BBC: More than 10 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on thier house

and yet thats where it comes from, would you rather it was called something else? hell, we think Hertzl had the general right idea, he even has a city named after him :PDarkman2007

Unfortunately, there isn't really much that it could be named for. :P

Maybe Israelism. While that would still be using Yisroel's name, at least he's our ancestor. As opposed to using the name of the Holy Land and doing unholy things with it.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] So his wife and kids are expendable/superfluous, yes?thebest31406

Clearly they are to him.

"Egypt's Prime Minister wept today as he kissed the forehead of a boy killed in an Israeli airstrike on Gaza." turns out 'israeli airstike' might have meant misfired Hamas rocket, but I'm glad Mirror, CNN et al were quick to assume.MrPraline

I predict many here will ignore this newest revelation and still want to blame Israel on the kids death.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Clearly they are to him.

th3warr1or

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]and yet thats where it comes from, would you rather it was called something else? hell, we think Hertzl had the general right idea, he even has a city named after him :Pth3warr1or

Unfortunately, there isn't really much that it could be named for. :P

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]Great. Now we'll have even more of them begging to go to scandinaviaMrPraline

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]and yet thats where it comes from, would you rather it was called something else? hell, we think Hertzl had the general right idea, he even has a city named after him :PDarkman2007

Unfortunately, there isn't really much that it could be named for. :P

That might be a little hard, since it's more or less his extreme secularism. :P

I don't hate him or anything, but I feel like his ideas were very damaging to Jewry. May have been, and probably were mostly done with a good intention, but as the proverb goes, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions."

r[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Unfortunately, there isn't really much that it could be named for. :P

th3warr1or

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]r[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] don't know if you want to laugh at Hertzeliya, quite a few rich people in there, its quite a nice city. why are not happy with Hertzl? besides his extreme secularism.Darkman2007

I am. :)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] That might be a little hard, since it's more or less his extreme secularism. :P I don't hate him or anything, but I feel like his ideas were very damaging to Jewry. May have been, and probably were mostly done with a good intention, but as the proverb goes, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions."th3warr1or

I am. :)

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well even I have some issues with his ideas (the lack of Hebrew was one) you religious by any chance?Darkman2007

I am. :)

Hey Praline would you welcome GazaAli into your country? You don't have to answer if it makes you uncomfortable. I was just wondering.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

What is this? I don't even...

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I am. :)

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well even I have some issues with his ideas (the lack of Hebrew was one) you religious by any chance?Darkman2007

I am. :)

You have no idea how tough a question this has been for me to answer. I've been typing and retyping for the past 10 minutes. :lol:

This is what I've settled with: I'm either the most modernized charedi in existance or a Modern Orthodox with slight haredi leanings; I'm not as religiously observant as most charedim.

Like, I have payos (most modern orthodox people I know don't) but I don't gender segregate (seriously, that is absurd to me). And I watch TV, play video games (I'm on gamespot lol) and whatnot. I do wear a hat (or at least a cap) whenever I'm out, and I only wear shorts at home.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I am. :)

th3warr1or

You have no idea how tough a question this has been to answer. I've been typing and retyping for the past 10 minutes.

This is what I've settled with: I'm either the most modernized charedi in existance or a Modern Orthodox with slight haredi leanings; I'm not as religiously observant as most charedim.

Like, I have payos (most modern orthodox people I know, don't) but I don't gender segregate (seriously, that is absurd to me). And I watch TV, play video games (I'm on gamespot lol) and whatnot. I do wear a hat (or at least a cap) whenever I'm out, and I only wear shorts at home.

so youre...a modereformadox :P should start a synagouge like that.

and its odd, the synagouges Ive ever attended had gender segregation , so its not that I see it as right or wrong, its more out of habit that I kind of expect it.

So what? 11 people were killed in a shantytown in Bangladesh, a bush crash in Egypt killed 50 children, a guy who used to be a mayor in Mexico was found beaten to death.

Or are we supposed to care about the Palestinians more because have they have parties in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate all those Americans getting killed? I certainly don't give a f*** about them. I hope they keep p***ing off the Israelis real good and get their whole damned territory levelled.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] reform? Orthodox?Darkman2007

You have no idea how tough a question this has been to answer. I've been typing and retyping for the past 10 minutes.

This is what I've settled with: I'm either the most modernized charedi in existance or a Modern Orthodox with slight haredi leanings; I'm not as religiously observant as most charedim.

Like, I have payos (most modern orthodox people I know, don't) but I don't gender segregate (seriously, that is absurd to me). And I watch TV, play video games (I'm on gamespot lol) and whatnot. I do wear a hat (or at least a cap) whenever I'm out, and I only wear shorts at home.

Modern Charedi maybe. No reform in there. :P I fully accept Rambam's Shloshah Asar Ikkarim, and to my knowledge Reform Jews don't.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] reform? Orthodox?Darkman2007

You have no idea how tough a question this has been to answer. I've been typing and retyping for the past 10 minutes.

This is what I've settled with: I'm either the most modernized charedi in existance or a Modern Orthodox with slight haredi leanings; I'm not as religiously observant as most charedim.

Like, I have payos (most modern orthodox people I know, don't) but I don't gender segregate (seriously, that is absurd to me). And I watch TV, play video games (I'm on gamespot lol) and whatnot. I do wear a hat (or at least a cap) whenever I'm out, and I only wear shorts at home.

so youre...a modereformadox :P should start a synagouge like that.

and its odd, the synagouges Ive ever attended had gender segregation , so its not that I see it as right or wrong, its more out of habit that I kind of expect it.

Oh, gender segregation in synagogue is there of course. Nothing absurd about that. I fully accept it because I know that if there were girls sitting next to me, I'd definitely not be able to focus on whatever the Rabbi says. :lol: I'd rather have gender segregation in shul actually, cause women are too much of a distraction. :P

I meant in like everyday life. I'm fine with getting served by female servers etc, and I have female friends.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

You have no idea how tough a question this has been to answer. I've been typing and retyping for the past 10 minutes.

This is what I've settled with: I'm either the most modernized charedi in existance or a Modern Orthodox with slight haredi leanings; I'm not as religiously observant as most charedim.

Like, I have payos (most modern orthodox people I know, don't) but I don't gender segregate (seriously, that is absurd to me). And I watch TV, play video games (I'm on gamespot lol) and whatnot. I do wear a hat (or at least a cap) whenever I'm out, and I only wear shorts at home.

th3warr1or

Modern Charedi maybe. No reform in there. :P I fully accept Rambam's Shloshah Asar Ikkarim, and to my knowledge Reform Jews don't.

they are the only ones who don't segregate though , so there is that.Darkman2007

Yeah I realized that, so I edited my post to better reflect my thoughts.

There is gender segregation in Shul; I just don't practice it in my everyday life.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]they are the only ones who don't segregate though , so there is that.th3warr1or

Yeah I realized that, so I edited my post to better reflect my thoughts.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]they are the only ones who don't segregate though , so there is that.Darkman2007

Yeah I realized that, so I edited my post to better reflect my thoughts.

Funny you should ask that. I actually volunteered that information in my initial post, but then I removed it because I was like "Okay this is getting to be like a prison share&care session. You just asked if I'm orthodox or reform."

Satmar. Well, Satmar Rebbe wrote (or rather quoted a Talmudic source) that since Moshiach would come when Jews had no sovereignty over them (foreign or otherwise), the existence of a Zionist government was actually hindering his coming. So while I don't subscribe to that belief, Satmarer have a reason for opposing Zionism.

Neturei Karta on the other hand, are full blown morons in denial. Anti-Zionism is one thing (at times I can be considered as such), but they're idiots if they believe what they believe. And they do. Thus, they're idiots. They're also incredibly wrong, based on facts, based on evidence, based on events that have transpired.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Clearly they are to him.

th3warr1or

That's twisted and dumb logic.

So what? 11 people were killed in a shantytown in Bangladesh, a bush crash in Egypt killed 50 children, a guy who used to be a mayor in Mexico was found beaten to death.

Or are we supposed to care about the Palestinians more because have they have parties in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate all those Americans getting killed? I certainly don't give a f*** about them. I hope they keep p***ing off the Israelis real good and get their whole damned territory levelled.

Jackc8

A bus crash is an accident... As in no one caused it on purpose... not exactly the same thing...

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] And for the ones who bomb the home?nunovlopes

That's twisted and dumb logic.

And no, it's neither twisted, nor dumb. Nobody will ever love your family more than you love your own. If you don't, don't expect someone else to, much less someone who wants you dead.

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So what? 11 people were killed in a shantytown in Bangladesh, a bush crash in Egypt killed 50 children, a guy who used to be a mayor in Mexico was found beaten to death.

Or are we supposed to care about the Palestinians more because have they have parties in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate all those Americans getting killed? I certainly don't give a f*** about them. I hope they keep p***ing off the Israelis real good and get their whole damned territory levelled.

nunovlopes

A bus crash is an accident... As in no one caused it on purpose... not exactly the same thing...

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

It's funny how he practically admitted that he has a problem with Jews, and not Zionists.

Like most anti-semites, they use Zionism as an excuse, but they've been hating on Jews since long before the founder of Zionism was ever conceived.

th3warr1or

Theodore Herzl.

False, it's shadowmoses :P

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Who is the founder of Zionism in your opinion?wis3boi

Theodore Herzl.

False, it's shadowmoses :P

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Theodore Herzl.

th3warr1or

False, it's shadowmoses :P

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Yeah I realized that, so I edited my post to better reflect my thoughts.

th3warr1or

Funny you should ask that. I actually volunteered that information in my initial post, but then I removed it because I was like "Okay this is getting to be like a prison share&care session. You just asked if I'm orthodox or reform."

Satmar. Well, Satmar Rebbe wrote (or rather quoted a Talmudic source) that since Moshiach would come when Jews had no sovereignty over them (foreign or otherwise), the existence of a Zionist government was actually hindering his coming. So while I don't subscribe to that belief, Satmarer have a reason for opposing Zionism.

Neturei Karta on the other hand, are full blown morons in denial. Anti-Zionism is one thing (at times I can be considered as such), but they're idiots if they believe what they believe. And they do. Thus, they're idiots. They're also incredibly wrong, based on facts, based on evidence, based on events that have transpired.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I wonder, how do you contend with the crazies of Neturei Karta (or Satmar , for instance) and such? whats your opinion of them?Darkman2007

Funny you should ask that. I actually volunteered that information in my initial post, but then I removed it because I was like "Okay this is getting to be like a prison share&care session. You just asked if I'm orthodox or reform."

Satmar. Well, Satmar Rebbe wrote (or rather quoted a Talmudic source) that since Moshiach would come when Jews had no sovereignty over them (foreign or otherwise), the existence of a Zionist government was actually hindering his coming. So while I don't subscribe to that belief, Satmarer have a reason for opposing Zionism.

Neturei Karta on the other hand, are full blown morons in denial. Anti-Zionism is one thing (at times I can be considered as such), but they're idiots if they believe what they believe. And they do. Thus, they're idiots. They're also incredibly wrong, based on facts, based on evidence, based on events that have transpired.

Absolutely not. I'm opposed to trading any part of Eretz Yisroel really, but even more so when it comes to Yerushalayim. Asking for Yerushalayim is like asking for Mecca or the Vatican City.

This is definitely sad, however the BBC is a known anti-israeli news source, they have a heavy bias against it. Ironic how they don't mention the many Jewish children who are now dead due to Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets at schools and playgrounds.

ShadowMoses900

Who do I trust the crazy jewish nationalist or the crazy British nationalist? I'm so torn right now.

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This is definitely sad, however the BBC is a known anti-israeli news source, they have a heavy bias against it. Ironic how they don't mention the many Jewish children who are now dead due to Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets at schools and playgrounds.

toast_burner

Who do I trust the crazy jewish nationalist or the crazy British nationalist?

Seeing as Jews are not synonymous with Zionists, it could be both.

It could still be anti-Israeli despite being run by Jews.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is definitely sad, however the BBC is a known anti-israeli news source, they have a heavy bias against it. Ironic how they don't mention the many Jewish children who are now dead due to Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets at schools and playgrounds.

th3warr1or

Who do I trust the crazy jewish nationalist or the crazy British nationalist?

Seeing as Jews are not synonymous with Zionists, it could be both.

It could still be anti-Israeli despite being run by Jews.

This is Nick Griffin we're talking about. Of course they're synonymous.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Funny you should ask that. I actually volunteered that information in my initial post, but then I removed it because I was like "Okay this is getting to be like a prison share&care session. You just asked if I'm orthodox or reform."

Satmar. Well, Satmar Rebbe wrote (or rather quoted a Talmudic source) that since Moshiach would come when Jews had no sovereignty over them (foreign or otherwise), the existence of a Zionist government was actually hindering his coming. So while I don't subscribe to that belief, Satmarer have a reason for opposing Zionism.

Neturei Karta on the other hand, are full blown morons in denial. Anti-Zionism is one thing (at times I can be considered as such), but they're idiots if they believe what they believe. And they do. Thus, they're idiots. They're also incredibly wrong, based on facts, based on evidence, based on events that have transpired.

th3warr1or

Absolutely not. I'm opposed to trading any of Eretz Yisroel really, but even more so when it comes to Yerushalayim. Asking for Yerushalayim is like asking for Mecca or the Vatican City.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is definitely sad, however the BBC is a known anti-israeli news source, they have a heavy bias against it. Ironic how they don't mention the many Jewish children who are now dead due to Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets at schools and playgrounds.

th3warr1or

Who do I trust the crazy jewish nationalist or the crazy British nationalist?

Seeing as Jews are not synonymous with Zionists, it could be both.

It could still be anti-Israeli despite being run by Jews.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Which is odd since Nick Griffin told me that the BBC is run by Jews.

Who do I trust the crazy jewish nationalist or the crazy British nationalist?

Darkman2007

Seeing as Jews are not synonymous with Zionists, it could be both.

It could still be anti-Israeli despite being run by Jews.

They can't be all that clever if they need to quote a Hitler speech.

Not just because they're quoting Hitler but because they're quoting someone who ultimately failed in his goal. Quite miserably too, since his goal was to eliminate "the Jew," and if the word of anti-semites around the world is to be trusted, we still run the world. :lol:

Seriously. If you want to have a role model at least have a role model who succeeds, not fails in his goal and then takes his own life.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Seeing as Jews are not synonymous with Zionists, it could be both.

It could still be anti-Israeli despite being run by Jews.

th3warr1or

They can't be all that clever if they need to quote a Hitler speech.

Not just because they're quoting Hitler but because they're quoting someone who ultimately failed in his goal. Quite miserably too, since his goal was to eliminate "the Jew," and if the word of anti-semites around the world is to be trusted, we still run the world. :lol:

Seriously. If you want to have a role model at least have a role model who succeeds, not fails in his goal and then takes his own life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

Hamas MP Fathi Hammad says that for the Palestinian people, death has become an industry (hah what a loser), and women, children, and the elderly are used as human shields because they "desire death like [Israel] desires life". No wonder Palestinian life is so cheap. They practially give it away!

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]Gaza, do you agree with my assesment that a renewed Israeli occupation in Gaza is the only solution to these sort of things?Darkman2007

AMERICA

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] That followed quickly by an international guardianship over Gaza strip sounds like one. Also, was about time this topic gets some pie-junior :Pcoolbeans90

MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] That followed quickly by an international guardianship over Gaza strip sounds like one. Also, was about time this topic gets some pie-junior :Pcoolbeans90

AMERICA

I'm at the point where I just don't care anymore. Both sides are rotten and refuse to admit any wrong doing on their part. HoolaHoopMan

Pretty much the problem in a nutshell.