BREAKING NEWS: House votes to repeal Don't ask Don't tell

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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"] Why did they not have a say in it? Do soldiers not have the option to vote while abroad or was this not up to public debate? Just curious.super_mario_128

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Unamerican? I think the term for Unamerican is one who is anti American.....LJS9502_basic

sometimes the majority should not have a say

the majority has led to some pretty awful things in the past, i.e. witch hunts, civil rights violations, etc.

this is yet another example of the majority not deserving a say in an issue.

A majority of Americans want repeal of DADT. 70%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/127904/Broad-Steady-Support-Openly-Gay-Service-Members.aspxDMAngara90

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DMAngara90"] Anti-Americans are people who dislike the country and the government (in a radical way, not just not liking the direction of the country.) UnAmerican is being against the values of the country. (Liberty and equal justice under the laws)

mrbojangles25

sometimes the majority should not have a say

the majority has led to some pretty awful things in the past, i.e. witch hunts, civil rights violations, etc.

this is yet another example of the majority not deserving a say in an issue.

Lol, This ad was on the bottom of the screen.

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Shouldn't the Congress wait for the military to issue their views on the matter after the in-depth analysis of the possible repercussions of doing this?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Bashers79"][QUOTE="sboyer2"] Nobody wants their lives and their country in the hands of a bunch of nancy's though. I didnt see problem with the lawsSubZerOo

The military design is very homosexual in nature to begin with.. Though its nothing physical, boot camp is meant to break down in individuality and work as a unit.. To the point the man or woman next to you, you would take a bullet for.. The SPartans did it to the extreme but in the end its still the same strategy.

Uhhh...what?

That's called brotherhood and comraderie...not homosexuality...

ITs good that they repealed it but theres gonna be quite a few folks that will drop out because of this we shall see how this turns out..they should of did this straight up in the 90s.

Some might have a problem with it but will get over it. Those who can't get over it should not be in the military in the first place and should be thrown out.

It's good that there is to be equal rights for all members of the military. I just hope that the adjustments for the more squirmish homophobes won't lead to any battlefield deaths that would have been avoided were this reform to have taken place during peacetime.

Wait - by repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", does that mean they've gone back to banning gays in the military?

Or is it now a open policy not to discriminate in any way whatsoever?

Wait - by repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", does that mean they've gone back to banning gays in the military?

Or is it now a open policy not to discriminate in any way whatsoever?

Netherscourge

How long until women can serve alongside men? F1_2004

This is in a whole other ballpark by itself lol

How long until women can serve alongside men? F1_2004

They already can and do...just not in Combat Arms MOSs which include Infantry, Armor, and Field Artillery.

For conservatives fighting for "Freedom" they seem to have no problem with fighting to keep freedom away from others. Good to see this pass, its a step in the right direction.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]This is great. Another improvement brought on by this administration. :)Hemmaroids

Baby steps.It will get there in time.

[QUOTE="Hemmaroids"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]This is great. Another improvement brought on by this administration. :)grizza

Baby steps.It will get there in time.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]How long until women can serve alongside men? SpartanMSU

They already can and do...just not in Combat Arms MOSs which include Infantry, Armor, and Field Artillery.

Equal but seperate, right?

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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]How long until women can serve alongside men? Pixel-Pirate

They already can and do...just not in Combat Arms MOSs which include Infantry, Armor, and Field Artillery.

Equal but seperate, right?

What? They serve alongside each other in Combat Support as well as Support MOSs such as Military Police and Transportation (many of whom see combat). You can look up the reasons why women aren't allowed in those 3 MOS branches. I'm not saying I agree with it, but there's reasons for it. It's not "bigotry".

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They already can and do...just not in Combat Arms MOSs which include Infantry, Armor, and Field Artillery.

SpartanMSU

Equal but seperate, right?

What? They serve alongside each other in Combat Support as well as Support MOSs such as Military Police and Transportation (many of whom see combat). You can look up the reasons why women aren't allowed in those 3 MOS branches. I'm not saying I agree with it, but there's reasons for it. It's not "bigotry".

Thats arguable.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Shouldn't the Congress wait for the military to issue their views on the matter after the in-depth analysis of the possible repercussions of doing this?DMAngara90

I don't see what was wrong with don't ask don't tell, there really is no reason why you would need to reveal you are gay in the military, nobody is joining for the dating scene, so why say. I doubt the straight people feel the need to reveal.KlownMaster

Well, there goes my draft dodge.

Well, there goes my draft dodge.

Dark_Knight6

I don't see what was wrong with don't ask don't tell, there really is no reason why you would need to reveal you are gay in the military, nobody is joining for the dating scene, so why say. I doubt the straight people feel the need to reveal.KlownMaster

The problem is if they are discovered at all (even if THEY didn't say it themselves) they will be discharged (I'm not sure which kind). This is a problem and it was a problem when people in very important and sensitive positions (like translators. A necessity) were being fired for basically no reason. Outside of that, they can never discuss their home life, the person they hope to come back to, etc, like all other soldiers are allowed to. It's about equality and fairness.

Well, there goes my draft dodge.

Dark_Knight6

It's interesting to me that so many believe the draft is going to happen soon.

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Well, there goes my draft dodge.

Pixel-Pirate

It's interesting to me that so many believe the draft is going to happen soon.

Nowhere in that post did I say I believe that there will be a draft anytime soon. Still, I like the idea of having a way out if the unexpected were to happen.

The President, the secretary of state, and the Joint Chiefs are all in favor of repealing it. I don't foresee anything incredibly negative coming through the report, so I think it's a non-issue. But, hypothetically, if it did say something negative, I'm assuming it would be able to keep DADT even if it's no longer law. It would just be a military policy.

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I don't see what was wrong with don't ask don't tell, there really is no reason why you would need to reveal you are gay in the military, nobody is joining for the dating scene, so why say. I doubt the straight people feel the need to reveal.KlownMaster

Does it matter?

I had a friend who was in the marines a couple years and by the story he tells, the military was pretty gay already.

I might be going to the Army and if I got to take a shower with a guy its really not going to make it any better if he gay...........Im sorry thats how I feel

Maybe the other side should "Get over it" too then. I mean, it's not impacting your day to day life is it?Snipes_2

I might be going to the Army and if I got to take a shower with a guy its really not going to make it any better if he gay...........Im sorry thats how I feel

x8VXU6

If it's such a big deal, perhaps you shouldn't join the army, then? If you can't discipline yourself so that it isn't an issue, than the military probably isn't for you.

Does it matter?

I had a friend who was in the marines a couple years and by the story he tells, the military was pretty gay already.

Bobzfamily

Oh indeed it is. Especially if you're a Combat Arms MOS. I'm pretty sure everyone in my unit has a little gayness in them.

I might be going to the Army and if I got to take a shower with a guy its really not going to make it any better if he gay...........Im sorry thats how I feel

x8VXU6

If you are willing to pick and choose your jobs based on such a petty issue then the military would be smart not to accept you anyway.

We'll see what happens to front-line cohesion.

We'll see what happens to front-line cohesion.

airshocker

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]This is great. Another improvement brought on by this administration. :)Hemmaroids

Why is everyone so against the competing GE/RR F136 engine? :(Dark__Link

I dunno, but I can only hope that one day all engines can serve in the military, regardless of their manufacture or fuel preferences.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]Why is everyone so against the competing GE/RR F136 engine? :(Frattracide

I dunno, but I can only hope that one day all engines can serve in the military, regardless of their manufacture or fuel preferences.

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Well, there goes my draft dodge.

Dark_Knight6

It's interesting to me that so many believe the draft is going to happen soon.

Nowhere in that post did I say I believe that there will be a draft anytime soon. Still, I like the idea of having a way out if the unexpected were to happen.

I actually doubt just saying "Oh, I'm gay would of worked, to be honest. That was EVERYONES out. I'm sure they had a safeguard for it (I.E. Prove it.)

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It's interesting to me that so many believe the draft is going to happen soon.

Pixel-Pirate

Nowhere in that post did I say I believe that there will be a draft anytime soon. Still, I like the idea of having a way out if the unexpected were to happen.

I actually doubt just saying "Oh, I'm gay would of worked, to be honest. That was EVERYONES out. I'm sure they had a safeguard for it (I.E. Prove it.)

To which one need only respond "Well, this place is kinda public for my taste, but you're the boss, hun." And slide off the chair onto their knees, slowly unzipping their pants.

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[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

A. They see it as a distraction, because it adds a sexual element to an otherwise non-sexual environment. B. Like it or not, a considerable number of people in the military do not have a high opinion of gay people. Many of them will be prone to violence toward gays, whether the gay soldiers are flaunting their sexuality or not. This is not coming from me. This is coming from my brother-in-law, my cousin, and several of my friends who are in the army and the marines. Whether it should be that way or not, it is, and this needs to be done gradually.

Elephant_Couple

I disagree completely.. The civil rights movements in the 50's and 60's didn't gradually attack the Jim Crowe laws.. Prejudice of any kind should not be accepted in the military what so ever.. There is entirely too much accepted prejudice as there is for military.. And your going to have to explain a sexual element, because the majority of gays in the military do not flaunt themselves, and the radical majority of times they are completely cluesless what goes on around them..

And to be fair there already is a sexual tone in military. They don't put you through a boot camp for fun, they do it to break down your individuality.. To gain a love for the man or woman next to you..

The civil rights movement didn't involve putting people in a potentially violent situation. It involved solving an already violent situation. It makes soldiers uncomfortable to know that certain people look at them in a sexual way they don't approve of. It prevents the trust and the cohesion required to be an effective fighting force.

The "fragging" of people during the Vietnam war and rampant drug use dissagree with your statement.