Bill introduced to limit high-capacity ammo clips

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#251 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] Considering the ridiculously high levels of gun crime in your country it seems like a well earned reputation.

High levels compared to Europe? Sure. High levels compared to deaths caused by things that are not guns, like cars and disease? Nope, not even close. The "American gun problem" is a bit of hyperbole. Granted, there can be more regulation regarding guns, but prohibition is flat out idiotic. I don't see anyone complaining about the widespread amount of guns in Sweden. Oh wait, they are a European nation with a different culture. We won't pay any attention tothose facts and just assume the gun problem in America is due to availability and not culture.

Uhh... Gun ownership in Sweden is equal to that of Canada. Feel free to do some research on the matter, rather than pulling info from loony pro-gun sites.

Too bad I don't go to any gun websites :P How are those unfounded assumptions working for ya? Regarding your actual question, I meant Norway, which has a high amount of firearms nationally, but very low gun crime rates. Nice try though :)
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#252 coolbeans90
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Fortunately the bill will be dead on arrival to the house. Glad this thing didn't come to the floor a month ago. That would be cause for concern.

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#253 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="Mr_Sesshomaru"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Sesshomaru"]

I've rarely seen a clip over 5 bullets. And never seen one past 10.

I usually see them in 5 or 10 and mags up to 30.

A 30 round magazine, yes, but a clip over 10 bullets is just not practical.

Exactly.
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#254 Dudewrsmygame
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What if 11 bears attack me at once?

Oleg_Huzwog

I bet you could own at least one bear with a knife.:D

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#255 -TheSecondSign-
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What would that do, exactly?

Make it where we can't purchase the easily obtainable 10+ round magazines that you can find in a bargain bin in practically any pawn shop that sells guns?

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#256 Shmiity
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argg ITS MAG NOT CLIP. For some reason that really bothers me. Its a 10 round magazine- not a clip. A clip is something that you feed into like a Lee Enfield.

Anyway, on topic, I dont even know why they are bothering. In real life one bullet is lethal. It doesnt matter if you have 10 or 15 or 20.

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#257 Mr_Sesshomaru
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

It seems Midway is selling Glock 33 round magazines for 35.99 USD. That's almost ten dollars cheaper than most places. I'm tempted to pick up a few.

Verge_6

If it's not banana-shaped and not made of com-block steel, I ain't interested.

I, too, enjoy banana-shaped metal objects.

Also, I believe the user meant Switzerland, not Sweden.

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#258 Mr_Sesshomaru
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argg ITS MAG NOT CLIP. For some reason that really bothers me. Its a 10 round magazine- not a clip. A clip is something that you feed into like a Lee Enfield.

Anyway, on topic, I dont even know why they are bothering. In real life one bullet is lethal. It doesnt matter if you have 10 or 15 or 20.

Shmiity

Exactly what I've been suggesting, but it seems that no one really got it. Though I should look for a 30 round clip to feed into a Mosin. Would be brutal.

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#259 -TheSecondSign-
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I still do not understand the point behind this.

How are we going to "limit" the sale of an object that already exists in such quantity that you can find them practically everywhere guns are sold?

A magazine is a metal box with a spring in it that feeds rounds into a firearm. You can hold it together with duct tape and Elmer's Glue, if need be.

I have six 30 round magazines in my room right now. I got them as part of a miltiary issue from CIF.

These things are so plentiful I don't see the point in it. People will still have them.

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#260 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I still do not understand the point behind this.

How are we going to "limit" the sale of an object that already exists in such quantity that you can find them practically everywhere guns are sold?

A magazine is a metal box with a spring in it that feeds rounds into a firearm. You can hold it together with duct tape and Elmer's Glue, if need be.

I have six 30 round magazines in my room right now. I got them as part of a miltiary issue from CIF.

These things are so plentiful I don't see the point in it. People will still have them.

This bill will most likely be DOA due to the impracticality of it.
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#261 Espada12
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There's actually no point to this but whatever.

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#262 -TheSecondSign-
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[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I still do not understand the point behind this.

How are we going to "limit" the sale of an object that already exists in such quantity that you can find them practically everywhere guns are sold?

A magazine is a metal box with a spring in it that feeds rounds into a firearm. You can hold it together with duct tape and Elmer's Glue, if need be.

I have six 30 round magazines in my room right now. I got them as part of a miltiary issue from CIF.

These things are so plentiful I don't see the point in it. People will still have them.

On3ShotOneKill

This bill will most likely be DOA due to the impracticality of it.

People seem to think a magazine is a special device that is difficult to manufacture. Its just a metal box with a spring and a feeding tray in it. I've seen them get ripped in half and still work.

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#263 Espada12
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Too bad I don't go to any gun websites :P How are those unfounded assumptions working for ya? Regarding your actual question, I meant Norway, which has a high amount of firearms nationally, but very low gun crime rates. Nice try though :)On3ShotOneKill

Italy, Germany, Austria and the others (such as finland as you stated) have relatively lax guns laws as well.. not sure why people like using Europe as some shining example against American gun ownership.

Mexico on the other hand has strict gun laws.. it's working out great there though! =/

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#264 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

Too bad I don't go to any gun websites :P How are those unfounded assumptions working for ya? Regarding your actual question, I meant Norway, which has a high amount of firearms nationally, but very low gun crime rates. Nice try though :)

Italy, Germany, Austria and the others (such as finland as you stated) have relatively lax guns laws as well.. not sure why people like using Europe as some shining example against American gun ownership.

Mexico on the other hand has strict gun laws.. it's working out great there though! =/

That is also another fantastic point!!!! Is your family still doing ok in Mexico btw?
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#265 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

Too bad I don't go to any gun websites :P How are those unfounded assumptions working for ya? Regarding your actual question, I meant Norway, which has a high amount of firearms nationally, but very low gun crime rates. Nice try though :)On3ShotOneKill

Italy, Germany, Austria and the others (such as finland as you stated) have relatively lax guns laws as well.. not sure why people like using Europe as some shining example against American gun ownership.

Mexico on the other hand has strict gun laws.. it's working out great there though! =/

That is also another fantastic point!!!! Is your family still doing ok in Mexico btw?

I don't have family in mexico lol

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#266 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Italy, Germany, Austria and the others (such as finland as you stated) have relatively lax guns laws as well.. not sure why people like using Europe as some shining example against American gun ownership.

Mexico on the other hand has strict gun laws.. it's working out great there though! =/

That is also another fantastic point!!!! Is your family still doing ok in Mexico btw?

I don't have family in mexico lol

I though you said you did in that Mexican farmer thread?
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#267 Espada12
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I though you said you did in that Mexican farmer thread?On3ShotOneKill

Mexican farmer thread? O.O

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#268 Chickity_China
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Umm, how bout more stringent background checks because that kid was clearly mentally disturbed and had a very shady history. Now many people won't even be able to own Glocks, Walthers, Barettas, etc. because those guns were designed for magazines that hold 15 rounds. Maybe magazine manufacturers will make singlestack mags for them however.

States like NJ already have a 15 round max magazine capacity so this is nothing new.

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#269 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]I though you said you did in that Mexican farmer thread?Espada12

Mexican farmer thread? O.O

The thread I created about the Mexican farmer who killed four drug cartel members?
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#270 Desulated
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[QUOTE="Desulated"]

You outlaw guns, the outlaw gets them. The irony.

Criminals don't care, they'll still run around with 30 round mags if they had them.

wstfld

If you can't sell them legally, they will be harder to get for criminals. You don't see many grenade or bazooka attacks, do you? Criminals don't care so I assume they all have C4 in their closets also.

First of all, criminals don't run around with bazookas because it's common sense. And second of all, there's always the smuggling market. Imposing intensive restrictions more strict than a totalitarian state's rule is just a waste of tax money and time.

You want to see bazooka and grenade attacks? Go to Mexico or the Middle East.

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#271 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]I though you said you did in that Mexican farmer thread?On3ShotOneKill

Mexican farmer thread? O.O

The thread I created about the Mexican farmer who killed four drug cartel members?

I don't remember ever posting in such a thread.

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#272 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Desulated"]

You outlaw guns, the outlaw gets them. The irony.

Criminals don't care, they'll still run around with 30 round mags if they had them.

Desulated

If you can't sell them legally, they will be harder to get for criminals. You don't see many grenade or bazooka attacks, do you? Criminals don't care so I assume they all have C4 in their closets also.

First of all, criminals don't run around with bazookas because it's common sense. And second of all, there's always the smuggling market. Imposing intensive restrictions more strict than a totalitarian state's rule is just a waste of tax money and time.

You want to see bazooka and grenade attacks? Go to Mexico or the Middle East.

Comparing the distribution and ability to obtain magazines to those of bazookas and grenades is also laughably WTF-inducing.
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#273 Desulated
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Well, first of all, if you see some guy try to rob a store with an RPG, you know he isn't terribly bright. :lol:

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#274 On3ShotOneKill
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[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Mexican farmer thread? O.O

Espada12

The thread I created about the Mexican farmer who killed four drug cartel members?

I don't remember ever posting in such a thread.

Sorry then. Your avatar is very similar to another guy who did post in it :P

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#275 MichaeltheCM
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it makes sense to me. if it isn't enough, just buy an extra clip right? (i dont know anything about guns and i do not own one)
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#276 DigitalExile
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What if 11 bears attack me at once?

Oleg_Huzwog

What if one British person looked at me funny? I have the right to defend myself with a fully automatic AK47 with 100 round drum magazine god damnit! It says so on one of those pieces of paper in the White House.

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#278 Jamiemydearx3
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This is stupid. Most murderers that use guns use handguns. Not because it has a low, or high clip, but because they are easily concealable. If you want to help stop murders like you say you do then ban all handguns.-Big_Red-
You know..There were murderers before handguns. :|

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#279 Palantas
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Ten rounds seems entirely arbitrary. I carry a 1911-style pistol (I work in private security) that has a seven-round magazine. I use that weapon because I feel I am best able to fight with it, as opposed to a Glock, Berretta, or whatever, even though they have larger magazines. A 15-round magazine doesn't make those pistols somehow far more effective or dangerous than my .45. All of these weapons are designed to be reloaded quickly. What I read in that article suggests this bill was cooked up by someone with litlte knowledge of firearms. The operation of the pistol used in the Arizona shooting is what should be targetted in a bill, not the magazine capacity.
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#280 vfibsux
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[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

Gun control freaks never cease to amaze me.

Why don't you people understand the basic logic that the only people affected by gun laws are people who follow laws? Violent and insane people do not care about your laws, if they did they would not be a threat anyway!

By using that "basic logic" there's no point legislating anything, since criminals won't care or follow the laws.

Brilliant.

Terrible analogy and on the extremem of intellectual dishonesty. Stealing is against the law but does it impede the rights of anyone? Murder is against the law does it impede the rights of anyone? Does making armed robbery against the law impede the rights of anyone? You sir are not being honest here. Outlawing a gun which a lawful abiding citizen owns, a citizen who will never commit a crime with that gun, is useless and only serves to punish that citizen. Yea, brilliant indeed.
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#281 vfibsux
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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Bladecutter56"]

These laws only effect people who follow them.

That is terrible logic. Having a law sometimes forces someone to follow them. If you can't legally sell extended clips in the US, there will be infinitely less extended clips in the US. If there is a law against smoking in a bar, its pretty hard to light one up inside of a bar

No sir, there will be less clips in LAW ABIDING CITIZENS hands. You people are like talking to a brick wall.
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#282 vfibsux
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[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

Gun control freaks never cease to amaze me.

Why don't you people understand the basic logic that the only people affected by gun laws are people who follow laws? Violent and insane people do not care about your laws, if they did they would not be a threat anyway!

no_more_fayth

By using that "basic logic" there's no point legislating anything, since criminals won't care or follow the laws.

Brilliant.

That's what I thought when reading that post. :lol:

Then you are just as shallow as the last guy.

You people do know there is already a law against murdering people right? How is that one working out for you?

Fact, 50% of gun deaths in the US are self inflicted. Hmmmm...

Outlaw guns! Drive your suv through them instead. Outlaw suv's!

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#283 no_more_fayth
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

By using that "basic logic" there's no point legislating anything, since criminals won't care or follow the laws.

Brilliant.

vfibsux

That's what I thought when reading that post. :lol:

Then you are just as shallow as the last guy.

The reason why people are so adamant about gun control is the fact that America's murder rates with firearms are drastically higher than other countries, namely Canada.

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ban em i say.. ban em all
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#285 Palantas
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

That's what I thought when reading that post. :lol:

Then you are just as shallow as the last guy.

The reason why people are so adamant about gun control is the fact that America's murder rates with firearms are drastically higher than other countries, namely Canada.

Have you determined that these murder rates are due to a lack of gun control laws?
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#286 Barbariser
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This isn't going to do anything. Most clips ALREADY contain ten or less cartridges - it's when you combine them in a detachable box magazine that you get 20+ potential shots.

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#287 no_more_fayth
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"] Then you are just as shallow as the last guy.Palantas

The reason why people are so adamant about gun control is the fact that America's murder rates with firearms are drastically higher than other countries, namely Canada.

Have you determined that these murder rates are due to a lack of gun control laws?

Not me personally, but most gun control people do.

I just think Americans are naturally more violent.

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#288 revolution2k6
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What if 11 bears attack me at once?

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Two bears, one bullet :P

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#289 MagnumPI
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Bills like these are intoduced by people who have never used a gun and have no clue what they are talking about. I don't mind a 9 round magazine, but if you want to carry 45 rounds you must buyfive magazines for $45 a piece when you can just by 3 15's for $45 eachprice. Assuming they are top notch magazines.

Therewould beso many pre-ban magazines stock piled in warehouses that it would take like 30-40 years for the bill to restrict anyone from getting high cap magazines. There are millions of magazines from world war II still floating around. They weren't subject to prior capacity bans WHICH was part of the reason why thecapacity ban was lifted about seven or eight years back.

It's also stupid because all you have to do to enable a magazine to carry more rounds is to make a simple modification to the follower and you can put as mamy as the housing will allow you to fit. Most Manufactures don't make a single stack version nor a double stack magazine with ashort housing and a solid extension. They just make the follower longer. To fix that you just smiply cut the follower down to re-enable a maximum capacity. It's not legal but does someone who will be going on a shooting spree care? NO.

It takes meabout a second to drop a 7-9 round magazine, insert a new one and load the chamber. I can do it just as fast with arevolver if I have speed loaders.

I prefer a single stack anyway.So I just get a large caliber. A 6+1, 7+1, 8+1, or9+1.38 or .45 Auto Colt. If you have less rounds use a caliber and loadthat is more likely to kill andrarely wound. Because that's what you are trading with capacity. It's less lethal but you get more rounds. More lethal ammunition isless rounds with maximum killing potential. Plus anyone who know their ballistics and ammo is goig to choose the best ammunition for the job. Not get a 32+1 magazine just to load the gun with 9mm light loads (spit balls) If you hit someone in the head with a good 9mm round it will tear their will be no recovery from the wound.

What if they were to pass a law. I have personal guns that have High cap magazines. So say the law passess. They coulcn't legallytake them fromme since they would bepre-ban fiearms and accessories. So what would be prevented if Iwere to sell them and theyend up at a gun show of flea marketwith thousands just like it. So some nut goes in there and busy five 9mm pistols with 20ish or 30ish round magazines then goes to some public place and shoots it up. So a new magazine bill won't prevent anything.

If they ban high cap magazine or guns you just buy a pre-ban gun or magazines. Meaning it's not subject to the ban because it was put into circulation before the ban. Hence pre-ban. So you can ALWAYS get high-cap magazines no matter what bills they pass. You just think they are actually do something because you nothingof it to begin with. You think they are doing something but that's because you don't know how the system works. But it makes them look good to you.

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#290 Ravensmash
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We don't get any bullets, so stop your moaning . :P
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#291 GTA_dude
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That was a sad day. I live in arizona, and I know alot of people going to U of A, and they were literally only like a block away from the shooting when it happened
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#292 surrealnumber5
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sounds like an arbitrary limit, why not make it 1 round or 100?
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#293 no_more_fayth
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I have a question for gun enthusiasts:

Why does America have more gun-related homicides than Canada?

They have just as much, similar laws, and it's just as easy to obtain one.

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#294 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

The reason why people are so adamant about gun control is the fact that America's murder rates with firearms are drastically higher than other countries, namely Canada.

Have you determined that these murder rates are due to a lack of gun control laws?

Not me personally, but most gun control people do.

I just think Americans are naturally more violent.

most people that dont like guns dont like guns... shocker
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#295 no_more_fayth
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"] Have you determined that these murder rates are due to a lack of gun control laws?surrealnumber5

Not me personally, but most gun control people do.

I just think Americans are naturally more violent.

most people that dont like guns dont like guns... shocker

Most gun nuts are nutty... shocker.

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#296 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I have a question of gun enthusiasts:

Why does America have more gun-related homicides than Canada?

They have just as much, similar laws, and it's just as easy to obtain one.

because there are more people in the states than there are in maple country.
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#297 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

Not me personally, but most gun control people do.

I just think Americans are naturally more violent.

most people that dont like guns dont like guns... shocker

Most gun nuts are nutty... shocker.

proof or is that just slander?
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#298 no_more_fayth
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

I have a question of gun enthusiasts:

Why does America have more gun-related homicides than Canada?

They have just as much, similar laws, and it's just as easy to obtain one.

surrealnumber5

because there are more people in the states than there are in maple country.

The firearm homicide rate per 100,000 population is 0.54 in Canada and 2.97 in America.

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#299 JasonDarksavior
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What if 11 bears attack me at once?

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Get a collateral xD
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#300 Palantas
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I read through this thread, and there seem to be more pro-gun people here than otherwise. I'm surprised. Various comments...

[quote="BreakTheseLinks"]

WTF is a clip? It's a magazine.

WhiteKnight77

Semiautomatic pistols use clips. Rifles use magazines.

I was under the impression that a magazine loads rounds into a chamber, whereas a clip loads rounds into a magazine. So I disagree with WhiteKnight on this one.

[quote="topgunmv"]

The gangmembers were using grenades. We should legalize rocketlaunchers, otherwise only criminals will be able to defend themselves.

BranKetra

That's a stretch.

It's a "stretch" because firearms and rocket launchers are different categories of weapons. A rocket launcher is not strictly an anti-personnel weapon. It's designed to destroy improved fighting positions or vehicles. Neither of those fall into the realm of personal self defense. Or to put this another way, even if someone was shooting at you with a rocket launcher, you'd rather have any number of small arms (read, "guns") to shoot back with.

Yes, I've always found it amusing that your Surpreme Court has completely ignored the prefatory clause of the Second Amendment.

raynimrod

I know, right? Idiots.

It's my choice whether or not I want to use a 30 round magazine when I go shooting with my assault rifle at the range. People kill people. A magazine isn't going to make a difference in the long run.

airshocker

I was under the impression that persons owning assault rifles (or "assault weapons") kill at least two people each week until they are either arrested or killed by someone else with an assault rifle. So are you accessing GameSpot from prison, or just inbetween shooting people?

(Attn. mods: Sarcasm)

I just think Americans are naturally more violent.

no_more_fayth

I see.