Best Special Forces Unit in the world

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="jointed"]

If you don't have any proper arguements, then I suggest you just admit it and leave :lol:

RiseAgainst12

The Provisional campaign wasnt because of a few killings, giving it escalated it but only because it increased there recruitment. the main reason was because the catholic communities rights were being tarnished. you think that we should just let a foriegn government pose what laws they feel on us? fix elections to stop Nationalist politicians getting through? Arrest who they like? do what they like for that matter? The IRA for years imposed a peaceful non violent campaign, but it wasnt being recognized. An armed struggle was the only way to make the british realise that the Irish people deserve the same rights as everyone else.

The fact that they had no other choice doesn't matter, it's still TERRORISM.

There war was on British Agents not civilians, Civilians did die but they were not the intended target. the British were more the Terrorists in the conflict as they used fear and intimadation to keep Nationalists down, and at times Civilains were the intended target.

What about the 1996 Manchester bombing? Or the Birmingham pub bombings? You're talking bollocks.

What about the 1996 Manchester bombing? Or the Birmingham pub bombings? You're talking bollocks.

jointed

The Manchester bombing was an Economic target, which would hurt the British government, The PIRA give warnings hours before the bombing so that an evacuation could be made. and the same for the Birmingham bombings, warnings were giving, it was because of an incompitent member that such a small warning time was giving. because if you dont know the IRA army council always give warnings before attacks, and as in every military group there is incompitent members.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="jointed"]

If you don't have any proper arguements, then I suggest you just admit it and leave :lol:

RiseAgainst12

The Provisional campaign wasnt because of a few killings, giving it escalated it but only because it increased there recruitment. the main reason was because the catholic communities rights were being tarnished. you think that we should just let a foriegn government pose what laws they feel on us? fix elections to stop Nationalist politicians getting through? Arrest who they like? do what they like for that matter? The IRA for years imposed a peaceful non violent campaign, but it wasnt being recognized. An armed struggle was the only way to make the british realise that the Irish people deserve the same rights as everyone else.

The fact that they had no other choice doesn't matter, it's still TERRORISM.

There war was on British Agents not civilians, Civilians did die but they were not the intended target. the British were more the Terrorists in the conflict as they used fear and intimadation to keep Nationalists down, and at times Civilains were the intended target.

what about the pub bombings and nail bombing on civilians through out the 70s 80s & 90s ?

I don't think there is one overall "best" special forces anything. Some may be specialized for a purpose that another is not however. But we all want to root for the home team so we will pick our nations. How come nobody mentiond the Spezialeinsatzkommando (SEK)?

As far as the IRA and all that stuff. I know nothing of it but it has intrgued me to study it. I know nothing of what happened but I will say this. The ends never justfy the means and activily engaging civlians even those around millitary targets but esp. in cities is a war crime. I don't care what someones message is or intended target is. Activley pursuing a misson with knowledge of civilian precense is just unethical.

They were never looking for suprise, they were aiming to destroy Comercial Buildings and hurt the british economy so that the British government would listen to what they wanted (Basically the withdrawal of British troops, new joint policing as majority were protestants, and a new political system). The bad relations in terms of the PIRA was because of Irish Catholics being refused certain rights, it then escalated further when more and more rights were being taken (to much things for me to highlight so just read up).

EDIT: my earlier posts highlight a few things that happened.

They never disregarded Civilian life, they made it policy to give sufficient warning for Civilians to get out of the blast area. they done more than most Army's in recent conflicts.RiseAgainst12

they may have been called the Irish Republic Army but they didn't operate like a proper Army they operated more like terrorists hit and run attacks because they know they couldn't fight the British Army head on .

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]They never disregarded Civilian life, they made it policy to give sufficient warning for Civilians to get out of the blast area. they done more than most Army's in recent conflicts.snakes_codec

they may have been called the Irish Republic Army but they didn't operate like a proper Army they operated more like terrorists hit and run attacks because they know they couldn't fight the British Army head on .

The PIRA were more organized than you think, they organized them selfs like any army would. they had a head Army council that confirmed and decided targets, they also formed into different departments and cells when a pro-longed war was seen. They used Guerilla Warfare cause they didnt have the strenght to take a country head on, Guerilla tactics are tactics even British implament them (SAS)

But hurting the economy also hurts civilians. So you have large amounts of civlian collateral damage with inderect financial harm. That doesn't sound so good to me.

I'd say that both sides practiced some shady stuff. What did the main IRA Faction do? What did the splinter factions do?

But hurting the economy also hurts civilians. So you have large amounts of civlian collateral damage with inderect financial harm. That doesn't sound so good to me.

I'd say that both sides practiced some shady stuff. What did the main IRA Faction do? What did the splinter factions do?

peppersfan2

read up about it, most people don't and so jump in to the conclusion they were terrorists.

EDIT: for your first point, then what differentiatses the british army, american army from what they are doing in conflicts? or what russians and georgians were doing in there conflict? if you are not intended to kill civillians you can not be classed as a terrorist organisation.

The SAS are affiliated with the Bristish sniper school. The british have the best snipers and SF unit. The SAS have been around since 1941, and lasted through one of the largest war sin history. I don't see a seal or GIGN/KSK in the heat.

PS: I'm American, no bias here.

fatzebra

WRONG Canadians are the best snipers. Look it up, they have the most kills and most succesful mission. They did a CNN thing on some snipers I think

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The SAS are affiliated with the Bristish sniper school. The british have the best snipers and SF unit. The SAS have been around since 1941, and lasted through one of the largest war sin history. I don't see a seal or GIGN/KSK in the heat.

PS: I'm American, no bias here.

Nasty_butler_9

WRONG Canadians are the best snipers. Look it up, they have the most kills and most succesful mission. They did a CNN thing on some snipers I think

British army has always been reknown for its marksmanship.

[QUOTE="fatzebra"]

The SAS are affiliated with the Bristish sniper school. The british have the best snipers and SF unit. The SAS have been around since 1941, and lasted through one of the largest war sin history. I don't see a seal or GIGN/KSK in the heat.

PS: I'm American, no bias here.

Nasty_butler_9

WRONG Canadians are the best snipers. Look it up, they have the most kills and most succesful mission. They did a CNN thing on some snipers I think

i doubt special forces snipers were included, they don't usually give out info on themselves

[QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"][QUOTE="fatzebra"]

The SAS are affiliated with the Bristish sniper school. The british have the best snipers and SF unit. The SAS have been around since 1941, and lasted through one of the largest war sin history. I don't see a seal or GIGN/KSK in the heat.

PS: I'm American, no bias here.

RiseAgainst12

WRONG Canadians are the best snipers. Look it up, they have the most kills and most succesful mission. They did a CNN thing on some snipers I think

British army has always been reknown for its marksmanship.

True, and no doubt they are one ofthe best in th world, but it is also widely stereotyped with the British Army. I also mean just recently, like within the last year they were given the title for best snipers, Special Forces or not. And the CNN thing I don't even think was with Canadians, and no way was it with JTF2 members.

Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Nasty_butler_9

SEALS. SAS training comes nowhere close to what the SEALS go through during "Hell Week". SAS has a bloated, overrated reputation. Don't get me wrong, they are very good.. but their reputation is a little boated. But they both do different operations, anyway. SEALS are more water oriented. They are both different operationally. SAS training is more "casual" than SEALS training.. and I say "casual" only becuase of the comparison. SAS are treated like human beings instead of abused animals like the SEALS are. SEALS training is unmatched in terms of pressure, stress and physical and mental fatigue.

They are both badass, but they are both different.. but all I'm saying is SEALS training is harder.. so..

The_Mac_Daddy

SEALS are good but know where near as good and as experienced as the SAS and your wrong about there training SAS training is as tuff as it comes out of around 200 applicants a year only 2 on average make the grade in the anti terror wing of the SAS they practise by have one member of there team poss as a hostage standing next to a dummy witch if supposed to be a terrorist while there teammates burst into the room with real flash bangs and live rounds so if they screw up or the guy posing as a hostage moves it could end with him losing his life they also train in mental as well as physical torture SAS training is by far the tuffist and hardest to pass of any SF in the world .

You're all wrong! The best snipers are the Soviets, notice how I said Soviets and not Russians, or the Australians. Look up Billy Sing. He killed 201 soldiers during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Spetsnaz probably have the toughest training. Look up Spetsnaz training. Some of it is really nasty. US SEAL training is a game of Go Fish for the Spetsnaz.

On topic,I think the SASR or the Chindits are the best special forces.

The SASR is an Australian sub-division of the SAS.

The Chindits were a guerrila oriented force who operated behind Japanese lines during WW2.

You're all wrong! The best snipers are the Soviets, notice how I said Soviets and not Russians, or the Australians. Look up Billy Sing. He killed 201 soldiers during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Spetsnaz probably have the toughest training. Look up Spetsnaz training. Some of it is really nasty. US SEAL training is a game of Go Fish for the Spetsnaz.

On topic,I think the SASR or the Chindits are the best special forces.

The SASR is an Australian sub-division of the SAS.

The Chindits were a guerrila oriented force who operated behind Japanese lines during WW2.

-Apathy-

but torturing a soldier doesn't make him any more capable of firing a weapon than anyone else there good when it come to torture but when the shooting starts especially in hostage rescue situations spetsnaz are tactical inept when it comes to sieging buildings every time they take part in one it turns into a blood bath i remember one particular where Chechen rebels had sezed 52 hostages in a movie theater in this situation the Americans would send in SWAT or the British SO19 would have been able to take care of it but they sent in spetnaz and killed more than half of the hostages .

You're all wrong! The best snipers are the Soviets, notice how I said Soviets and not Russians, or the Australians. Look up Billy Sing. He killed 201 soldiers during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Spetsnaz probably have the toughest training. Look up Spetsnaz training. Some of it is really nasty. US SEAL training is a game of Go Fish for the Spetsnaz.

On topic,I think the SASR or the Chindits are the best special forces.

The SASR is an Australian sub-division of the SAS.

The Chindits were a guerrila oriented force who operated behind Japanese lines during WW2.

-Apathy-

[QUOTE="-Apathy-"]

You're all wrong! The best snipers are the Soviets, notice how I said Soviets and not Russians, or the Australians. Look up Billy Sing. He killed 201 soldiers during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Spetsnaz probably have the toughest training. Look up Spetsnaz training. Some of it is really nasty. US SEAL training is a game of Go Fish for the Spetsnaz.

On topic,I think the SASR or the Chindits are the best special forces.

The SASR is an Australian sub-division of the SAS.

The Chindits were a guerrila oriented force who operated behind Japanese lines during WW2.

joetira

This ^^

[QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Dasacant

[QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Dasacant

Obviously, you need to hit the target.

I love how some people keep nominating the SEALs for the best SF unit in the world, while they're not even the best SF unit in their own military branch!

Don't get me wrong, SEALs are a bunch of bada** motherfu*****, but you don't even need to serve a single day in the US Armed Forces before you can volunteer to the SEALs.

In comparison, some units - like the 1st SFOD-D and the DEVGRU - require you to have AT LEAST four years of service behind you before you can even ATTEMPT to join!

That's why those units really are tier-one SF units - they mostly consist of veteran operators of other, lower-level SpecOps units, like the SEALs, the Rangers and whatnot.

Bear Grylls is sick so I think I gotta go with British SAS

Navy seals get - poins for perfect push-up.....

Mafiree

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.wado-karate

Obviously, you need to hit the target.

Actually, for the most part, shooting the target is the easier part of the sniper's job - olimpic champoins are great shots, but that doesn't make them snipers

The harder part is the camouflage, the sneeking, and that whole deal of infiltrating deep into enemy territory, alone...

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[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Zyamaman

Obviously, you need to hit the target.

Actually, for the most part, shooting the target is the easier part of the sniper's job - olimpic champoins are great shots, but that doesn't make them snipers

The harder part is the camouflage, the sneeking, and that whole deal of infiltrating deep into enemy territory, alone...

Talibanmingo123

lol?

anyways, I'd have to say U.S. Navy Seals or the Turkish SAT

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]

Bear Grylls is sick so I think I gotta go with British SAS

Navy seals get - poins for perfect push-up.....

Rougehunter

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SEALS. SAS training comes nowhere close to what the SEALS go through during "Hell Week". SAS has a bloated, overrated reputation.

Ninja-Hippo

I'm not flaming here, but stating a simple fact. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Painfully obvious.

It seems that some people in this thread simply base their entire judgement on whatever SF unit is more praised by the pop-culture this week...

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Vilot_Hero

[QUOTE="Zyamaman"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Nasty_butler_9"]Also Cpl. Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia something-or-other got the record kill in March of 2002, by killing an Al-Queda Terrorist at 2,430m away. The record still stands. Furlong is Canadian.Vilot_Hero

Obviously, you need to hit the target.

Actually, for the most part, shooting the target is the easier part of the sniper's job - olimpic champoins are great shots, but that doesn't make them snipers

The harder part is the camouflage, the sneeking, and that whole deal of infiltrating deep into enemy territory, alone...

Wrong, as a matter of fact - snipers can do a whole bunch of other things besides actually sniping.

Reconnaissance and target acquisition for guided munitions come to mind.

No they are not :| I will say this again no one knows who is the best Special Forces, comparing special forces is nothing more then a glorified ******* contest.Dasacant

Exactly. Are we honestly believing there are seven pages full of people on gamespot who all know about the various histories and training methods of the world's special forces?

As soon as i saw "the SAS have a bloated and over rated reputation" i realised it would be futile arguing about this. I wouldn't comment on the topic, because i have no knowledge of Israel's special forces for example, nor Russia's. Nor do i have in-depth knowledge of the SEALS.

What i do know, is that the Royal Marines and Paras train with the SEALS - so if the SEALS are supposedly so much better than the SAS, why do they train with the less specialised branches of Britain's military? :?

SAS is pretty awesome. Delta Force and First Force Recon are also really awesome, but the American best is the SEALs. I don't think there's such thing as a "best".

Have you seen the Brazillian BOPE (Batalhao de Operacoes Policiais Especial, or special battalion of police operations)? Those guys are awesome too.

[QUOTE="-Apathy-"]

You're all wrong! The best snipers are the Soviets, notice how I said Soviets and not Russians, or the Australians. Look up Billy Sing. He killed 201 soldiers during the Gallipoli campaign.

The Spetsnaz probably have the toughest training. Look up Spetsnaz training. Some of it is really nasty. US SEAL training is a game of Go Fish for the Spetsnaz.

On topic,I think the SASR or the Chindits are the best special forces.

The SASR is an Australian sub-division of the SAS.

The Chindits were a guerrila oriented force who operated behind Japanese lines during WW2.

snakes_codec

but torturing a soldier doesn't make him any more capable of firing a weapon than anyone else there good when it come to torture but when the shooting starts especially in hostage rescue situations spetsnaz are tactical inept when it comes to sieging buildings every time they take part in one it turns into a blood bath i remember one particular where Chechen rebels had sezed 52 hostages in a movie theater in this situation the Americans would send in SWAT or the British SO19 would have been able to take care of it but they sent in spetnaz and killed more than half of the hostages .

SAS is pretty awesome. Delta Force and First Force Recon are also really awesome, but the American best is the SEALs. I don't think there's such thing as a "best".

darthzew

Basedon what, exactly?

Neither the SEALs, nor the 1st Force Recon are on the same levels of training the Deltas are on, so neither can actually be better than them.

The United States have the best Special Ops squads in the world.

Delta Force

Navy Seals

i dont know. but call of duty 4 is pretty epic.

seriously, how should i know anything about special forces? how do you guys know?