Can God create a rock he cannot lift?

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#151 Decessus
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The problem with debating the existence of God, and why it's impossible to come to any sort of agreement, is that there is an underlying issue that the two sides do not agree on. 

Reason vs. Faith

Philospher George H. Smith points this out in his book "Atheism: The Case Against God". 

"The conflict between Christian theism and atheism is fundamentally a conflict between faith and reason... Reason and faith are opposites, two mutually exclusive terms; there is no reconciliation or common ground.  Faith is belief without, or in spite of, reason."

The point being, that arguing about whether or not God exists is fruitless.  To a theist, it is possible to gain knowledge through faith.  To an atheist, the only meaningful way of obtaining knowledge is through reason and reason alone.  Faith is not an avenue to new knowledge.
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#152 Denjin_hadouken
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No he cannot because he doesnt have the power to do so.
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#153 murlow12
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Thank you for posting this. Maybe now some of these godless liberals will stop posing this ridiculous question.
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#154 Click_Clock
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god/goddesses/tooth fairy/santa clause doesn't exist. Period.
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#155 nilemonitor
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I see a lot of you have very narrow and limited ideas of what God is and in the case of your perception you are correct.  There is no God as how you currently define it.  But the reality is there is a higher source from which all of life springs forth and in death, all of life returns to and you can call it God, you can call it love, you can call it the higher self, you can call it Ala, you can call it mashed potatoes and gravy but it is what it is or better said, I AM that I AM.  So you may say, there is no such thing as God but I say all there is, is God.  Every one and every thing you have ever known is just God in disguise.  A man demanding that God reveal himself is like a tree demanding the sun to land on the Earth because the tree is too lazy to grow closer.

Humanity is the illusion because when you go to sleep and never wake up, then it is gone forever.  That is a very fragile form of existence yet it is the only one humanity is aware of.

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#156 kitty  Moderator
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enough with the god threads
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#157 steeeeeeveperry
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An even more potent question is would we miss him if he destroyed himself? Do you think without him the universe cannot function?
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#158 Rekunta
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Ineedtofindyou,

I am happy for your conviction.  Feel comfort in what you believe.  This high on your horse contemptuous attitude towards those that don't hold your same beliefs is quite irritating.

I'm not going to debate any points about the existence of God, as knowing that for sure is an impossibility.  As you know, the entire foundation of faith is based on this fact.

But I'll tell you what: link me to youtube videos, and I'll believe.  That will do it for me, no doubt.  Youtube is my newfound salvation!  I thank God for its creation, otherwise my faithless, ignorant, sinning ass would be eternally on the wrong path to the damnation of hell's depths!

Let me drop to my knees.....

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#159 zakkro
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Ah!!! Paradox!!!!
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#160 Headbanger88
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If God was a Persian could he block out the Sun with his arrows?


THIS IS SPARTA!!!
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#161 RogerC44
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No he's to strong.

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#162 cory4513
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Thank you for posting this. Maybe now some of these godless liberals will stop posing this ridiculous question.murlow12
Maybe some of these Stupid Conservetive Redneck Christians can realize christianity is a bucnh of Fairy tales
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#163 jakecufc8888
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actually yes God can make a rock he cant lift by just giving himself only human strength for the mean time of trying to lift the rock. Hes still God.
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If he turns himself into a human then how does he turn himself back? I cannot do that, nor can anyone else I've heard of.
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#164 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="Se7enwolf101"]actually yes God can make a rock he cant lift by just giving himself only human strength for the mean time of trying to lift the rock. Hes still God.
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If he turns himself into a human then how does he turn himself back? I cannot do that, nor can anyone else I've heard of.


Because you are not God. You are not omnipotent, you have never been omnipotent, nor will you ever be omnipotent. God, on the other hand, being omnipotent, can change the level of "His" strength at will, therefore, so long as God limits "His" own power, "He" can create an object that is too massive for "He" to lift.
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#165 Leu-kun
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This thread is a joke
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#166 Flaming_Ape
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God can create anything of any size...and he/she can lift any weight he/she wants to.
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#167 BobbyBobby85
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It's basically a double negative.  Using God's power against himself is more or less a completely stupid pondering someone once came up with to get people to doubt him.

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#168 yoshi-lnex
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It's basically a double negative.  Using God's power against himself is more or less a completely stupid pondering someone once came up with to get people to doubt him.

BobbyBobby85
The proof does work, and nobody has provided a counter-example.....
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#169 1337_ownage
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the only reason that i htink that alot of people believe in god is that people is afraid to think what will happen when they die.....they cant accept the fact that there will not be anything happening after death.....

if we can have a second life once we dies....waht are we doing here on eaerth with a life spand?