably end in civilian casualties, you need to wake up.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Did you read the OP?nunovlopes

Yeah.

It's not worth arguing with you because it's pretty clear you're out to make Israel look like a bunch of savages.

Right or wrong, when missiles are going to be fired into your country (no matter how it started) you're going to retaliate and if the Hamas officials are going to be going home for the evening, they should know damn well they are putting their families in danger.

The bottom line is that war sucks and the whole situation sucks.

If you think that the Hamas guys aren't try to put themselves in a position where Israeli retaliation will inevitably end in civilian casualties, you need to wake up.

That's crap and you know it.

If I were wanted dead by a bunch of trigger-happy terrorists whom I knew has a terrible track record of killing people on the sidelines, I'll be damned if I'll go home and put my entire family in danger.

If Israel is as much of a terrorist as Hamas claim, then that guy was either a dick for endangering his whole family (they're dead now because of his inconsideration); why is he to blame and not Israel? It's HIS family. If HE cared for them, he wouldn't have done that sh*t. I know I wouldn't. I don't think anyone I know would.

If someone were going to bomb me even if I was with my whole family (that isn't involved), I'd stay as far away from them for THEIR safety. Heck, I'd even do that if the people who would die are only my friends and not related by blood.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

BossPerson

That is not an accurate analogy for one reason: Palestinian civilians don't live inside Hamas people or use Hamas as their public transportation.

A more apt one would be Israel leveling an entire building that had rockets fired from, and that building happened to have civilians inisde too.

I know the IDF does that, and I'm not defending their killing of civilians. I'm just saying that the whole bus-thing doesn't quite work. It would be different if Hamas blew up a military vehicle and then there were civilian casualties because of the shrapnel or something.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] From OP ". I prefer to keep it real, they probably wanted someone in the house. IDF repeatedly demolished houses with their inhabitants inside, women, children, basically families in order to eliminate a target" smhBossPerson

As much as im not a fan of finkelstein, this is about right

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] The best part is when my bed shakes like crazy with every air strike.BossPerson

That sucks, but at least they're ridding your country of scum Hamas.

thebest31406

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kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Everyone should watch this video.

thebest31406

For the past 5 days, israel has been dropping, an average, of 200 tons of explosives on the Gaza strip daily.

However, until this event there have only been 10-20 civilian palestinian deaths (which, btw, prompted ali to go on about how 'we are holding in' and that netanyahu is 'losing his seat' as a result).

This leads me to believe those bombs the Israeli army drops aren't the roadrunner kind (despite what the Netanyahu UN speech might have led you to think).

pie-junior

I take that back. I guess that statement was in comparison to the horrifying first day of operation cast lead. I barely sleep at all, I'm physically exhausted, my nervous system is hyped because of insanely loud air strikes, it feels as if my heart is going to jump out of my chest. I'm sick of sitting home all day with limited electricity.

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