Can my teacher do this? (pledge of allegiance)

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

Pledge of Alliegence is not required so yes, I would report her. I personally stand for the pledge( and I'm the only person who actually says it out).

edit: actually I would just stand up :?

It's a hell of a lot easier to just stand up and put my hand over my chest for a whole 30 seconds than go through some **** of reporting her

Yes, report her, she doesnt have the right to do that.

I guess she could make you stand up and stuff, but she cant deduct points from your grade. Report that motha****a!

Hah.

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

i agree with this

No she can't. Report her to you principal or counselor.

Also, don't make an issue with it her in class. She will resent you for it and will be less likely to back down on it. Going to her superiors will force her to stop, and will save her face.

eh... not really in her authority to do that... but is it really a fight worth picking? i think sometimes people fight just to fight.

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

...Its funny to hear people say this "well who cares just do it" yeah thats the easy thing to do, and just let her continue to do something she isnt allowed to do. Since when should it be okay, since when she we just over look stuff like this? Pretty sad responses coming from some people here.

I believe she can make you stand but she cannot make you salute to the flag or recite it. Dark_Knight6

eh her class her rules but the problem is somebody always gets points off this way and i'd like to think that when her rules are idiotic she can be overruledSerraph105

Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasucfamgcn

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

achilles614

Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasucfamgcn

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?Travo_basic

School is not just about knowledge, or else attendance would not be mandatory. I am just saying that it is a stupid fight to pick, he is perfectly capable to do it. My question to him would be, why not stand up?

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

Get up and start singing 'God Save The Queen' and see what she does. :lol:Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

School is not just about knowledge, or else attendance would not be mandatory. I am just saying that it is a stupid fight to pick, he is perfectly capable to do it. My question to him would be, why not stand up?

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasumfacek

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

She is not forcing him too. If he wants a good grade he will tho...

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

achilles614

Thats completely stupid, unless everyone can somehow synchronize standing up :roll:

I've heard you might have to at least stand up, but she can't deduct points from your grade, that isn't fair.

But since you are a senior (assuming you are), I wouldn't even bother with it.

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?SaintLeonidas

...Its funny to hear people say this "well who cares just do it" yeah thats the easy thing to do, and just let her continue to do something she isnt allowed to do. Since when should it be okay, since when she we just over look stuff like this? Pretty sad responses coming from some people here.

reality check. people do stuff all the time they should not be doing.. people eat grapes from the grocery store produce sectionwithout paying for them.. you gonna tackle them and demand they pay for the grapes? sometimes its better to just deal. trying to fight everyone over every little thing will make you miserable.

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasumfacek

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

Exactly.

Patriotism is a choice...

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasuFrKnPuertoRican

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

She is not forcing him too. If he wants a good grade he will tho...

...Are you serious?

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

achilles614

You should report her. Patriotism is optional, and should never be forced.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?comp_atkins

...Its funny to hear people say this "well who cares just do it" yeah thats the easy thing to do, and just let her continue to do something she isnt allowed to do. Since when should it be okay, since when she we just over look stuff like this? Pretty sad responses coming from some people here.

reality check. people do stuff all the time they should not be doing.. people eat grapes from the grocery store produce sectionwithout paying for them.. you gonna tackle them and demand they pay for the grapes? sometimes its better to just deal. trying to fight everyone over every little thing will make you miserable.

Having your rights infringed on is a little different then eating indivdual grapes from a grocery store without paying.

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

mfacek

eh... not really in her authority to do that... but is it really a fight worth picking? i think sometimes people fight just to fight.

comp_atkins

The TC didn't want this fight. He was pushed, she kept pushing him, wouldn't leave him alone. Everyman has a breaking point, all he wanted was to be left alone.

They should have left him alone, now they pushed him too far, one war against one woman, a one man war.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?comp_atkins

...Its funny to hear people say this "well who cares just do it" yeah thats the easy thing to do, and just let her continue to do something she isnt allowed to do. Since when should it be okay, since when she we just over look stuff like this? Pretty sad responses coming from some people here.

reality check. people do stuff all the time they should not be doing.. people eat grapes from the grocery store produce sectionwithout paying for them.. you gonna tackle them and demand they pay for the grapes? sometimes its better to just deal. trying to fight everyone over every little thing will make you miserable.

No. Our rights are our rights.

Never compromise.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

elblanquito_81

Respect should be optional as well. I wouldn't admire the kid for sitting, but he has that right.

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?FrKnPuertoRican

School is not just about knowledge, or else attendance would not be mandatory. I am just saying that it is a stupid fight to pick, he is perfectly capable to do it. My question to him would be, why not stand up?

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]Why make problems for so little? It's not like it is such a great effort to stand up. ~ de arimasuachilles614

Well, I'm not American, and I don't see a problem with it. You may have all the evidence you want to say it is wrong, but still it doesn't make a fight worth picking. ~ de arimasu

I have to side with the "pick your battles" posts. That said:

1. Think about why you don't stand up. Dislike our nation's current policies? Disagree with the idea of reciting an oath of loyalty? You'd better know in your heart, because eventually someone's going to ask for an explanation.
2. Be respectful in challenging this. She may be acting outside of her authority, but she has a reason for it, and it's as valid to her as your reason for not pledging.
3. Discuss it with her privately. Challenging authority is a lot easier on all involved when it's not done in public (though sometimes not as effective).

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

elblanquito_81

The fact that she'll reduce my grade for her beliefs is idiotic. How about she deducts points for people who support gay marriage?

Having your rights infringed on is a little different then eating indivdual grapes from a grocery store without paying.

mfacek

I thought it was OK, you know unwritten law, to test one or two grapes before committing to buying a bunch. Everyone does it.:(

She can't do that.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]why do you have to make a fuss about something stupid. Just say the damn pledge of allegiance. Does it make you feel rebellious not to or something?mfacek

...Its funny to hear people say this "well who cares just do it" yeah thats the easy thing to do, and just let her continue to do something she isnt allowed to do. Since when should it be okay, since when she we just over look stuff like this? Pretty sad responses coming from some people here.

reality check. people do stuff all the time they should not be doing.. people eat grapes from the grocery store produce sectionwithout paying for them.. you gonna tackle them and demand they pay for the grapes? sometimes its better to just deal. trying to fight everyone over every little thing will make you miserable.

Having your rights infringed on is a little different then eating indivdual grapes from a grocery store without paying.

meh... some will take it as "mah rights r being violated".. others will see its not worth the fight and stand up. just because you're saying the pledge of alligiance doesn't mean you believe what you're saying.

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

achilles614

Required to graduate? What the hell kind of school do you go to?

Do it and think about doing it for the marines that have died for this country.battlefront23

I have more respect for the US Military than you could possibly know.

That being said, he does not have to stand up. He has a right to choose to be patriotic, just like I have a choice not to like him if he comes off as a douche.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

FORCING someone to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is inherently un-American.

elblanquito_81

She is deducting points from the LAST person to stand. Even if he stands but is a little late in doing it he loses points. She shouldn't be able to force him to recite it, stand for it, or even look at the flag.

You want to really respect the flag? Then stand up for what thousands of men and women have died for and what the flag stands for....freedom.

Every hear of a thing called freedom of speech?

This isn't North Korea.