Boston Mayor tells **** chick fil a to stay away

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You know I am totally OK with this, as long as a anti-gay mayor can tell a pro gay company to stay away. Think that would cause a stir?

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You know I am totally OK with this, as long as a anti-gay mayor can tell a pro gay company to stay away. Think that would cause a stir?

AdamPA1006

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You know I am totally OK with this, as long as a anti-gay mayor can tell a pro gay company to stay away. Think that would cause a stir?

AdamPA1006

So can the government prohibit private opinion and private buisness? Is that what USA is about now? Or is this just the mayor's opinion with no real authority or enforcement behind it?

Meh screw Boston Chick Fil A is good.

people who want to b*tch about something just to b*tch about something.Toxic-Seahorse

I really could care less if gay people want to marry, however I don't think a mayor alone should make the decision for everyone of whether or not a company can be allowed to serve it's customers in their area.

I really could care less if gay people want to marry, however I don't think a mayor alone should make the decision for everyone of whether or not a company can be allowed to serve it's customers in their area.

SpartanMSU

So can the government prohibit private opinion and private buisness? Is that what USA is about now? Or is this just the mayor's opinion with no real authority or enforcement behind it?

Philokalia

From the Cathars to gays, you people must always have someone to persecute.

Do you think persecuting people cleanses your sins or some $hit? Or do you just not like to share the air with people who think you're batsh1t insane?

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

So can the government prohibit private opinion and private buisness? Is that what USA is about now? Or is this just the mayor's opinion with no real authority or enforcement behind it?

br0kenrabbit

From the Cathars to gays, you people must always have someone to persecute.

Do you think persecuting people cleanses your sins or some $hit? Or do you just not like to share the air with people who think you're batsh1t insane?

I see you missed his point. Try again.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

I really could care less if gay people want to marry, however I don't think a mayor alone should make the decision for everyone of whether or not a company can be allowed to serve it's customers in their area.

Toxic-Seahorse

I still never had Chickfila, is it any good? Lol.smokingsbad

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

So can the government prohibit private opinion and private buisness? Is that what USA is about now? Or is this just the mayor's opinion with no real authority or enforcement behind it?

SpartanMSU

From the Cathars to gays, you people must always have someone to persecute.

Do you think persecuting people cleanses your sins or some $hit? Or do you just not like to share the air with people who think you're batsh1t insane?

I see you missed his point. Try again.

I wasn't directly addressing the quote, Phil and I have been at this for a while.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

From the Cathars to gays, you people must always have someone to persecute.

Do you think persecuting people cleanses your sins or some $hit? Or do you just not like to share the air with people who think you're batsh1t insane?

br0kenrabbit

I see you missed his point. Try again.

I wasn't directly addressing the quote, Phil and I have been at this for a while.

So I'm assuming you mean he's anti-gay marriage.

He does have a point though, which is similar to the point I made, regardless of his stance.

There was a time when people made fun of Christian organizations that boycotted various businesses for various reasons (a popular boycott being against Disney). However, it seems the roles have switched and the businesses with Christian ideals are the ones being boycotted. Thankfully I hold to the Christian ideal side of things and can still eat my chicken sandwiches. Nomnomnom.mindstorm

What is it they say? "Turnabout is fair play"?

Hey, how many horses did Solomon have?:D (1st Kings 4:26) (2 Chron. 9:25)

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]There was a time when people made fun of Christian organizations that boycotted various businesses for various reasons (a popular boycott being against Disney). However, it seems the roles have switched and the businesses with Christian ideals are the ones being boycotted. Thankfully I hold to the Christian ideal side of things and can still eat my chicken sandwiches. Nomnomnom.br0kenrabbit

What is it they say? "Turnabout is fair play"?

Hey, how many horses did Solomon have?:D (1st Kings 4:26) (2 Chron. 9:25)

I do not know enough about this specific question off the top of my head but I can quote my ESV Study Bible about 1 Kings 4:26 which states the following:

Based on the available OT source documents, the number of stalls is uncertain. Although most Hebrew manuscripts place the number at 40,000, a Greek Septuagint manuscript and one Hebrew manuscript place the number at 4,000, which is also the number indicated in2 Chron. 9:25; hence the number here could possibly be a copying error.(Cf. the 1,400 chariots in1 Kings 10:26, which would suggest fewer than 40,000 horse stalls.) In either case, such a large number of stalls (even 4,000) would violate the prohibition inDeut. 17:16that the king must not acquire many horses for himself. Tripartite pillared buildings have been unearthed at numerous Iron Age sitesMegiddo, Hazor, Beth-shemesh, and elsewhere. Each unit has a central hall flanked by two parallel aisles, separated by rows of pillars. These buildings have been identified by numerous scholars as stalls or stables (although some argue they are storehouses, army barracks, or bazaars) and, indeed, some of them date to the time of Solomon.

That stated, I probably would lean toward the 4000 view without doing more research. Most of my manuscript expertise would be with regard to the New Testament, not the Old.

So I'm assuming you mean he's anti-gay marriage.

He does have a point though, which is similar to the point I made, regardless of his stance.

SpartanMSU

There's a world of difference between denying someone their individual liberty (the far right) and denying those who deny others their liberty access to services (the Mayor).

Is that so difficult to understand?

You don't have to agree with gay marriage, I don't care if you do or don't. Just because you don't agree with it because it disgusts you doesn't mean you have the right to actively persecute them (in this case by denying them their rights).

I personally find two dudes going at it rather gross, and I'm not going to participate in any dude-on-dude activity, but I don't for one moment think that makes my opinion any more valid than that of a gay man.

The difference between me and the far right is that the far right thinks they have the right (no, a DIVINE COMMAND) to deny such people the liberty that they deserve.

Off topic much? :P

I do not know enough about this specific question off the top of my head but I can quote my ESV Study Bible about 1 Kings 4:26 which states the following:

Based on the available OT source documents, the number of stalls is uncertain. Although most Hebrew manuscripts place the number at 40,000, a Greek Septuagint manuscript and one Hebrew manuscript place the number at 4,000, which is also the number indicated in2 Chron. 9:25; hence the number here could possibly be a copying error.(Cf. the 1,400 chariots in1 Kings 10:26, which would suggest fewer than 40,000 horse stalls.) In either case, such a large number of stalls (even 4,000) would violate the prohibition inDeut. 17:16that the king must not acquire many horses for himself. Tripartite pillared buildings have been unearthed at numerous Iron Age sitesMegiddo, Hazor, Beth-shemesh, and elsewhere. Each unit has a central hall flanked by two parallel aisles, separated by rows of pillars. These buildings have been identified by numerous scholars as stalls or stables (although some argue they are storehouses, army barracks, or bazaars) and, indeed, some of them date to the time of Solomon.

That stated, I probably would lean toward the 4000 view without doing more research. Most of my manuscript expertise would be with regard to the New Testament, not the Old.

mindstorm

I've come up against the "There are NO errors in the Bible, it's a DIVINE DOCUMENT and is 100% ACCURATE" crowd so often, I find it amusing to point out the many, many contradictions in the Bible just to watch them stutter. I find it amusing.

At least you admit that the Bible contains errors, I'll give you that.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So I'm assuming you mean he's anti-gay marriage.

He does have a point though, which is similar to the point I made, regardless of his stance.

br0kenrabbit

There's a world of difference between denying someone their individual liberty (the far right) and denying those who deny others their liberty access to services (the Mayor).

Is that so difficult to understand?

You don't have to agree with gay marriage, I don't care if you do or don't. Just because you don't agree with it because it disgusts you doesn't mean you have the right to actively persecute them (in this case by denying them their rights).

I personally find two dudes going at it rather gross, and I'm not going to participate in any dude-on-dude activity, but I don't for one moment think that makes my opinion any more valid than that of a gay man.

The difference between me and the far right is that the far right thinks they have the right (no, a DIVINE COMMAND) to deny such people the liberty that they deserve.

I'm for gay marriage. I really don't care. But the point is here is government overstepping it's reach. A mayor of a city shouldn't be the sole decider on whether or not a business is allowed to serve it's customers because she disagrees with the company founder's position on an issue. She doesn't own the city.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Off topic much? :P

I do not know enough about this specific question off the top of my head but I can quote my ESV Study Bible about 1 Kings 4:26 which states the following:

Based on the available OT source documents, the number of stalls is uncertain. Although most Hebrew manuscripts place the number at 40,000, a Greek Septuagint manuscript and one Hebrew manuscript place the number at 4,000, which is also the number indicated in2 Chron. 9:25; hence the number here could possibly be a copying error.(Cf. the 1,400 chariots in1 Kings 10:26, which would suggest fewer than 40,000 horse stalls.) In either case, such a large number of stalls (even 4,000) would violate the prohibition inDeut. 17:16that the king must not acquire many horses for himself. Tripartite pillared buildings have been unearthed at numerous Iron Age sitesMegiddo, Hazor, Beth-shemesh, and elsewhere. Each unit has a central hall flanked by two parallel aisles, separated by rows of pillars. These buildings have been identified by numerous scholars as stalls or stables (although some argue they are storehouses, army barracks, or bazaars) and, indeed, some of them date to the time of Solomon.

That stated, I probably would lean toward the 4000 view without doing more research. Most of my manuscript expertise would be with regard to the New Testament, not the Old.

br0kenrabbit

I've come up against the "There are NO errors in the Bible, it's a DIVINE DOCUMENT and is 100% ACCURATE" crowd so often, I find it amusing to point out the many, many contradictions in the Bible just to watch them stutter. I find it amusing.

At least you admit that the Bible contains errors, I'll give you that.

Scribe errors made when copying manuscripts? It does happen occasionally but it's normally not a big deal. Errors regarding the nature of who God is and how he has interacted with humanity? Not so much.

As a note that I found upon further study, Solomon did not do all that good of a job keeping himself aligned with the teachings found in Deuteronomy 17:16-17 which states the following (Solomon seems to have gotten his supply of horses from Egypt btw):

"Only he must not acquire many horses for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the LORD has said to you, You shall never return that way again. And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold."

I'm for gay marriage. I really don't care. But the point is here is government overstepping it's reach. A mayor of a city shouldn't be the sole decider on whether or not a business is allowed to serve it's customers because she disagrees with the company founder's position on an issue. She doesn't own the city.

SpartanMSU

The far right doesn't own this nation, either, but you can't tell them that. "Our founding fathers were Christians! This is a Christian nation!"

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches"-Benjamin Franklin

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"-John Adams

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"-Thomas Jefferson

'The US is not now, nor never has been, founded on Christianity'-Treaty of Trent signed by John Adams as president and ratified by
Congress.

And so on...

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

I'm for gay marriage. I really don't care. But the point is here is government overstepping it's reach. A mayor of a city shouldn't be the sole decider on whether or not a business is allowed to serve it's customers because she disagrees with the company founder's position on an issue. She doesn't own the city.

br0kenrabbit

The far right doesn't own this nation, either, but you can't tell them that. "Our founding fathers were Christians! This is a Christian nation!"

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches"-Benjamin Franklin

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"-John Adams

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"-Thomas Jefferson

'The US is not now, nor never has been, founded on Christianity'-Treaty of Trent signed by John Adams as president and ratified by
Congress.

And so on...

That depends upon what you mean by "the Bible contains errors." :P

Scribe errors made when copying manuscripts? It does happen occasionally but it's normally not a big deal. Errors regarding the nature of who God is and how he has interacted with humanity? Not so much.

mindstorm

I can argue that all night.

Hey, what about Ashera? The early Jews worshipped both Yahweh and his female consort Ashera, yet after their captivity rejected Ashera and the Bible actually speaks of the command to remove the Ashera poles from the Temple (yes, THAT Temple). That's a big change.

Or what about the fact that God can do no evil yet states "And I create evil"?

Or what about the fact that God says he can't change his mind (1st Samuel can't remember exact verse) and then does so quite a few times?

And so on and so forth.

As a note, John Adams was a Christian - a Congregationalist specifically. He had certain rationalistic philosophies influencing his thought processes, yes, but he still believed that Jesus was the redeemer for humanity, that the Bible was God's revelation to the world, etc.mindstorm

I'm not arguing the fact that he was Christian, but rather I'm arguing that our founding fathers did not intend this to be a Christian nation. They understood that religion was a personal issue and not to be brought into the sphere of government as the far right insists on doing.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson

Well, the mayor cannot actually stop the restaraunt from going in, can he? I think he is just using his influence to get liberals fired up and bring attention to an issue he feels passionate about I guess. I'm all for gay marriage, but I cannot see why any company should try and be political, right or left. It is just gonna create a PR nightmare and segregate.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

That depends upon what you mean by "the Bible contains errors." :P

Scribe errors made when copying manuscripts? It does happen occasionally but it's normally not a big deal. Errors regarding the nature of who God is and how he has interacted with humanity? Not so much.

br0kenrabbit

I can argue that all night.

Hey, what about Ashera? The early Jews worshipped both Yahweh and his female consort Ashera, yet after their captivity rejected Ashera and the Bible actually speaks of the command to remove the Ashera poles from the Temple (yes, THAT Temple). That's a big change.

Or what about the fact that God can do no evil yet states "And I create evil"?

Or what about the fact that God says he can't change his mind (1st Samuel can't remember exact verse) and then does so quite a few times?

And so on and so forth.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]As a note, John Adams was a Christian - a Congregationalist specifically. He had certain rationalistic philosophies influencing his thought processes, yes, but he still believed that Jesus was the redeemer for humanity, that the Bible was God's revelation to the world, etc.br0kenrabbit

I'm not arguing the fact that he was Christian, but rather I'm arguing that our founding fathers did not intend this to be a Christian nation. They understood that religion was a personal issue and not to be brought into the sphere of government as the far right insists on doing.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson

interested in where you grab these fun quotes from

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]As a note, John Adams was a Christian - a Congregationalist specifically. He had certain rationalistic philosophies influencing his thought processes, yes, but he still believed that Jesus was the redeemer for humanity, that the Bible was God's revelation to the world, etc.br0kenrabbit

I'm not arguing the fact that he was Christian, but rather I'm arguing that our founding fathers did not intend this to be a Christian nation. They understood that religion was a personal issue and not to be brought into the sphere of government as the far right insists on doing.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson

I find this appropriate.

The difference is that Chick-fil-A is a private company that wants to impose their personal views on the institution of marriage. Boston is a public city that wants to impose their personal views on a business. It's a right for a private company to do it. It's wrong for government to do it.

interested in where you grab these fun quotes from

IronBeaver

You can lecture me all day, and I won't pick up a thing. If I read something, I know it forever.

But you can Google something like "founding fathers united states relgious quotes" I suppose.

1. Ashera - There were always times in which the Hebrew people worshiped other gods besides Yahweh. However, this does not mean they were anything beyond false gods. 2. Yes, in the English there are places in which the text is translated that God creates evil. However, this is a fault of the English language and does not mean that God creates what we consider to be moral evil. God does, however, create calamity. I suggest doing a word study on the words used within the text rather than assuming too much from the English. 3. God does not change his mind. Yes, there are occasions such as Deuteronomy in which God relents because Moses prays for the people. Does this mean God changes his mind? Not so much. There are aspects of this that gets into philosophy more than I care to deal with but if God is not bound by time then he does not deal with the world's events as a series of happenings. God was, is, and is to come all at once and is not bound to the sequence of time. As such, how can one who is not bound by time change his mind? There are times in which God does appear to react to the world differently because of the requests of his people but is this not the result of his divine will as well? There are reasons why he is referred to as "I AM that I AM."mindstorm

1 - Yahweh appears to have been worshipped as a Storm God among a pantheon of Gods before the Jews adopted him. It seems he was the Storm God of Edom, which makes this quote from the Bible most interesting:

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. - Habakkuk 3:3

Now the reason that is interesting is beause Teman is...EDOM!

2. I still get that sense in the original text:

(edit: I had the Jewish script here but GS rejected it!) Screw you gamespot here's a pic:

Though admittedly I'm no expert at Jewish text, what I know I've taught myself.

3. As an amateur physicist and deist I take the view that time is a singularity. At least, if we could remove ourselves from our 3D+1 constraints. It does indeed seem that all of time exists at once (check out this thread and most specifically the second page) so if God exists outside of our conventional 3D+1 spacetime then of course he can view time from beginning to end.

I take the view that whatever God is, he has a very scientific mind. I just don't think you can personify God using human characteristics as most religions do. If he's there, he's so much more than that and assigning human characteristics to him does him a great disservice.

Chic-fil-a Is okay... Idk why everyone goes nuts over it. It's chicken fingers. Big deal. I'm kind of with Menino on this. Get out. Freedom of love for all. Get out of Boston.

Being a Massachusetts resident... I totally support gay marriage and equality for gay people. Call me arrogant if you want- but youre the one denying people rights, not me. I'll deep fry my own chicken fingers. F*ck you chicfila

Chic-fil-a Is okay... Idk why everyone goes nuts over it. It's chicken fingers. Big deal. I'm kind of with Menino on this. Get out. Freedom of love for all. Get out of Boston.

Being a Massachusetts resident... I totally support gay marriage and equality for gay people. Call me arrogant if you want- but youre the one denying people rights, not me. I'll deep fry my own chicken fingers. F*ck you chicfila

Shmiity

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Chic-fil-a Is okay... Idk why everyone goes nuts over it. It's chicken fingers. Big deal. I'm kind of with Menino on this. Get out. Freedom of love for all. Get out of Boston.

Being a Massachusetts resident... I totally support gay marriage and equality for gay people. Call me arrogant if you want- but youre the one denying people rights, not me. I'll deep fry my own chicken fingers. F*ck you chicfila

Genetic_Code

The rebel spirit in me says yes. I don't necessarilly want to shut down MA chicfila's, because people would lose jobs... But if youre anti-gay marriage, you deserve all the hate in the world. I also would not want a negative message in my city's food chains. Maybe Menino is making grand statements that are kind of stupid- but I feel so strongly on this issue that all my compassion for their chicken fingers has been reduced to zero. Get out.

On one hand Chick-fil-a is amazing, but on the other I don't want to support their beliefs. Another case of first world problems, I suppose.

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You know I am totally OK with this, as long as a anti-gay mayor can tell a pro gay company to stay away. Think that would cause a stir?

AdamPA1006

If that was about race, I'm sure you wouldnt say "I'm ok with this as long as an anti-black mayor can tell a pro-racial diversity company to stay away".

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Chic-fil-a Is okay... Idk why everyone goes nuts over it. It's chicken fingers. Big deal. I'm kind of with Menino on this. Get out. Freedom of love for all. Get out of Boston.

Being a Massachusetts resident... I totally support gay marriage and equality for gay people. Call me arrogant if you want- but youre the one denying people rights, not me. I'll deep fry my own chicken fingers. F*ck you chicfila

Genetic_Code

Whether you believe an anti-gay stance is condemnable enough to warrant such a reaction is debatable.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Chic-fil-a Is okay... Idk why everyone goes nuts over it. It's chicken fingers. Big deal. I'm kind of with Menino on this. Get out. Freedom of love for all. Get out of Boston.

Being a Massachusetts resident... I totally support gay marriage and equality for gay people. Call me arrogant if you want- but youre the one denying people rights, not me. I'll deep fry my own chicken fingers. F*ck you chicfila

Genetic_Code

Im not against gay marriage and Im from the Boston area yet I think things like this are stupid. I personally don't give a **** whether or not Chick -fil-a's owners don't believe in gay marriage. Its not going to make me not want to buy some Chick-fil-a. Nonstop-Madness

My reasons for boycotting Chick-Fil-A (somthing I've done for years now, and not just since this week) have nothhing to do with the owner's opinions and everything to do with how the company profit is spent. Chick-Fil-A funds groups (and to the tune of several million a year) groups that actively work against gay rights. The owners of the company can hold whatever opinion they wish, I don't need to be in agreement with a company's ownership in order to patronize that business (hence my love of Oberweis ice cream), but I don't want my dollar being used to fund causes that I find morally repugnant.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Im not against gay marriage and Im from the Boston area yet I think things like this are stupid. I personally don't give a **** whether or not Chick -fil-a's owners don't believe in gay marriage. Its not going to make me not want to buy some Chick-fil-a. worlock77

My reasons for boycotting Chick-Fil-A (somthing I've done for years now, and not just since this week) have nothhing to do with the owner's opinions and everything to do with how the company profit is spent. Chick-Fil-A funds groups (and to the tune of several million a year) groups that actively work against gay rights. The owners of the company can hold whatever opinion they wish, I don't need to be in agreement with a company's ownership in order to patronize that business (hence my love of Oberweis ice cream), but I don't want my dollar being used to fund causes that I find morally repugnant.

There was a time when people made fun of Christian organizations that boycotted various businesses for various reasons (a popular boycott being against Disney). However, it seems the roles have switched and the businesses with Christian ideals are the ones being boycotted. Thankfully I hold to the Christian ideal side of things and can still eat my chicken sandwiches. Nomnomnom.mindstorm

I find it sad that you think being a homphobic bigot is the Christian side.