BREAKING NEWS: House cannot pass Senate Health Care Bill

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

WASHINGTON – Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that she lacks the votes to quickly move the Senate's sweeping health overhaul bill through the House, a potentially devastating blow to President Barack Obama's signature issue.

Pelosi, D-Calif., made the comment to reporters after House Democrats held a closed-door meeting at which participants vented frustration with the Senate's massive version of the legislation.

Her concession meant there was little hope for a White House-backed plan to quickly push the Senate-approved health bill through the House, followed by a separate measure making changes sought by House members, such as easing the Senate's tax on higher-cost health plans. Such an approach would be "problematic," she said.

"In its present form without any changes I don't think it's possible to pass the Senate bill in the House," Pelosi said, adding, "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

Pelosi's remarks signaled that advancing health legislation through Congress will likely be a lengthy process — despite Democrats' desire for a quick election-year pivot to address jobs and the economy, which polls show are the public's top concern.

"We're not in a big rush," Pelosi said. "Pause, reflect."

It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.EMOEVOLUTION

Who cares anymore? People need to stop having faith in this country. It's done withistuffedsunny

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.Wasdie

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.Wasdie

yea they should take longer

i think we should wait for our 14 trillion+ debt lower down before we should talk about health care

just adding more to that 14 trill is nuts

No way, House can do anything! Anything!

I would like to see some projections on how much this is going to cost individual taxpayers...as in how much it is going to cost me

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

Tezcatlipoca666

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

nocoolnamejim

Single-payer or total nationalization of the system would be fine by me. Of course I am not American anyway for this won't affect me.

Good luck anyway though... :?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

Tezcatlipoca666

Single-payer or total nationalization of the system would be fine by me. Of course I am not American anyway for this won't affect me.

Good luck anyway though... :?

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

nocoolnamejim

I'm not sure how this bill is going to allow health care or health insurance to be more affordable. And as for the deficit and costs of this bill, they're going to have to pay for it somehow, most likely through new taxes or higher taxes, which is really something the economy does not need. And judging this by history, this new bill will run up the deficit; its just what the government does.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.nocoolnamejim

Why be bipartisian if the other side of the fense doesn't wish to be????

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

It's not like the bill - in its dilapidated state - was any good anyway.

MagicMan4597

I'm not sure how this bill is going to allow health care or health insurance to be more affordable. And as for the deficit and costs of this bill, they're going to have to pay for it somehow, most likely through new taxes or higher taxes, which is really something the economy does not need. And judging this by history, this new bill will run up the deficit; its just what the government does.

This x10000

Republicans do not want *anything* to pass. This is the fact of the matter. Is it the Democrats fault that they actually did their job when the Republicans were in power?

The only way to do this is to do it by referendum now. This is the *only* solution that is left.

Obama and the Democrats need to play hard ball. There is no more Mr. Nice Guy.

Why be bipartisian if the other side of the fense doesn't wish to be????SquatsAreAwesom

Oh snap. :E

Well if the house refuses to pass the senate bill, even if that becomes the only option left for health care reform, then the democratic party doesn't deserve to be in power. And if Obama doesn't try his best to push the house to pass the senate bill, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. -Sun_Tzu-

I blame Republicans. Tjeremiah1988

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well if the house refuses to pass the senate bill, even if that becomes the only option left for health care reform, then the democratic party doesn't deserve to be in power. And if Obama doesn't try his best to push the house to pass the senate bill, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. nocoolnamejim

As I see it, the problem is that politics has gotten too divisive. Neither party can really accomplish anything that has any real significance to the country as a whole because the other party will always oppose it. The only time they ever agree on something is when there is a crisis, either real or perceived. I know a lot of people don't like the health care bill as it stands, and I agree it should take more time to put something this big through congress.

What I am most ashamed of is how ruthlessly the GOP has been distorting the truth about health care to get so many people fired up against it. If its a bad bill, tell people the honest to God truth and let them make up their own minds. Not the Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin version of the "truth". Take the tea party movement for example. They didn't seem to give a flying crap when we've been pumping billions of tax payer dollars in Iraq. A war that was never justified. Yet as soon as a democrat comes into office and proposes social changes that could potentially benefit millions of Americans they oppose it. If their anger is pointed at too much government spending, why is the party so late to arive?

As I see it, the problem is that politics has gotten too divisive. Neither party can really accomplish anything that has any real significance to the country as a whole because the other party will always oppose it. The only time they ever agree on something is when there is a crisis, either real or perceived. I know a lot of people don't like the health care bill as it stands, and I agree it should take more time to put something this big through congress.

What I am most ashamed of is how ruthlessly the GOP has been distorting the truth about health care to get so many people fired up against it. If its a bad bill, tell people the honest to God truth and let them make up their own minds. Not the Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin version of the "truth". Take the tea party movement for example. They didn't seem to give a flying crap when we've been pumping billions of tax payer dollars in Iraq. A war that was never justified. Yet as soon as a democrat comes into office and proposes social changes that could potentially benefit millions of Americans they oppose it. If their anger is pointed at too much government spending, why is the party so late to arive?

Darthmatt

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.

Well if the house refuses to pass the senate bill, even if that becomes the only option left for health care reform, then the democratic party doesn't deserve to be in power. And if Obama doesn't try his best to push the house to pass the senate bill, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. -Sun_Tzu-

I agree. Politics is about compromise, not acting like a four-year old and holding your breath until you get your way.

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.njean777

The non-partisanCongressional Budget Officesays it will reduce the deficit and the current path is unsustainable. In other words, that if we don't do this we'll be way worse off from a deficit standpoint.nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well if the house refuses to pass the senate bill, even if that becomes the only option left for health care reform, then the democratic party doesn't deserve to be in power. And if Obama doesn't try his best to push the house to pass the senate bill, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. HomicidalCherry

I agree. Politics is about compromise, not acting like a four-year old and holding your breath until you get your way.

not anymore, politics is a playground in an elementary school these days. I respect no politician least of all any president.

[QUOTE="njean777"]good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.GabuEx

The non-partisanCongressional Budget Officesays it will reduce the deficit and the current path is unsustainable. In other words, that if we don't do this we'll be way worse off from a deficit standpoint.nocoolnamejim

no it wont, you just like to believe in lies, like every american these days. I dont trust anybody in washington. And how are we gonna pay for this please explain to me who is going to pay for it.the floor is yours

no it wont, you just like to believe in lies, like every american these days. I dont trust anybody in washington. And how are we gonna pay for this please explain to me who is going to pay for it.the floor is yours

njean777

Um, this is all explained in the report from the Congressional Budget Office, although I get the feeling you don't want to read it.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says it will reduce the deficit and the current path is unsustainable. In other words, that if we don't do this we'll be way worse off from a deficit standpoint.nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]It doesn't seem to me like our government is actually working how it's intended too when they have to "rush" bills through congress because a person of the opposite party just got elected.Wasdie

Rushed? What are you talking about, we've been talking about this for over 100 years now since the days of Teddy Roosevelt.

no it wont, you just like to believe in lies, like every american these days. I dont trust anybody in washington. And how are we gonna pay for this please explain to me who is going to pay for it.the floor is yours

njean777

The only other option is paying for it entirely with treasury bonds, and we did that for most of the past decade, and we have the very large deficit to show for it.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says it will reduce the deficit and the current path is unsustainable. In other words, that if we don't do this we'll be way worse off from a deficit standpoint.LJS9502_basic

TY

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.

njean777

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well if the house refuses to pass the senate bill, even if that becomes the only option left for health care reform, then the democratic party doesn't deserve to be in power. And if Obama doesn't try his best to push the house to pass the senate bill, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="njean777"]

no it wont, you just like to believe in lies, like every american these days. I dont trust anybody in washington. And how are we gonna pay for this please explain to me who is going to pay for it.the floor is yours

-Sun_Tzu-

The only other option is paying for it entirely with treasury bonds, and we did that for most of the past decade, and we have the very large deficit to show for it.

Exactly why am i paying for healthcare, when joe blow on the side of the road doesnt want to work? I dont think so, im liberal to a point, but when they enforce taxes on me (more then they already are) then i have a problem. I dont want this healthcare they are proposing so why should i pay for it? Oh yeah cuz if i dont i will be fined. How can anybody be for this healthcare bill???

[QUOTE="MagicMan4597"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Well, I suppose if you consider providing subsidies that allow 30 million more people to afford health care coverage while SIMULTANEOUSLY reducing the deficit by over a hundred billion dollars no good...then you would be right.nocoolnamejim

I'm not sure how this bill is going to allow health care or health insurance to be more affordable. And as for the deficit and costs of this bill, they're going to have to pay for it somehow, most likely through new taxes or higher taxes, which is really something the economy does not need. And judging this by history, this new bill will run up the deficit; its just what the government does.

It reduces the deficit or is deficit neutral because they intend to use taxes to cover the costs. You make this bill out to be something totally free. Its not, nothing is free of cost. Someone is picking up the tab. And I still believe that the bill will add on to the national debt given government's track record of waste and inefficiency.

[QUOTE="njean777"]

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.

Darthmatt

sorry but its not all bush's fault please look at what prior presidents did before putting it all on one man kthx.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says it will reduce the deficit and the current path is unsustainable. In other words, that if we don't do this we'll be way worse off from a deficit standpoint.njean777

TY

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.

njean777

sorry but its not all bush's fault please look at what prior presidents did before putting it all on one man kthx.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]

no it wont, you just like to believe in lies, like every american these days. I dont trust anybody in washington. And how are we gonna pay for this please explain to me who is going to pay for it.the floor is yours

njean777

The only other option is paying for it entirely with treasury bonds, and we did that for most of the past decade, and we have the very large deficit to show for it.

Exactly why am i paying for healthcare, when joe blow on the side of the road doesnt want to work? I dont think so, im liberal to a point, but when they enforce taxes on me (more then they already are) then i have a problem. I dont want this healthcare they are proposing so why should i pay for it? Oh yeah cuz if i dont i will be fined. How can anybody be for this healthcare bill???

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

[QUOTE="njean777"]

good, the deficit is high enough thanks to obama and his bailout crap, and id rather not pay higher taxes.

njean777

sorry but its not all bush's fault please look at what prior presidents did before putting it all on one man kthx.

Fine then, it's Reagan's fault and Bush Sr.'s fault for the massive tax cuts they implemented. In fact, the blame could pretty easily be spread to all three.

[QUOTE="njean777"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not sure where you are going with this. Medicare and Medicaid are government health care programs. If they are increasing in cost....then adding more government involvement in health care doesn't seem to be the answer.

nocoolnamejim

TY

[QUOTE="njean777"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]No, the deficit is high enough because Bush cut income taxes, dumped nearly $1 trillion on two wars, increased medicare supliments, and gave the banks a $700 billion bailout in 2008. All without finding a way to actually pay for it. Obama has only been in office 1 year. Such short memories we have.

T_P_O

sorry but its not all bush's fault please look at what prior presidents did before putting it all on one man kthx.

please look at my quote did i blame obama for all the debt nope, i just said his bailout crap. I never said OMG its all obamas fault we are in so much debt.