BREAKING NEWS: House votes to repeal Don't ask Don't tell

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

70% of Americans support this. I would call that ready.

theone86

That's the public not the army itself, I should really word my statement better. Didn't that guy who went on a rampage the other day claim there was still a ton of racism in the military? Hasan or whatever?

So you think it would be a good idea to only allow white people to serve in the military because someone went on a shooting spree? Don't you find this a little ironic seeing as how we are fighting a war on terrorism right now?

Whaaaaaa???? How did you get that from my statements :X

I don't agree with the decision, but what can ya do. I do hope that the policy would be reimplemented during a major war, though. fidosim

It amazes me how we're still dealing with this nonsense on 2010. Perhaps we should go back to having segregated regiments. Instead of the Tuskegee Airmen, we can have the Pride Glide.

My life has not been changed at all. Hopefully it does something good for the military. I honestly don't think it will do too much one way or another.

My life has not been changed at all. Hopefully it does something good for the military. I honestly don't think it will do too much one way or another.

hoola

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

That's the public not the army itself, I should really word my statement better. Didn't that guy who went on a rampage the other day claim there was still a ton of racism in the military? Hasan or whatever?

Espada12

So you think it would be a good idea to only allow white people to serve in the military because someone went on a shooting spree? Don't you find this a little ironic seeing as how we are fighting a war on terrorism right now?

Whaaaaaa???? How did you get that from my statements :X

It's a bit of a strawman, but your original statement itself was a strawman. Some guy shot up an army base over racial discrimination, therefore the military should continue practices that support orientation discrimination, what kind of logic is that? If anything, isn't that a message that the military should be more proactive in curbing discrimination of any kind?

Good to see the U.S. government becoming visibly less stupid.

Good to see the U.S. government becoming visibly less stupid.Barbariser

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't think America is ready for this, I could be wrong of course.

Espada12

70% of Americans support this. I would call that ready.

That's the public not the army itself, I should really word my statement better. Didn't that guy who went on a rampage the other day claim there was still a ton of racism in the military? Hasan or whatever?

The military is not a democratic organization. If a soldier cannot abide by the decisions or orders of his superiors (and the highest authority in the United States military is the President, who in this case will undoubtedly support repeal) then he or she should be kicked out for poor discipline. A soldier who can cope with following orders to the letter under fire should not have any problems with coping with the possibility of a fellow soldier being attracted to him unless he has some kind of mental problem in which case it's a wonder how he got into the military in the first place.

However, we have two sources with differing poll results. One shows that the majority of polled military members would be comfortable with serving homosexuals, whereas the other shows that the majority of polled military members who subscribe to that magazine would not. There is a clear difference in reliability and objectivity here, and in this case the more reliable source is the one which polled a random selection of military rather than the one which polled a selection of military which have clearly defined interests.

this is good news

This is great. Another improvement brought on by this administration. :)Tauruslink

people said exactly the same things when britain allowed gays to serves openly, but it didn't affect the British military in any way whatsoever

people said exactly the same things when britain allowed gays to serves openly, but it didn't affect the British military in any way whatsoever

gamedude2020

now if only the House will legalize gay marriage.

Good. Next step: legalize gay marriage and confer all financial and legal benefits on homosexual couples.

Good. Next step: legalize gaymarriage and confer all financial and legal benefits on homosexual couples.

foxhound_fox

I don't get it and I don't think I ever will. I just don't understand how someone can support limiting one's rights based on their sexual preferences.

This doesn't repeal DADT. The repeal still relies on the President, the Joint Chief of Staff, and the Secretary of Defence agreeing with it after the study by the DoD has been completed. Its a good step, but its not the final nail in DADT's coffin.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]This doesn't repeal DADT. The repeal still relies on the President, the Joint Chief of Staff, and the Secretary of Defence agreeing with it after the study by the DoD has been completed. Its a good step, but its not the final nail in DADT's coffin.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]This doesn't repeal DADT. The repeal still relies on the President, the Joint Chief of Staff, and the Secretary of Defence agreeing with it after the study by the DoD has been completed. Its a good step, but its not the final nail in DADT's coffin.Bourbons3

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Snipes_2

Terrible. The silliness continues.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

super_mario_128

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] Are all the soldiers in the Army immature bigots? I'd like to think not.super_mario_128

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Snipes_2

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Snipes_2

how will it impact them? What is the big danger in all this? 10 year old don't serve in the military do they? Most gays would probably continue serving without telling anyone anyway

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, voting or having a say in a policy makes you an immature bigot now?Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Lab392

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

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Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Lab392

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

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Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

gamedude2020

how will it impact them? What is the big danger in all this? 10 year old don't serve in the military do they? Most gays would probably continue serving without telling anyone anyway

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Maniacc1

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Snipes_2

how will it impact them? What is the big danger in all this? 10 year old don't serve in the military do they? Most gays would probably continue serving without telling anyone anyway

no lol

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] No, being homophobic is.super_mario_128

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

how will it impact them? What is the big danger in all this? 10 year old don't serve in the military do they? Most gays would probably continue serving without telling anyone anyway

gamedude2020

no lol

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="Lab392"]

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

LJS9502_basic

Well I meant in regards to freedom of speech. Meaning denouncing an officer's orders or strategy can get you in serious trouble.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"] Yeah, if anything the Military is a special place when it comes to rights. The First Amendment doesn't even apply to its full extent. I suppose any soldier that tries to harm or bring down a gay one will get thrown out, as well they should be. Maniacc1

Well I meant in regards to freedom of speech. Meaning denouncing an officer's orders or strategy can get you in serious trouble.

Are you insinuating that everyone in the military is homophobic and shouldn't be able to do anything about this just because they may oppose it? Even though it impacts their lives, not the lives of civilians. Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Oh Joy, I think the soldiers should have a say in something that will impact them.

Snipes_2

They don't normally. They have their orders, and they accept them. That's how it works. Why can't you trust the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense on this?

I don't think men serving alongside women has been a rampant, horrific problem.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Uh they have a courts martial for crimes. As with civilians you have to be convicted first.:|LJS9502_basic

Well I meant in regards to freedom of speech. Meaning denouncing an officer's orders or strategy can get you in serious trouble.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] No, I was asking you that. And unless they are homophobic they have no reason to oppose it, as it does not affect their lives otherwise.

super_mario_128

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] No, I was asking you that. And unless they are homophobic they have no reason to oppose it, as it does not affect their lives otherwise.

super_mario_128

"Unless one of the exceptions from 10 U.S.C. § 654(b) applies, the policy prohibits anyone who "demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts" from serving in the armed forces of the United States, because "it would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_ask,_don't_tell

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] What makes me a "Homophobic Bigot"? If it doesn't effect their lives why is it in place?LJS9502_basic