Boy posts emotional It Gets Better video only to commit suicide months later.

I'm human too. You don't need to tell me about feelings and pain. All I can say is that I've lived past my adolescent and teenage years and it got better with bullies. In my experience and I'm pretty sure everyone one else can say this too. Life gets better with bullies because middle school and high school isn't the world.

Life gets better with bullies because middle school and high school isn't the world.

LOXO7

He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying.

I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any sympathy for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You want peace, so you off yourself. Imagine how your friends, and family must feel? how much grieving they'd go through, realize their lives will never be the same. Personally, i think this boy ruined the "It gets better" videos, because either it doesn't get better, or it took too long to get better, so long that this boy couldn't wait for the better days. Rather than working hard to improve his life, he simply made a video expecting everything to get better, it didn't, so he offed himself. Which makes me wonder, Does it get better?Nibroc420

A person who's in so much pain, that they'd rather not stay alive, is held responsible to other people's feelings? Is that not too much to ask the person?

I disagree, people seem to assume that everyone who decide to commit suicide, did it on impulse and failed to consider the feelings of others, when in fact many had weighed the good and bad, and finally decided life is just too painful, and they never had a choice on starting this painful journey, but they should be able to decide when and how to end it. And if the person saw absolutely no hope in life, well, I would say the "close friends" and "Family" didn't exactly do a good job did they?

It's funny how people are so inclined to sympathize with the imaginery "close friends" and "family members", but never really bother to understand how helpless, and depressed the person who took his/her life must have felt!

Made this kid is trying to prove something by killing himself.

He seems like the type of person that would do that. He tried to prove that things would get better, instead he dove down the clift and made a new motive, contradicting his other. He probably had some last thoughts coming through him that day he decided to end his life. He probably had parents that weren't very supportive, no one else there to talk and willing to understand. I could see that being the case. In the end, it's all assumptions.

He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying. I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any remorse for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.PernicioEnigma

mind doesn't work that way, I can tell myself everyday, that most people in Africa are worse off, doesn't stop me from having nightmares, and feeling depressed at times.

If it's as simple as: "many people had it worse", then we wouldn't have psychological disorders would we?

It's funny how people are so inclined to sympathize with the imaginery "close friends" and "family members", but never really bother to understand how helpless, and depressed the person who took his/her life must have felt!

Ncsoftlover

His decision was basically "I'm gay and the kids at school dont like that, so i'm going to off myself" Anyone with a brain can see there's no thought process that was going on in his mind that doesn't include HIM. His thoughts and actions were selfish, because he wanted a quick end, his parents now have to live 20+ years grieving the loss of their son.

I dont know how you can disagree with the idea that people should think about what their actions do in the lives of others...Perhaps you could elaborate on this selfish "me,me,me" style of thinking?

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying. I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any remorse for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.Ncsoftlover

mind doesn't work that way, I can tell myself everyday, that most people in Africa are worse off, doesn't stop me from having nightmares, and feeling depressed at times.

If it's as simple as: "many people had it worse", then we wouldn't have psychological disorders would we?

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying. I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any remorse for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.Ncsoftlover

mind doesn't work that way, I can tell myself everyday, that most people in Africa are worse off, doesn't stop me from having nightmares, and feeling depressed at times.

If it's as simple as: "many people had it worse", then we wouldn't have psychological disorders would we?

There are no such things of others having it worse. I guess if you consider being deprived from basic needs then yeah that is suffering physically. It's an equal amount of pain but all different pains. Severity level depends on how much you could handle and chew.Gaming-Planet

What if someone can't handle even the littlest bit? Should we blame society if someone kills themself because there's no more of their favorite ice cream at a supermarket? Is it the stockboy's fault for not checking the back room?

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]There are no such things of others having it worse. I guess if you consider being deprived from basic needs then yeah that is suffering physically. It's an equal amount of pain but all different pains. Severity level depends on how much you could handle and chew.Nibroc420

What if someone can't handle even the littlest bit? Should we blame society if someone kills themself because there's no more of their favorite ice cream at a supermarket? Is it the stockboy's fault for not checking the back room?

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]It's funny how people are so inclined to sympathize with the imaginery "close friends" and "family members", but never really bother to understand how helpless, and depressed the person who took his/her life must have felt!

Nibroc420

His decision was basically "I'm gay and the kids at school dont like that, so i'm going to off myself" Anyone with a brain can see there's no thought process that was going on in his mind that doesn't include HIM. His thoughts and actions were selfish, because he wanted a quick end, his parents now have to live 20+ years grieving the loss of their son.

I dont know how you can disagree with the idea that people should think about what their actions do in the lives of others...Perhaps you could elaborate on this selfish "me,me,me" style of thinking?

It's not selfish at all why should he care for other people's emotions? It's not his duty to make them happy; he was not happy to him that's all that should matter. As long as it doesn't prevent others from living he can do what ever he wants with HIS life.

Caring for yourself is always the first priority, you are exhibiting a selfish "me,me,me" way of thinking. Forcing people to live as not hurt feelings of others/you is incredibly selfish of you. Surprised you don't know style of thinking; since every single action is a selfish one in a way.

If I had to go through HS again, I'd probably murder half the student body in a bloody rampage that would make Columbine look like a walk in the park. Not a fun time. As for the mini-suicide discussion, I'm not against it. If you're suffering so much that it's painful to live, your family should understand they are making you suffer by making you continue on for their sake. I had two truly special important people in my life that I would not want to have to deal with my death and would be willing to go through this for, though. Mom was one of them, and she died last year, and Nanny has Alzheimer's disease. When Nanny is gone, I'm not gonna hang around too long afterwards. This world is **** I don't plan on staying around to witness it.

I didn't exist for thirteen billion years, and I don't remember it bothering me, so the prospect of going back to that doesn't bother me much. I'm comfortable with these plans, and at peace with them. Till then, I'll trudge on, and try to be there for Nanny as much as possible to make her happy.

It's not selfish at all why should he care for other people's emotions? Communist_Soul

Do you know the meaning of selfish? I dont care about what this kid thinks about me, his actions haven't affected my life in the slightest.
HOWEVER, they affected the lives of his closest family and friends. Haven't you ever re-thought something because it might be negative for your friends/family?

I dont see how you can label "thinking of others and how what you do effects them too" as being selfish...

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]It's funny how people are so inclined to sympathize with the imaginery "close friends" and "family members", but never really bother to understand how helpless, and depressed the person who took his/her life must have felt!

Nibroc420

His decision was basically "I'm gay and the kids at school dont like that, so i'm going to off myself" Anyone with a brain can see there's no thought process that was going on in his mind that doesn't include HIM. His thoughts and actions were selfish, because he wanted a quick end, his parents now have to live 20+ years grieving the loss of their son.

I dont know how you can disagree with the idea that people should think about what their actions do in the lives of others...Perhaps you could elaborate on this selfish "me,me,me" style of thinking?

I actually discourage suicide because when you're dead you lost hope in ever seeing your life taking a better direction. But I understand that many people simply don't see any hope in being alive, I used the word imaginery becase assuming every person who commit suicide actually had "close friends" and "family" who deeply cared is too much to assume, because very often, those people who are disappointed in their lives never had anyone who truly cared about them, in fact, often it's the intolerant family members that drove them to kill themselves. It just seemed strange to me, that people like to imagine these"close friends" who deeply cared, when in fact, they don't know anything about the person, and they refuse to ever imagine how bad the person must have felt when he/she decided to commit suicide. And I'm not just talking about this kid, I'm talking about suicide in general.

And I agree that people should think about the consequence of their actions, think twice (not twice, but two hundred times) before you make the decision, but I'm telling this,most who commit suicide thought two thousand times the consequences of their actions. And they decided it's not worth it to be alive, I respect that decision, and feel his/her pain, because I've felt the same way many times before

Definitely don't make that decision if you don't have to, obviously if there's any hope, you should grasp it.

I just hate reading about how suicide is wrong, you have no right to hurt others, only god had right to take your life etc etc, that sort of crap.

For the kid in question, I hope he didn't do it, I really do. In fact I hope no one ever have to commit suicide.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]It's funny how people are so inclined to sympathize with the imaginery "close friends" and "family members", but never really bother to understand how helpless, and depressed the person who took his/her life must have felt!

Communist_Soul

His decision was basically "I'm gay and the kids at school dont like that, so i'm going to off myself" Anyone with a brain can see there's no thought process that was going on in his mind that doesn't include HIM. His thoughts and actions were selfish, because he wanted a quick end, his parents now have to live 20+ years grieving the loss of their son.

I dont know how you can disagree with the idea that people should think about what their actions do in the lives of others...Perhaps you could elaborate on this selfish "me,me,me" style of thinking?

It's not selfish at all why should he care for other people's emotions? It's not his duty to make them happy; he was not happy to him that's all that should matter. As long as it doesn't prevent others from living he can do what ever he wants with HIS life.

Caring for yourself is always the first priority, you are exhibiting a selfish "me,me,me" way of thinking. Forcing people to live as not hurt feelings of others/you is incredibly selfish of you. Surprised you don't know style of thinking; since every single action is a selfish one in a way.

I agree with you, it may sound selfish, but it does not sound fake, only people who's been there know how painful it feels.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]It's not selfish at all why should he care for other people's emotions? Nibroc420

Do you know the meaning of selfish? I dont care about what this kid thinks about me, his actions haven't affected my life in the slightest.
HOWEVER, they affected the lives of his closest family and friends. Haven't you ever re-thought something because it might be negative for your friends/family?

I dont see how you can label "thinking of others and how what you do effects them too" as being selfish...

What's wrong with being selfish?

I do thank you for going to get the dictionary version of it and proving I know it. Then why would you care that his death affects others? Yes it affected them but its not his job to suffer through pain to allow them to live in a bubble; forcing him to live is selfish of his parents.

I have re-thought something because it be negative for friends/family but it was out of self interest as they would resent me I don't want that too happen.

Helping others makes you happy otherwise why would you do it? For love? For recognition? Since it makes happy you aren't doing to help you're making your self feel better. For love well you want people to love you, you get that by helping them. Well recognition speaks for its self.

Because the "imaginary" (although that's impossible) family, includes people who are alive, and can feel emotion. His parents now know what it's like to lose their son, and might blame themselves for it, his friends might feel like they've failed him...

Nibroc420

This being the exact same family who has no problem with guilt tripping HIM into living in misery because they're too uncomfortable with having to deal with losing him?

Peaople can spin this kind of **** any way they want to in order to fit their agenda. The bottom line is that EVERYONE is being selfish here, and that people are just plain going to do what they want to do. We can spend all day arguing over who's in the wrong, and we'd be spending all day talking about absolutely nothing.

I don't understand people who commit suicide. Life is too short, beautfiul and good to kill yourself over. But I have no remorse for this kid. He clearly had some huge psychological problems in order for him to think about and actually kill himself. Unfortunately, no one wanted help him. Which is the tragic part.

I knew a kid who committed suicide because of bullying. I was shocked because when he was at my school he was so popular.

It's so sad that people get driven to do such drastic things because of petty little teenagers... I HATE bullies... nobody deserves to be picked on.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

That's kind of f***** up now that I think of it. Make a pretty popular video trying to give confidence to hundreds of thousand of people than kill yourself? Pretty much destroys everything the video tried to accomplish.

mexicangordo

It's saddening.

best troll ever?

That has to be rather uninspiring.

I have no sympathy. So a gay/bi kid commits suicide after being bullied and it's a big thing.. How about people who have other problems unrelated to sexuality? Guess what, they're ending themselves all over the world as we speak, but it's not significant to anyone else.

Being bullied/bulling people is part and parcel of life. If it wasn't "natural," people wouldn't be doing it. You don't go for bullying classes.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

That's kind of f***** up now that I think of it. Make a pretty popular video trying to give confidence to hundreds of thousand of people than kill yourself? Pretty much destroys everything the video tried to accomplish.

SaudiFury

I hate reading stories like this. It is just so terribly sad.

Even worse when teachers or anyone higher up knows about it but doesn't do anything about it.

I have no sympathy. So a gay/bi kid commits suicide after being bullied and it's a big thing.. How about people who have other problems unrelated to sexuality? Guess what, they're ending themselves all over the world as we speak, but it's not significant to anyone else.

Being bullied/bulling people is part and parcel of life. If it wasn't "natural," people wouldn't be doing it. You don't go for bullying classes.

th3warr1or

poor little dude,

I once again lose faith in humanity

Well that's very sad. I feel for his family.

I wasn't a bully at school so of course I got bullied now and then for some silly thing or another, but I didn't give a damn really, once I got home to my family or went out with my friends it was all done and dusted til the next time.

With the internet and texting and things these days though it must be pretty damn hellish if people are bullying you 24/7. No time at all to ever escape from it and put things into perspective I guess.

Back when I was in school some kid tried to bully me because I wear glasses, so I beat him up. I really can't stand bullying. Such a selfish thing to do.

And suicides are very selfish people. They don't think we wont get upset over their deaths. :o!

LOXO7

I feel bad for him but I find it ridiculous that people make videos like he did. Sunsha