Can my teacher do this? (pledge of allegiance)

How would he being accepting the sundae though? (It was a sundae; not a cupcake! :P) He purposefully chose not to take it when (I'll add to it) I worked really hard to make it for them, so then how would he be "accepting" it?

battlefront23

THe military did not die for your right to not respect the flag.They died so that you could choose to, by choosing not to you are paying no tribute to them. Quit acting like a patriot when you are a traitor.FrKnPuertoRican

:lol: traitor? for not saluting the flag? that's a little harsh no? break out the gallows!!!!

sounds a little rediculous to me.

test her, report her, i hate people that do stupid unlogical things.

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]THe military did not die for your right to not respect the flag.They died so that you could choose to, by choosing not to you are paying no tribute to them. Quit acting like a patriot when you are a traitor.comp_atkins

:lol: traitor? for not saluting the flag? thats a little harsh no?

strong retoric...yes...but i stick by it. I am not saying he is guilty of treason or anything, but by using your freedom to disrespect the freedom you've been given, i think you are a traitor.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]THe military did not die for your right to not respect the flag.They died so that you could choose to, by choosing not to you are paying no tribute to them. Quit acting like a patriot when you are a traitor.FrKnPuertoRican

:lol: traitor? for not saluting the flag? thats a little harsh no?

strong retoric...yes...but i stick by it. I am not saying he is guilty of treason or anything, but by using your freedom to disrespect the freedom you've been given, i think you are a traitor.

opinion noted and disagreed with.

The TC didn't want this fight. He was pushed, she kept pushing him, wouldn't leave him alone. Everyman has a breaking point, all he wanted was to be left alone.

They should have left him alone, now they pushed him too far, one war against one woman, a one man war.

Hoobinator

Tell me thats not Rambo First Blood Part 1..........

And anyways, No she cant do that.

A students grade is the reflection of whether or not he is fullfilling the course goals, not wether he can stand up real fast.

Thats like your math teacher telling you to jump up and down or youll lose points. And last time I checked we still lived in a free society, as long as people stand up for those rights.

And I want, What TC wants, and every other guy, who came here, and sat in a desk, and did his homework, and listened to his teacher, wants! For our school to love us as much as we sometimes love it!

But yes, I suppose you should talk to the principal or VP or whoevers in charge if you feel it is becoming too unfair.

I had a teacher who put me in ISS because I came to school late when there was a really bad wreck on the road. And when I told her that I couldnt have gotten to school on time BC of the wreck, she said "Well you should have been prepared"

Oh right, Im sorry, I should have been prepared for some guy to try and pass someone else and have someone smash into him and kill him, I wasnt really worried about getting to school at the time, just that a guy had friggen died in front of us, and it could have been me that died. But no, I guess I shoulda looked in my Crystal Ball or used the Force and been prepared!

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]THe military did not die for your right to not respect the flag.They died so that you could choose to, by choosing not to you are paying no tribute to them. Quit acting like a patriot when you are a traitor.achilles614

No not fear. If you are afraid that is your own perogative. I am just pointing out the truth.

strong retoric...yes...but i stick by it. I am not saying he is guilty of treason or anything, but by using your freedom to disrespect the freedom you've been given, i think you are a traitor.

FrKnPuertoRican

Is he disrespecting or merely exercising the freedom he has?

Think carefully before you reply.

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]

strong retoric...yes...but i stick by it. I am not saying he is guilty of treason or anything, but by using your freedom to disrespect the freedom you've been given, i think you are a traitor.

Hoobinator

Is he disrespecting or merely exercising the freedom he has?

Think carefully before you reply.

both...i thought long and hard

....thats what she said.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

The TC didn't want this fight. He was pushed, she kept pushing him, wouldn't leave him alone. Everyman has a breaking point, all he wanted was to be left alone.

They should have left him alone, now they pushed him too far, one war against one woman, a one man war.

Raok

Tell me thats not Rambo First Blood Part 1..........

:lol: You got me, I was paraphrasing parts of Rambo. The teacher reminded me of the seargent pushing Rambo.... they pushed him too far.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

How would he being accepting the sundae though? (It was a sundae; not a cupcake! :P) He purposefully chose not to take it when (I'll add to it) I worked really hard to make it for them, so then how would he be "accepting" it?

DeeJayInphinity

So just to clarify, it's liking taking the sundae but not eating it?

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Is he disrespecting or merely exercising the freedom he has?

Think carefully before you reply.

FrKnPuertoRican

both...i thought long and hard

....thats what she said.

And how exactly is he disrespecting the freedom he is given? Those were your exact words.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

How would he being accepting the sundae though? (It was a sundae; not a cupcake! :P) He purposefully chose not to take it when (I'll add to it) I worked really hard to make it for them, so then how would he be "accepting" it?

battlefront23

So just to clarify, it's liking taking the sundae but not eating it?

shes not acually deducting marks off you, you do realize this yes?diped

Just stand. If you can't get off your butt for 30 sec, you got some obese issue.Dallas_Cowboys9

Ok in my Tech class, I have this teacher who if you're the last person to stand up during the pledge of allegiance or don't stand up at all, she deducts points from your grade. I think that's absolutely assinine because first off it's a class of mostly seniors (12th grade), and because where does it say that we have to pledge.

Next time I'm in her class I'm not standing up at all (it's required to graduate so that's why I haven't been messing with her) and if she takes points off my grade I'll report her if I can.

This isn't the only time I've seen an overly patriotic teacher impose the pledge on students and I'm sure some of you OTers have seen it too. So can she do this? All comments and discussion welcome.

achilles614

if you dont worship the flag, you get an F!..... your teachers a tard

Get up and start singing 'God Save The Queen' and see what she does. :lol:Hoobinator

That teacher is just trying to instill some discipline in you. As well as trying to teach you all to have at least some amount of respect for our flag. Instead of trying to be a troublemaker, why not just stand for the minute or so it takes to recite it (you don't even have to say it, just stand up). It's not like it's going to kill you.elblanquito_81

Sometimes I'm just quite happy that I don't live in America.Vfanek

Sometimes I'm just quite happy that I don't live in America.Vfanek

Me too. OT reminds me of that fact most days. I think schoolchildren pledging allegience to flags every day is reminiscent of a totalitarian regime.

Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?Vandalvideo

Yup she probably views it as her classroom and she requires it for her class. I hope she denys deducting points to the principal, then fails him and makes up some other bs excuse. If i was the teacher I'd give a writing assignment with the topic of all the beneficial things that america has done, and make it worth half his grade.

FrKnPuertoRican

wow, it is obvious that you hate freedom and support totalitarianism. I really hope you don't have the gall to call yourself a patriot.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?Jandurin

How'd your LSATs go? You were gonna take that the other day, right?Jandurin

Actually, if you took it to the courts you could argue the de facto segregation for an action protected by the constitution. That was another court case....Vandalvideo

Logic games make you want to punch a grandma in the face though.Vandalvideo

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Just sayin'.Elraptor

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]How'd your LSATs go? You were gonna take that the other day, right?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?Vandalvideo

I actually do not think what the teacher is doing is that big of a deal. Its just for a little bit. I had to say the pledge back when I was in school and it is a tradition that will probobly continue.

The problem I have here, is that THE LAST PERSON TO STAND UP gets knocked down a few points. I do not think it is appropriate to have a race at the beginning of the day with your future on the line. Also, what happens if you just stand up and never sit down? If everyone did that could you somehow "cheat the system"?

i understand people are patiotic but its up to the individual whether to pledge allegiances to their country hasnt america got the right of free speech so isnt it your freedom not to salute

its a stupid thing to be complain for as there may be people from other countrys in the class and may feel strongly for their country

but if it was a case she just told you off it wouldt be so bad but to take off your grade is bad it seems shes not bothered wat is the schools policy on it?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?achilles614

those student code of conduct has never held up in court.

[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shrug. The worst she can do is send you to the principal. Are you not standing because you just feel rebellious, or do you actually have some personal issue with the pledge?Guybrush_3

those student code of conduct has never held up in court.

The teacher isn't very popular amongst the students so I know if I don't stand up I won't be the only one. I'm not sure if I should just not stand up anymore, the whole idea of ****ing in your own yard comes to mind.

Teachers should teach, and when you're young, enforce a bit of discipline.

But a teacher should never enforce their social/philosophical/moral/religious beliefs on you.

It is so simple.

]I didn't have her class today, but was talking with some friends on the issue. Apparently you don't have to pledge but you do have to stand up (for some reason) and signing the student code of conduct in the beginning of the year basically yields most of your rights (freedom of speech for example).achilles614

[QUOTE="achilles614"]]I didn't have her class today, but was talking with some friends on the issue. Apparently you don't have to pledge but you do have to stand up (for some reason) and signing the student code of conduct in the beginning of the year basically yields most of your rights (freedom of speech for example).Vandalvideo

Deducting points just because your the last person standing is the most childish way for an adult to discipline a student.

Hmm, a bad apple. Haha get? Either do I :(

[QUOTE="achilles614"]]I didn't have her class today, but was talking with some friends on the issue. Apparently you don't have to pledge but you do have to stand up (for some reason) and signing the student code of conduct in the beginning of the year basically yields most of your rights (freedom of speech for example).Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="achilles614"]]I didn't have her class today, but was talking with some friends on the issue. Apparently you don't have to pledge but you do have to stand up (for some reason) and signing the student code of conduct in the beginning of the year basically yields most of your rights (freedom of speech for example).p2rus

I think you guys completely missed the point...

The point is that its a race to stand up and its pretty dumb.

Thats all.