Boy posts emotional It Gets Better video only to commit suicide months later.

...natural selection?Firebird-5

why is it ridiculous? He was looking for a way to stay positive, and cope with whatever he was going through. When you don't know what else to do. And things are cloudy, rain, and wind, and you get a little sunlight, things start to warm up a bit. I can understand how he would give way to a momentary fit of inspiration and create a 'it gets better video'. It's not ridiculous or unimaginable to see how he got there. It's also not unimaginable to see how things turned for the worst again.UniverseIX

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"] why is it ridiculous? He was looking for a way to stay positive, and cope with whatever he was going through. When you don't know what else to do. And things are cloudy, rain, and wind, and you get a little sunlight, things start to warm up a bit. I can understand how he would give way to a momentary fit of inspiration and create a 'it gets better video'. It's not ridiculous or unimaginable to see how he got there. It's also not unimaginable to see how things turned for the worst again.Sunsha

It's always awful when ths happens, and there's no justification for bullying a kid because of their orientation. However, while I don't want to put this in a way to where it sounds like i'm blaming him but...if you're g@y/bi and you're deeply offended by homosexual slurs, don't make a public video about it. It's the Internet, there are trolls, and you just made yourself trollbait.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]...natural selection?Sunsha

It's always awful when ths happens, and there's no justification for bullying a kid because of their orientation. However, while I don't want to put this in a way to where it sounds like i'm blaming him but...if you're g@y/bi and you're deeply offended by homosexual slurs, don't make a public video about it. It's the Internet, there are trolls, and you just made yourself trollbait.Boston_Boyy

I couldn't deal with changing schools.skooks

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

[QUOTE="Boston_Boyy"]It's always awful when ths happens, and there's no justification for bullying a kid because of their orientation. However, while I don't want to put this in a way to where it sounds like i'm blaming him but...if you're g@y/bi and you're deeply offended by homosexual slurs, don't make a public video about it. It's the Internet, there are trolls, and you just made yourself trollbait.Sunsha

I couldn't deal with changing schools.skooks

[QUOTE="Boston_Boyy"]It's always awful when ths happens, and there's no justification for bullying a kid because of their orientation. However, while I don't want to put this in a way to where it sounds like i'm blaming him but...if you're g@y/bi and you're deeply offended by homosexual slurs, don't make a public video about it. It's the Internet, there are trolls, and you just made yourself trollbait.Sunsha

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

Riverwolf007

I don't expect anyone to understand a situation they weren't a part of, but I do take issue with being lumped into some melodramatic category. The fact is that bullying is an awful thing to experience, and some people can better deal with it than others, but at no point are any bullied kids being dramatic. Words, fists, whatever, can and do have very powerful and negative effects.skooks

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

anti-bullying.

i wouldn't even know where to begin to enforce such a thing.

Victorious_Fize

That doesn't work quite well. Reinstating corporal punishment is pretty it for me.

His problems ran deeper than that.UniverseIX

Do you know that for a fact? Or are you merely projecting your experiences onto the kid?

To say those who kill themselves are selfish is preposterous. They aren't selfish, not more than anyone else.UniverseIX

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] heres an idea stop forcing kids to be around eachother. markop2003

That doesn't work quite well. Reinstating corporal punishment is pretty it for me.

Perhaps. But corporal punishment works well all the same.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"][QUOTE="OfficerLeach_"]

My dad killed his self when I was 7...I have no remorse for people who commit suicide...its a selfish act...

Nibroc420

Wow that's sad. :(

I don't get how somebody can commit suicide, I've thought about it so many times, and every time I just think, why should I end my life, and take the future away from me?

Things DO get better, but I understand why this boy thought they don't.

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]To say those who kill themselves are selfish is preposterous. They aren't selfish, not more than anyone else.Just-Breathe

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]To say those who kill themselves are selfish is preposterous. They aren't selfish, not more than anyone else.Just-Breathe

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"][QUOTE="UniverseIX"]To say those who kill themselves are selfish is preposterous. They aren't selfish, not more than anyone else.Chojuto

Sorry to hear that. What message does that send to others?Genesis-X

Not a message I'd want anymore to hear.

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying. I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any remorse for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.Ncsoftlover

mind doesn't work that way, I can tell myself everyday, that most people in Africa are worse off, doesn't stop me from having nightmares, and feeling depressed at times.

If it's as simple as: "many people had it worse", then we wouldn't have psychological disorders would we?

I was recently diagnosed with Crohn's Disease and Heart Disease (it was genetic cardiomypothey) which basically completely changed my life for the worse. I was discharged from the military and had to take off school as well. After finally recovering from one emergency surgery, I just had to have another one, but this time with a illestomy. Yeah, that means my small intestine is poking up through my skin and that's where I crap into a bag now. I walk around with that thing on everyday.

But guess what, after being in the hospital for that long, you realize A LOT of people have it A LOT worse than you do. It made me thankful for what I actually do have.

So sack up and stop feeling sorry for yourself. That's not going to get you anywhere in life and your never going to be happy.

The world can be a very sad and sickening place

Really? no way such a young kid.Where were the kid's parents first of all? Because if the kid had enough love in his home and a lot of things to appreciate he would not commit such a thing, kids are cruel and they will always be.

This modern technology, the social pressure, wow so extreme. Now hollywood will make a movie.

I admire the ones who had families and are able to manage the hard duty of raise a kid in a cruel world because I don't know what to say to somebody how to live life.

[QUOTE="Genesis-X"]Sorry to hear that. What message does that send to others?Just-Breathe

Not a message I'd want anymore to hear.

This simply comes down to supuriority and elitism. As simple as that.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

He had supportive friends and probably a good family, it's shocking how people can give up on life so easily. I know it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Millions of people around the world go through much, MUCH worse than school yard bullying. I'm not going to be a douche and say I don't feel any remorse for him, because of course I do, he was only a kid and now he's dead.PernicioEnigma

mind doesn't work that way, I can tell myself everyday, that most people in Africa are worse off, doesn't stop me from having nightmares, and feeling depressed at times.

If it's as simple as: "many people had it worse", then we wouldn't have psychological disorders would we?

I was recently diagnosed with Crohn's Disease and Heart Disease (it was genetic cardiomypothey) which basically completely changed my life for the worse. I was discharged from the military and had to take off school as well. After finally recovering from one emergency surgery, I just had to have another one, but this time with a illestomy. Yeah, that means my small intestine is poking up through my skin and that's where I crap into a bag now. I walk around with that thing on everyday.

But guess what, after being in the hospital for that long, you realize A LOT of people have it A LOT worse than you do. It made me thankful for what I actually do have.

So sack up and stop feeling sorry for yourself. That's not going to get you anywhere in life and your never going to be happy.

It's sad but the parents should have been watching more closely. If the kid was getting harassed that badly in school his parents should have pulled him out and found another option.

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

mission76

And do you happen to be gay Do you know how it was like to be in his shoes? The kid was only 14 years old....He knows nothing and was brought up in an environment of bully and hate. Why do people make it seem like words don't hurt? Its incredible draining to undergo such torment.

Well obviously it DOESN'T get better then.

Well obviously it DOESN'T get better then.

Jackc8

And do you happen to be gay Do you know how it was like to be in his shoes? The kid was only 14 years old....He knows nothing and was brought up in an environment of bully and hate. Why do people make it seem like words don't hurt? Its incredible draining to undergo such torment.

mexicangordo

On the other hand, the kid was 14. And you know, regardless of how good people have it, many 14 year olds are just overly sensitive and think that their lives are the worst thing ever.

Of course, I don't know the kid. But I sort of doubt that ANYONE here knew him either. Lots of speculation going on. Maybe this kid really was mercilessly tormented, or maybe he is just another young teenager who actually had things really freaking good and then threw his life away regardless.

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

I'm not gonna bother reading this thread; I am sure there will be people who will be all like "what a loser, when I was a kid people didnt suicide over bullying, kids are so weak these days" etc.

I dont think anyone of these people realise that regardless of the circumstances and whether you consider that they "justify" a(n attempt of) suicide, the point is that it takes a certain state of mind to do it. All that matters is that this state of mind had been reached. The person -no matter how despite the odds or realistic expactations- reached the point of suicide and his mind was set on it. You cant use logic to actually judge said person, as I am sure no one with a "clear" mind would attempt suicide, so I dont see how anyone attempting suicide should be prone to "rational" criticism.

It's very easy (as it is the usual thing to do especially on line) to have an assertive opinion, and particularly the opinion of the tough guy who went through "a lot", as if a person who commited suicide would do it had he been like you, mr tough guy/wise guy or what have you.

The simple thing people ignore when they say "if I were him..." or anything expressing the same thing is that he wasnt you. If he was then yeah maybe he wouldnt. But he wasnt. No one that you judge probably was and thats the point. There's no point in judgement. I would like those people for a change to be compassionate and in stead of judgementally saying "If I were him...." to say "I wish he were like me in order to pull through".

[QUOTE="mission76"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

let kids fight again.

you never saw this crap when bullied kids could knock the crap out of their bully and not have to worry they would be charged with assault and battery.

now what can they do about being bullied?

nothing is what they can do.

they just have to suck it up and get more and more frustrated until they lose all hope and either off themselves or show up to school with a gun.

it's time to decriminalize schoolyard scuffles so kids can learn one of the most valuable lessons that you learn in school. that bullies are weak and all talk and when you stand up for yourself and punch one in the face they quit bothering you.

i feel so sorry for kids now that are not allowed to defend themselves without it being a criminal offense.

mexicangordo

And do you happen to be gay Do you know how it was like to be in his shoes? The kid was only 14 years old....He knows nothing and was brought up in an environment of bully and hate. Why do people make it seem like words don't hurt? Its incredible draining to undergo such torment.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

And do you happen to be gay Do you know how it was like to be in his shoes? The kid was only 14 years old....He knows nothing and was brought up in an environment of bully and hate. Why do people make it seem like words don't hurt? Its incredible draining to undergo such torment.

MrGeezer

On the other hand, the kid was 14. And you know, regardless of how good people have it, many 14 year olds are just overly sensitive and think that their lives are the worst thing ever.

Of course, I don't know the kid. But I sort of doubt that ANYONE here knew him either. Lots of speculation going on. Maybe this kid really was mercilessly tormented, or maybe he is just another young teenager who actually had things really freaking good and then threw his life away regardless.

The point I am trying to make is not whether we know him, or whether anyone went through the same thing but empathy towards the tragic situation. It doesn't matter who had it worse, but more importantly that we go through it together.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="mission76"] Absolutely true. Kids today are way too soft. Im in early 30s and it seems like kids today are being brought up on a different planet altogether. They're way too coddled and protected. Some times there are situations where expressing yourself and talking about your feelings do not work and physical force is needed to resolve the matter. I'm not saying that fighting is a good thing, but it sometimes is nessacary. This kid most likely made this YouTube video to try to convince himself that it would get better which just opened him up to more ridicule. I wish k would have seen his video, my comment would have been that life does not get better, life is hard and you need to stop with the self pity, self defeating attitude and man up. Because if you think being a teenager is hard, wait until the real world gets a hold of you Kids are growing up all believing they are unique and special, and when the real world hits them and they realize that they are not in some movie fantasy land where everyone accepts you they don't have the tools to deal with the conflict, and being brought up in this overly dramatic emotional new world they take their own livesmission76

And do you happen to be gay Do you know how it was like to be in his shoes? The kid was only 14 years old....He knows nothing and was brought up in an environment of bully and hate. Why do people make it seem like words don't hurt? Its incredible draining to undergo such torment.

Wait, maybe he was murdered and his death made to look like a suicide.