Bill introduced to limit high-capacity ammo clips

You outlaw guns, the outlaw gets them. The irony.

Criminals don't care, they'll still run around with 30 round mags if they had them.

Desulated

What if 11 bears attack me at once?

Oleg_Huzwog

You know, there's a saying. "To cook a frog, don't put it in boiling water. It'll jump out. Slowly turn up the heat."

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

What if 11 bears attack me at once?

BranKetra

You know, there's a saying. "To cook a frog, don't put it in boiling water. It'll jump out. Slowly turn up the heat."

The gangmembers were using grenades. We should legalize rocketlaunchers, otherwise only criminals will be able to defend themselves.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

What if 11 bears attack me at once?

topgunmv

You know, there's a saying. "To cook a frog, don't put it in boiling water. It'll jump out. Slowly turn up the heat."

The gangmembers were using grenades. We should legalize rocketlaunchers, otherwise only criminals will be able to defend themselves.

[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"]WTF is a clip? It's a MAGAZINE. I hate when people call them clips.WhiteKnight77

Semiautomatic pistols use clips. Rifles use magazines.

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So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

The only real "solution" is to take all guns away, and I'm not for that. I'm just trying to show you how pointless this kind of legislation in

So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

The only real "solution" is to take all guns away, and I'm not for that. I'm just trying to show you how pointless this kind of legislation in

Wasdie

Why aren't you for taking guns away?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

The only real "solution" is to take all guns away, and I'm not for that. I'm just trying to show you how pointless this kind of legislation in

raynimrod

Why aren't you for taking guns away?

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"]WTF is a clip? It's a MAGAZINE. I hate when people call them clips.On3ShotOneKill

Semiautomatic pistols use clips. Rifles use magazines.

Example:

What you are illustrating is a rifle magazine. This 45 uses a clip.

That was extensively drilled into our heads while I was in boot camp. Not to mention that I have been shooting for close to 40 years.

So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

Wasdie

The same thing that stopped him from reloading another high-capacity ammo clip - bystanders overwhelmed him when they saw he was empty and trying to reload. I think it's valid to say if he had lower-volume clips, then there'd have been fewer shots fired.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

Oleg_Huzwog

The same thing that stopped him from reloading another high-capacity ammo clip - bystanders overwhelmed him when they saw he was empty and trying to reload. I think it's valid to say if he had lower-volume clips, then there'd have been fewer shots fired.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Semiautomatic pistols use clips. Rifles use magazines.

WhiteKnight77

Example:

What you are illustrating is a rifle magazine. This 45 uses a clip.

That was extensively drilled into our heads while I was in boot camp. Not to mention that I have been shooting for close to 40 years.

What boot camp did you go to, the M1911 is a single acting sem-auto, magazine fed handgun. Now the M1 Garand that uses a clipwhich feeds an internal magazine.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So you're saying if he didn't have the high-capacity ammo clip, he wouldn't have killed as many people? So what was stopping him from quickly reloading and kept shooting...

The only real "solution" is to take all guns away, and I'm not for that. I'm just trying to show you how pointless this kind of legislation in

Verge_6

Why aren't you for taking guns away?

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Why aren't you for taking guns away?

raynimrod

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Semiautomatic pistols use clips. Rifles use magazines.

WhiteKnight77

Example:

What you are illustrating is a rifle magazine. This 45 uses a clip.

That was extensively drilled into our heads while I was in boot camp. Not to mention that I have been shooting for close to 40 years.

What? That is also a magazine as well. The difference is the way that they feed bullets into a firearm, not what kind of firearm they are used in. It's like saying "Tires" when you meant "wheels".

I'm not the kind of person to get all up in arms over people getting gun terminology wrong, but it is nice to inform others :P

This is also a hillariously appropriate thread that deals with this specific debate and it's on an M1911 enthusiast forum: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=39049

It's also interesting to know that you were in the military. What branch?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Why aren't you for taking guns away?

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

Anyone who has played Red Dead Redemption understands the importance of high-capacity clips. What am I supposed to do when i've got ten people coming at me and I can only target eight of them in dead eye?fidosim

Or more importantly, what about when my horse gets one-shotted by a mountain lion that came out of nowhere so my only option is to fire blindly whilst s***ing my pants and running away? I can't waste time reloading while I've got all that important stuff going on.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Yeah, and how in the name of Christ are you going to take away all guns in a nation that has had guns pouring into it since the day it was founded? Brilliant plan there. You should totally submit that to congress.Verge_6

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

WTF is a clip? It's a MAGAZINE. I hate when people call them clips.BreakTheseLinks

What boot camp did you go to, the M1911 is a single acting sem-auto, magazine fed handgun. Now the M1 Garand that uses a clipwhich feeds an internal magazine.

Chaos_HL21

I went to Parris Island and I know what an M1911 is. I also know what an M1 is.

[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"]WTF is a clip? It's a MAGAZINE. I hate when people call them clips.-Big_Red-

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

Good.

People don't need that much.

thegerg

How many do we need? On what do you base your assessment?

So they'll buy more.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Yeah, and how in the name of Christ are you going to take away all guns in a nation that has had guns pouring into it since the day it was founded? Brilliant plan there. You should totally submit that to congress.Verge_6

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

It's magazine, not clip. I think it's ridiculous. They can just carry extra magazines, you know it doesn't take that long to reload:|

It's my choice whether or not I want to use a 30 round magazine when I go shooting with my assault rifle at the range. People kill people. A magazine isn't going to make a difference in the long run.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

How many do we need? On what do you base your assessment?

thegerg

So they'll buy more.

That doesn't answer the questions. Try again.

How many do people need? On what do you base your assessment?

People need less.

I base my assessment on my opinion.

I don't care about guns or gun control for that matter.

I have my opinion just because.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

raynimrod

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

thegerg

You seem to be very confused. Men don't have the right to own weapons because you can use them for hunting. Men have the right to use weapons because we have the right to defence.

Yes, I've always found it amusing that your Surpreme Court has completely ignored the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

raynimrod

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Yeah, and how's that going to come around? Enlighten me. Are there gonna be calls for all citizens to come out with their firearms and deposit them at the nearest federal building, or are the collection agents actually going to go to the homes and collect them

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

On3ShotOneKill

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

I have heard of prohibition and I know it didn't work well at all. But comparing alcohol, which is used primarily as a recreational passtime, to guns, where their soul purpose is to inflict harm, is a bit nonsensical I think. Either way you may be right, it could well be impossible, but I'm just trying to offer the "other" perspective.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

I don't think you needed to be so condescending.

While it might not be possible to remove all of the guns (obviously, since there are guns in every country), banning them and confiscating any found would be a good start.

raynimrod

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

England banned all gun ownership (save for some shotguns) and still crime exists and attacks by knives increased along with other types of weapons. Is England to ban cricket so people cannot have access to a cricket bat so it can't be used as a weapon. It is not the instrument, but the person behind said instrument. Normally inanimate objects only become animate when a person picks it up to use it.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I don't care about guns or gun control for that matter.

thegerg

This statement and your other statements contradict each other.

In general, I don't like guns for outlandish reasons and mostly in vidya games.

My prior comment had nothing to do with my opinion.

I just like saying crap.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Yeah, and how's that going to come around? Enlighten me. Are there gonna be calls for all citizens to come out with their firearms and deposit them at the nearest federal building, or are the collection agents actually going to go to the homes and collect them

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Verge_6

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

Okay, well I'm American and he's one hundred percent right. There's nothing wrong with defending your home or going hunting, but you don't need assault weapons or high capacity clips to do that. There's no reason average citizens should be walking around with these military-grade weapons and in some instances using them to do extreme harm to others.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Yeah, and how's that going to come around? Enlighten me. Are there gonna be calls for all citizens to come out with their firearms and deposit them at the nearest federal building, or are the collection agents actually going to go to the homes and collect them

? What about the compensation? Who's gonna handle the untold billions distributed to private citizens to compensate them for their guns? How're tabs gonna be kept on the millions of arms that are in the nation and whether they were turned in or not? You might as well call on/support a ban of knives.

Verge_6

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

High horse I see. I have the right to offer my opinion, which is all that I have done. If you've taken it in the context of me telling you what you have to do, that's your problem. I'm suggesting what could be done and what I think ought to be done - I'm entitled to that opinion.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

raynimrod

I have heard of prohibition and I know it didn't work well at all. But comparing alcohol, which is used primarily as a recreational passtime, to guns, where their soul purpose is to inflict harm, is a bit nonsensical I think. Either way you may be right, it could well be impossible, but I'm just trying to offer the "other" perspective.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Baby steps perhaps? The sale of guns and especially ammunition could be banned except for hunting purposes, and the requirements for obtaining such permits could be tightened. At the very least, something needs to be done to try and adjust the gun-loving culture so that eventually getting rid of guns might become easier. Just giving up and saying "don't worry about it, we can't do anything", which is essentially what you're saying, isn't going to help.

Granted, I'm not American and I've never even been to America, but having so many guns and so many shootings is just destructive and it can't be good for your country.

theone86

Okay, well I'm American and he's one hundred percent right. There's nothing wrong with defending your home or going hunting, but you don't need assault weapons or high capacity clips to do that. There's no reason average citizens should be walking around with these military-grade weapons and in some instances using them to do extreme harm to others.