Can God create a rock he cannot lift?

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#51 Ineedtofindyou
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[QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]You can never find out unless god really exist.SonnyF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hsukCKuyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1kLsJ8zE8

God exists. Yiur held accountable with your actions. Deal with it.



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If you want your world changed, go smoke a joint.  Common sense isn't your strong point.

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#52 pianist
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Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

Ineedtofindyou


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]No, it shows that omnipotence is illogical.Ineedtofindyou

Or how some arguments against omnipotence are logical fallcies.

demonstrate how, it seems like it disproves an omnipotent god to me.

A perfect God cannot be God? 

based upon this logical proof, no, it's not possible.

/god

Logical proof that the universe came about from blind random chance?

I'll go with a supernatural act of God, thanks.

You'll never find find a scientist claiming that....do some research....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdGDKbflt1Q

I agree with what he said, creationists are both ignorant and delusional, but no where did he say life came about by random chance.

I also find it funny that the scientists noted for believing in creationism, lived BEFORE evolution was discovered.

Case and point

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#54 SolidSnake35
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Common sense isn't your strong point.Ineedtofindyou
Nor is it yours. Believing in God is far from common sense.
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#55 SonnyF
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[QUOTE="SonnyF"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]You can never find out unless god really exist.Ineedtofindyou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hsukCKuyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1kLsJ8zE8

God exists. Yiur held accountable with your actions. Deal with it.



yes, crazy stoned porn star man really changed my world around

If you want your world changed, go smoke a joint. Common sense isn't your strong point.



yes, a man on youtube talking about demons is strong evidence, maybe you should lay of the happy pills
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#56 Undoing_Ruin
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Wow religious arguements.

God cannot be proven or disproven.

Don't force your ideals down other people's throats. That goes for Aethiests too.
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#57 Ineedtofindyou
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[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.SolidSnake35

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God.  You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28).  You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart.  Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

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#58 SunofVich
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Oh yes everything on Youtube speaks the truth.

Its people like you that make me not want to convert to any religion.  What do you think I will become a Christian/Islam/Catholic out of fear from going to some made up place called hell. NO.
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God is too metaphysically high for us to comprehend.   
If you are seeking conflict and discord, you are seeking ungodly things.

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#60 Ineedtofindyou
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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]You can never find out unless god really exist.yoshi-lnex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hsukCKuyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1kLsJ8zE8

God exists.  Yiur held accountable with your actions.  Deal with it.

I think you need better proofs than a horribly confused man, if you are 100% sure that god exists, than you are just completely delusioned.

And you are delusional for thinking there is no value towards human life and that there is no moral accountability.

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#61 Ineedtofindyou
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God is too metaphysically high for us to comprehend.   
If you are seeking conflict and discord, you are seeking ungodly things.

nilemonitor

What do you use?  Meth?

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#63 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

pianist


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?


Despite the fact that our logic is, by nature, flawed in comparison to that of an omniscient being? Our intelligence, and as a result, our logic, is limited because man is not omnipotent, nor is he omniscient. God's logic, supposedly, is limitless because God is omnipotent and omniscient.

To reply to the thread creator, though, God can create a rock that is impossible for "Him" to lift, but only if "He" willingly limits "His" power.
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#64 firedonut
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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

pianist


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?



Well, by that reasoning, can't the same be said about the matter that formed the universe? If you're saying that it couldn't pop into existence, and couldn't have just always existed, then how are we here? Just curious.
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#65 SaintLeonidas
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the first thing like that i ever heard was can good make a burrito to hot for him to eat.
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#66 Ineedtofindyou
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Oh yes everything on Youtube speaks the truth.

Its people like you that make me not want to convert to any religion.  What do you think I will become a Christian/Islam/Catholic out of fear from going to some made up place called hell. NO.
SunofVich

Fear of Hell is not why anyone would follow Christ.  It's simply to be fufilled through Him and turn away from our sinful nature and to prepare for one's afterlife.

Please, get this crap straight.  These "fear of Hell" misconceptions are laughable.

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Ineedtofindyou, I asked you earlier in this thread to try and disprove these proofs that an omnipotent god does not exist, could you come up with a counter argument? These proofs seem to work.

Can God make a vhiacle that moves so fast he cannot catch it?

Can God bake a cake so big he cannot eat it?

Can God create a being equal to itself?

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#68 SonnyF
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all the atheists are crap throwing monkeysSe7enwolf101


*scrathes head, trying to decode this"

"is it a message from God??"
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#69 -Predak-
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moustache earphone master has a point, time didn't always exist, it started when the big bang happened.
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#70 pianist
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[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

firedonut


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?



Well, by that reasoning, can't the same be said about the matter that formed the universe? If you're saying that it couldn't pop into existence, and couldn't have just always existed, then how are we here? Just curious.



My claim wasn't that it is indeed impossible.  My claim is that it is thought to be logically impossible, and thus his argument that God can do anything so long as it is not illogical is flawed.
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#71 Ineedtofindyou
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[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

tycoonmike



If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?


Despite the fact that our logic is, by nature, flawed in comparison to that of an omniscient being? Our intelligence, and as a result, our logic, is limited because man is not omnipotent, nor is he omniscient. God's logic, supposedly, is limitless because God is omnipotent and omniscient.

To reply to the thread creator, though, God can create a rock that is impossible for "Him" to lift, but only if "He" willingly limits "His" power.

Wow, best reply to this thread.  Are there more of you?

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="AnimeKiller"]You can never find out unless god really exist.Ineedtofindyou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hsukCKuyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1kLsJ8zE8

God exists.  Yiur held accountable with your actions.  Deal with it.

I think you need better proofs than a horribly confused man, if you are 100% sure that god exists, than you are just completely delusioned.

And you are delusional for thinking there is no value towards human life and that there is no moral accountability.

I never stated that, you're just making assumptions at this point, such as god.
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#73 Ineedtofindyou
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moustache earphone master has a point, time didn't always exist, it started when the big bang happened.-Predak-

And the Big bang randomly aligned the moon and the sun at a perfect distance away from the sun too, huh? :lol:

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"as far as melon scratchers go, thats a hunny doddle"
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#75 DJ-PRIME90
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well he created earth. how much bigger a rock should he create?
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#76 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.Ineedtofindyou

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God. You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28). You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart. Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

That's great, but you avoided the main part of my post. People believe out of fear.
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#77 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.Ineedtofindyou

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God.  You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28).  You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart.  Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

Islam has basically the same message of you needing to believe to reach heaven, why don't you believe in that?
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#78 -Predak-
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Ineedtofindyou, I asked you earlier in this thread to try and disprove these proofs that an omnipotent god does not exist, could you come up with a counter argument? These proofs seem to work.

Can God make a vhiacle that moves so fast he cannot catch it?

Can God bake a cake so big he cannot eat it?

Can God create a being equal to itself?

yoshi-lnex

EXACTLY! if god cannot create a being equal to himself then he cannot create himself, which would be the only possible way for him to come in to existence, becuase nothing is more powerful then him!!!! thats it I WIN!

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[QUOTE="firedonut"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

pianist


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?



Well, by that reasoning, can't the same be said about the matter that formed the universe? If you're saying that it couldn't pop into existence, and couldn't have just always existed, then how are we here? Just curious.



My claim wasn't that it is indeed impossible. My claim is that it is thought to be logically impossible, and thus his argument that God can do anything so long as it is not illogical is flawed.



Oh ok, I gotcha! :P
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#80 SonnyF
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[QUOTE="-Predak-"]moustache earphone master has a point, time didn't always exist, it started when the big bang happened.Ineedtofindyou

And the Big bang randomly aligned the moon and the sun at a perfect distance away from the sun too, huh? :lol:



thats was just pure luck, concidering the size of the universe it was bound to happen somewhere, more than likely several times
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#81 Ineedtofindyou
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Ineedtofindyou, I asked you earlier in this thread to try and disprove these proofs that an omnipotent god does not exist, could you come up with a counter argument? These proofs seem to work.

Can God make a vhiacle that moves so fast he cannot catch it?

Can God bake a cake so big he cannot eat it?

Can God create a being equal to itself?

yoshi-lnex

These are logical fallacies.  Can God do the logically impossible and not be perfect? Does being perfect warrent doing the logically impossible and not be perfect?

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#82 pianist
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[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Nothing is beyong God's power, nothing but the logically impossible.

tycoonmike


If this is true then God certainly does not exist. By our current standards of reasoning, it is logically impossible for an intelligent entity to pop into existence from nothing, and it is logically impossible for something to exist infinitely. In fact, Creationists commonly use these two arguments in claiming that the existence of the universe is impossible without God. So what is it now? God can perform certain actions that are logically impossible, but not others? Whatever is convenient to the statement that God exists?


Despite the fact that our logic is, by nature, flawed in comparison to that of an omniscient being? Our intelligence, and as a result, our logic, is limited because man is not omnipotent, nor is he omniscient. God's logic, supposedly, is limitless because God is omnipotent and omniscient.

To reply to the thread creator, though, God can create a rock that is impossible for "Him" to lift, but only if "He" willingly limits "His" power.



Yes, it is supposedly limitless - assuming God exists at all. But if one assumes it is possible for illogical happenings to occur on account of God, one must also admit that it is possible for illogical things to happen in nature. Given that we've explored only a tiny fraction of our universe, and that history has shown that our notions about the principles that govern the universe often end up being wrong, I find it difficult to understand why Creationists claim that God must be behind the creation of the universe simply because we currently do not understand how it could exist infinitely or how it could develop from 'nothing.'
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[QUOTE="Se7enwolf101"]all the atheists are crap throwing monkeysSonnyF


*scrathes head, trying to decode this"

"is it a message from God??"

No, it's a message from your mom. ;) 

Allllllllll right.

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[QUOTE="-Predak-"]moustache earphone master has a point, time didn't always exist, it started when the big bang happened.Ineedtofindyou

And the Big bang randomly aligned the moon and the sun at a perfect distance away from the sun too, huh? :lol:

The big bang is not directly responsible for the possition of our sun or moon, like I stated earlier in this thread, do some research.
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#85 SonnyF
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[QUOTE="SonnyF"][QUOTE="Se7enwolf101"]all the atheists are crap throwing monkeysIneedtofindyou



*scrathes head, trying to decode this"

"is it a message from God??"

No, it's a message from your mom. ;)

Allllllllll right.



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#86 -Predak-
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Funny how noone has acknowledged the fact that i have definitely unproved God, so here: i will post it again

Can God create a being equal to itself?

EXACTLY! if god cannot create a being equal to himself then he cannot create himself, which would be the only possible way for him to come in to existence, becuase nothing is more powerful then him, so nothin is powerful enough to create him!!!! thats it, I WIN!

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Ineedtofindyou, I asked you earlier in this thread to try and disprove these proofs that an omnipotent god does not exist, could you come up with a counter argument? These proofs seem to work.

Can God make a vhiacle that moves so fast he cannot catch it?

Can God bake a cake so big he cannot eat it?

Can God create a being equal to itself?

Ineedtofindyou

These are logical fallacies.  Can God do the logically impossible and not be perfect? Does being perfect warrent doing the logically impossible and not be perfect?

No and Yes, it disproves god.

You still haven't provided a counter-argument, but you're making it obvious how dubious it is to believe in the Christian god.

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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.SolidSnake35

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God. You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28). You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart. Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

That's great, but you avoided the main part of my post. People believe out of fear.

Beleiving isn't enough.  One must repent from one's sins through Jesus Christ..  You think simply believing will allow anyone to gain entrance into Heaven?  Please.

Those who do believe out of fear would be succumbed to do good works to justify themselves to god because of their fear, but good works will not earn anyone salvation either.

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#89 aaaaarrrrggggg
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God's divine plan is directing me to kill you:twisted: (you heard nothing)
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#90 nilemonitor
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God is too metaphysically high for us to comprehend.   
If you are seeking conflict and discord, you are seeking ungodly things.

Ineedtofindyou

What do you use?  Meth?

Why not aspire to expand your level of self awareness rather than childishly attacking what you obviously do not understand?  I can’t explain quantum physics to a toddler.
As long as you remain closed you can never know the greater truth.  But far be it from me to stop you from announcing you are god by claiming to KNOW ALL things.

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#91 -Predak-
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.Ineedtofindyou

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God. You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28). You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart. Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

That's great, but you avoided the main part of my post. People believe out of fear.

Beleiving isn't enough.  One must repent from one's sins through Jesus Christ..  You think simply believing will allow anyone to gain entrance into Heaven?  Please.

Those who do believe out of fear would be succumbed to do good works to justify themselves to god because of their fear, but good works will not earn anyone salvation either.

then how do you gain salvation?

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Funny how noone has acknowledged the fact that i have definitely unproved God, so here: i will post it again

Can God create a being equal to itself?

EXACTLY! if god cannot create a being equal to himself then he cannot create himself, which would be the only possible way for him to come in to existence, becuase nothing is more powerful then him, so nothin is powerful enough to create him!!!! thats it, I WIN!

-Predak-


Wow, if it was that easy for you to disprove God, go use those skills to stop war and solve world hunger!!!!!

By the way, it is not that easy.
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#93 SolidSnake35
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Beleiving isn't enough. One must repent from one's sins through Jesus Christ.. You think simply believing will allow anyone to gain entrance into Heaven? Please.

Those who do believe out of fear would be succumbed to do good works to justify themselves to god because of their fear, but good works will not earn anyone salvation either.

Ineedtofindyou
So basically no one is going to heaven? Okay then, why should anyone care?
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.Ineedtofindyou

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God. You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28). You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart. Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

That's great, but you avoided the main part of my post. People believe out of fear.

Beleiving isn't enough.  One must repent from one's sins through Jesus Christ..  You think simply believing will allow anyone to gain entrance into Heaven?  Please.

Those who do believe out of fear would be succumbed to do good works to justify themselves to god because of their fear, but good works will not earn anyone salvation either.

Islam has basically the same message....why would you believe in christianity over it?

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#95 Ineedtofindyou
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Funny how noone has acknowledged the fact that i have definitely unproved God, so here: i will post it again

Can God create a being equal to itself?

EXACTLY! if god cannot create a being equal to himself then he cannot create himself, which would be the only possible way for him to come in to existence, becuase nothing is more powerful then him, so nothin is powerful enough to create him!!!! thats it, I WIN!

God coming into existence by creating himself?  Maybe he was just always there?  In a rebuttle, Yoshi-innex would reply, "Well why not go one step further and say the universe was always there?", and he may have a point.

Go ahead and believe that.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]God can't do anything. He never does.IsNotInterestes
/thread

That was nothing near a conclusion. It was useless at best.
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Well, I guess we can all stop debating and arguing now.
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#99 -Predak-
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Wow, if it was that easy for you to disprove God, go use those skills to stop war and solve world hunger!!!!!

By the way, it is not that easy.

I cannot disprove world hunger and war, because they are real. And it wasnt that hard to disprove god, becuase anybody with logic could see that he is fake

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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

[QUOTE="-Predak-"]Please we beg of you, if you have reliable, factual, tangible evidence of a supreme being we would LOVE to hear it. And God enjoys death and suffering, becuase if he wanted religious battles to stop, he would simply come down for one second and show everyone that he is the only one god, and noone would have reason to fight.yoshi-lnex

Got a ton, you just wouldn't accept it based upon your intelect.

And God already came down as Jesus Christ. Those who don't follow him and repent will be punished for eternity. I think God has this entire circumstance under control.

And these religious wars just use God as a justification for their actions. Can't blame them, can you? ;)

Why will I be punished? I'm not a bad person, yet I'll suffer for all eternity because I don't have faith. I guess the fear of that should make me want to believe, right?

No one is good, but God. You are a liar(you've lied, you're called a liar for lieing), you're a thief(you've stolen something, you're called a thief for stealing something) and you've lusted over a women(Jesus said that whosoever looks upon a women, to lust after her is commiting adultrey in his heart. Matt 5:28). You're a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart. Same goes for everyone else here, including me.

Those are only 3 of the 10 commandments though. There are 7 others pointed at you.

You'll suffer eternity because God won't take an adulterer, a thief and a mliar to heaven.

That's great, but you avoided the main part of my post. People believe out of fear.

Beleiving isn't enough.  One must repent from one's sins through Jesus Christ..  You think simply believing will allow anyone to gain entrance into Heaven?  Please.

Those who do believe out of fear would be succumbed to do good works to justify themselves to god because of their fear, but good works will not earn anyone salvation either.

Islam has basically the same message....why would you believe in christianity over it?

What makes more sense?  Having God die for humanity for sins or having people die for God through sumbittence?

Jesus Christ is the only way to save ourselves through sin, considering there is full and unconditional pardon.  God has laws and we broke them.  Christ came down to redeem humanity.

You'll find nothing of the sort in Islam, where there is no reassurance of salvation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnVsBUZQXFM