Bin laden shows sympathy for the US people and offers advice

America needs Israel for military reasons, and Israel needs America for financial reasons. I can't see it ending.

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="mixedplanet"] like i said, in my opinion it looks shady and its just a personal judgement. I am accusing NOT anybody here.

mixedplanet

who the heck is bin laden?

How is he showing sympathy? He is telling us to back down or else he will continue. He is trying to order a retreat from the U.S. Why? Probably for a couple of reaons. 1)because he is running low on resources and won't be able to carry it out much longer. or 2)he wants us to step down because even HE is tired of all of this bull. He isn't sympathetic and deserves to be blown off the face of the Earth. I say we DO finish this thing in Afghanistan by dropping every single one of our nukes across their sorry country. Don't harbor a malicious group and not expect their to be a coincidence. That is all...

xXDante666Xx

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"][QUOTE="Dasacant"] It certinly seemed like you were trying to discredit my earlier statement. In any case what makes it seem shady to you? LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...it is an incredibly radical Sunni Islamic ideology that stresses violent, global Jihad against anything and everything that is not what they deem Islamic. Qutbist groups like Al Qaeda believe that Islam is by and large dead, and that Qutbist vanguards (like Al Qaeda) are the only "true" Muslims, and that it is their God-given duty to revive Islam throughout the globe.-Sun_Tzu-

I'm surprised he has the nerve to say that after what he did.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"] the video was very poor in quality and that guy did not look like bin laden to me. mixedplanet

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"] the video was very poor in quality and that guy did not look like bin laden to me. mixedplanet

Osama never Bin Laden is a mass murderer, and i can't wait to hear that he has been vaporized.

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...it is an incredibly radical Sunni Islamic ideology that stresses violent, global Jihad against anything and everything that is not what they deem Islamic. Qutbist groups like Al Qaeda believe that Islam is by and large dead, and that Qutbist vanguards (like Al Qaeda) are the only "true" Muslims, and that it is their God-given duty to revive Islam throughout the globe.-Sun_Tzu-

and the link you provided doesnt show that bin laden wants to wage a war against west coz west is not muslims. thats why i said that i dont see any signs of qutbism in that link you provided. some "terror experts" might say Al-Qaeda and bin laden follow Qutbism...but i sure as hell dont see that from the link you provided

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

oh dear there is no point arguing with you

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"] did you ever read any of Sayyad Qutb's book, or are you just doing a wiki search?mixedplanet

http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/MILESTONES.pdf

Seems like a fairly poor way to get a complete profile of the man honestly especially when one of your points was poor video quality.

Dasacant

That doesn't answer my question.

LJS9502_basic

how? there are enough video tapes of him and enough pictures and imo the guy in VHS confession tape does not look like bin laden. All i am comparing is his looks.

Our relationship with Israel doesn't mean a damn thing vis-a-vis Al Qaeda. We could be the worst enemy of Israel and it wouldn't make a difference to them. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

and the link you provided doesnt show that bin laden wants to wage a war against west coz west is not muslims. thats why i said that i dont see any signs of qutbism in that link you provided. some "terror experts" might say Al-Qaeda and bin laden follow Qutbism...but i sure as hell dont see that from the link you provided

sikanderahmed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

oh dear there is no point arguing with you

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes I have read Qutb's book, I even recommended it earlier in this thread...

-Sun_Tzu-

http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/MILESTONES.pdf

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Our relationship with Israel doesn't mean a damn thing vis-a-vis Al Qaeda. We could be the worst enemy of Israel and it wouldn't make a difference to them. Maqda7

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Demanding us to adopt Sharia law and to oppress women, gays, Jews, ect. That is Qutbism. If you actually read the letter I linked it says in the last paragraph, "If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation." Kinda sounds like the call for a violent Jihad if we don't become what they consider Islamic and adopt Sharia law...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

-Sun_Tzu-

oh dear there is no point arguing with you

yup totally true facts bro, really cant argue them....bye :roll:

[QUOTE="Dasacant"]

Seems like a fairly poor way to get a complete profile of the man honestly especially when one of your points was poor video quality.

mixedplanet

That doesn't answer my question.

LJS9502_basic

how? there are enough video tapes of him and enough pictures and imo the guy in VHS confession tape does not look like bin laden. All i am comparing is his looks.

[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Our relationship with Israel doesn't mean a damn thing vis-a-vis Al Qaeda. We could be the worst enemy of Israel and it wouldn't make a difference to them. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Dasacant"]

Seems like a fairly poor way to get a complete profile of the man honestly especially when one of your points was poor video quality.

mixedplanet

That doesn't answer my question.

LJS9502_basic

how? there are enough video tapes of him and enough pictures and imo the guy in VHS confession tape does not look like bin laden. All i am comparing is his looks.

[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Our relationship with Israel doesn't mean a damn thing vis-a-vis Al Qaeda. We could be the worst enemy of Israel and it wouldn't make a difference to them. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Maqda7"] I strongly disagree.Maqda7

It's one of those things that can't be supported by facts but Ifeel by having living here in the region and talking about the issue quite a bitthat 90% have a fury hatred for Israelis and what their doing to palestinenians. The other 10% have a hatred for Arab countries for not doing anything about it. It doesn't seem that unlikely that Osama bin Laden would stop if the US severes ties with Israel.

Maqda7

9/11 was NOT about our relationship with Israel, it was an (however misguided) act of war against Christianity and the Western world, which is seen as one and the same by much of the world, including the Middle East. The attack was supposedly God's judgement for Christian immorality, which is in fact not the actions of Christians (usually), but popular culture and media. The myth that everyone in the West is a Christian needs to be eliminated because it gives a totally false light to the teachings of Christ. I think what we will see in the coming years is a mass exodus of church attenders who don't really believe in Christianity and a smaller, yet stronger group of core believers. This is what has happened in Europe since WW2, especially countires like Sweden and the Netherlands. It's also the same as what happened in China after the communist revolution. While I don't think it would be a good thing for church attendance to fall as far as in Europe, it isn't really my place to judge those who leave and I don't know how Christianity will come out on the otehr side.

9/11 was NOT about our relationship with Israel, it was an (however misguided) act of war against Christianity and the Western world, which is seen as one and the same by much of the world, including the Middle East. The attack was supposedly God's judgement for Christian immorality, which is in fact not the actions of Christians (usually), but popular culture and media. The myth that everyone in the West is a Christian needs to be eliminated because it gives a totally false light to the teachings of Christ. I think what we will see in the coming years is a mass exodus of church attenders who don't really believe in Christianity and a smaller, yet stronger group of core believers. This is what has happened in Europe since WW2, especially countires like Sweden and the Netherlands. It's also the same as what happened in China after the communist revolution. While I don't think it would be a good thing for church attendance to fall as far as in Europe, it isn't really my place to judge those who leave and I don't know how Christianity will come out on the otehr side.

bachilders

9/11 was NOT about our relationship with Israel, it was an (however misguided) act of war against Christianity and the Western world, which is seen as one and the same by much of the world, including the Middle East. The attack was supposedly God's judgement for Christian immorality, which is in fact not the actions of Christians (usually), but popular culture and media. The myth that everyone in the West is a Christian needs to be eliminated because it gives a totally false light to the teachings of Christ. I think what we will see in the coming years is a mass exodus of church attenders who don't really believe in Christianity and a smaller, yet stronger group of core believers. This is what has happened in Europe since WW2, especially countires like Sweden and the Netherlands. It's also the same as what happened in China after the communist revolution. While I don't think it would be a good thing for church attendance to fall as far as in Europe, it isn't really my place to judge those who leave and I don't know how Christianity will come out on the otehr side.

bachilders

I don't believe tihs especially since bin laden recognises that the US separates church and the state.

[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Of course Israel is the least of popular nations amongst Al Qaeda, and it would probably make Bin Laden a very happy man if the U.S. were to cut ties with Israel and he would view it as a huge victory, but it would not be enough for him to end his Jihad. Bin Laden has listed out what he wants the U.S. to do, and while cutting ties with Israel is on that list, it is not his only demand. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Maqda7"] It's one of those things that can't be supported by facts but Ifeel by having living here in the region and talking about the issue quite a bitthat 90% have a fury hatred for Israelis and what their doing to palestinenians. The other 10% have a hatred for Arab countries for not doing anything about it. It doesn't seem that unlikely that Osama bin Laden would stop if the US severes ties with Israel.

Aw, see? He does care!

[QUOTE="Maqda7"] I didn't mean he'll stop Jihad in general. He'll just stop the terrorist attacks against the U.S.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Maqda7"] I didn't mean he'll stop Jihad in general. He'll just stop the terrorist attacks against the U.S.Maqda7

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Maqda7"] I didn't mean he'll stop Jihad in general. He'll just stop the terrorist attacks against the U.S.Maqda7

[QUOTE="bangell99"]

Great, let's take advice from a mass-murdering nutter who lives in a remote cave in the middle of nowhere and has very few friends.

Yandere

Don't people do that when they make relationship threads?

Touche....except the people giving information arent ALWAYS like that...sometimes they live in a basement :P

[QUOTE="Maqda7"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That is a big part of what his Jihad is. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Maqda7"] No Jihad is just murdering in what they believe is the word of god. It's not specifically against the US. It's mostly against Israel.mixedplanet

"When [Muslims] speak about Jihaad, they speak clumsily and mix up the various stages, distorting the whole concept of Jihaad and deriving from the Qur'anic verses final principles and generalities for which there is no justification. This is because they regard every verse of the Qur'an as if it were the final principle of this religion. This group of thinkers, who are a product of the sorry state of the present Muslim generation, have nothing but the label of Islam and have laid down their spiritual and rational arms in defeat. They say, "Islam has prescribed only defensive war"! and think that they have done some good for their religion by depriving it of its method, which is to abolish all injustice from the earth, to bring people to the worship of God alone, and to bring them out of servitude to others into the servants of the Lord ."

That is not what Qutb preached. He preached the opposite.

-Sun_Tzu-

and then there is a concept of peace treaty... it has to be in there if sayyad qutb is an "Islamist".

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So this makes up for all the people he killed???

[QUOTE="bachilders"]

9/11 was NOT about our relationship with Israel, it was an (however misguided) act of war against Christianity and the Western world, which is seen as one and the same by much of the world, including the Middle East. The attack was supposedly God's judgement for Christian immorality, which is in fact not the actions of Christians (usually), but popular culture and media. The myth that everyone in the West is a Christian needs to be eliminated because it gives a totally false light to the teachings of Christ. I think what we will see in the coming years is a mass exodus of church attenders who don't really believe in Christianity and a smaller, yet stronger group of core believers. This is what has happened in Europe since WW2, especially countires like Sweden and the Netherlands. It's also the same as what happened in China after the communist revolution. While I don't think it would be a good thing for church attendance to fall as far as in Europe, it isn't really my place to judge those who leave and I don't know how Christianity will come out on the otehr side.

streloksbolt

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

That is not what Qutb preached. He preached the opposite.

mixedplanet

and then there is a concept of peace treaty... it has to be in there if sayyad qutb is an "Islamist".

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[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

That is not what Qutb preached. He preached the opposite.

-Sun_Tzu-

and then there is a concept of peace treaty... it has to be in there if sayyad qutb is an "Islamist".

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That is so obviously fake. The man has been dead for years.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

and then there is a concept of peace treaty... it has to be in there if sayyad qutb is an "Islamist".

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mixedplanet

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

Now, some of what they say is reasonable, like their criticism of Gitmo. But a lot, if not the majority of their demands are completely absurd.

He's trying to appear reasonable to garner international sympathy, and make his cause seem justified. But really, it's just another ploy.