If you aren't a Christian, what would persuade you to become one? Also, somewhat related, why are you not one?
MatrixSamurai27
A resolution to my ethical problem with God as portrayed in Christianity would at least make it possible for me to be a Christian, but I don't think that I would still feel any need to become one, so nothing really.
If you aren't a Christian, what would persuade you to become one? Also, somewhat related, why are you not one?
xaos
A resolution to my ethical problem with God as portrayed in Christianity would at least make it possible for me to be a Christian, but I don't think that I would still feel any need to become one, so nothing really.
Xaos, you do know you just opened the flood gates?
Even if God was proven to exist (which is pretty much impossible as far as the Christian interpretation of God is concerned) I still wouldn't worship him, for reasons quite nicely outlined in that great Epicurus quote.
If you aren't a Christian, what would persuade you to become one? Also, somewhat related, why are you not one?
clayron
A resolution to my ethical problem with God as portrayed in Christianity would at least make it possible for me to be a Christian, but I don't think that I would still feel any need to become one, so nothing really.
Xaos, you do know you just opened the flood gates?
Well, I figured if TC was going to make a meta-evangelism thread, I might as well do my part to help make sure it reaches the 500 post count before being locked
I'd need to have concrete evidence for your God's existance. The fact no such evidence exists (nor will it in future) is why I'm not a Christian.super_mario_128
Even if God was proven to exist (which is pretty much impossible as far as the Christian interpretation of God is concerned) I still wouldn't worship him, for reasons quite nicely outlined in that great Epicurus quote.
Well, I figured if TC was going to make a meta-evangelism thread, I might as well do my part to help make sure it reaches the 500 post count before being lockedxaos
Good Sir, I would say you are a person of great philanthrophy. Giving yourself so that this thread may survive. :lol:
I doubt I would ever become a christian. I certainly don't believe the bible to be true, but if it does end up being true, I don't care. I'm not fond of the bible's god or his twisted views on everything morality related. I would sooner amputate one of my arms with a butter knife than kneel before him.
[QUOTE="xaos"]Well, I figured if TC was going to make a meta-evangelism thread, I might as well do my part to help make sure it reaches the 500 post count before being lockedclayron
Good Sir, I would say you are a person of great philanthrophy. Giving yourself so that this thread may survive. :lol:
[QUOTE="xaos"]Well, I figured if TC was going to make a meta-evangelism thread, I might as well do my part to help make sure it reaches the 500 post count before being lockedchessmaster1989
Good Sir, I would say you are a person of great philanthrophy. Giving yourself so that this thread may survive. :lol:
I'd need to have concrete evidence for your God's existance. The fact no such evidence exists (nor will it in future) is why I'm not a Christian.super_mario_128
That is why there are things called "faith" and "choice". I am not nor would ever knock another's beliefs. Everyone is free to choose to have faith in something higher than themselves or not. I choose to have faith, others do not. That is one of the many things that makes life in United States so great.
I doubt I would ever become a christian. I certainly don't believe the bible to be true, but if it does end up being true, I don't care. I'm not fond of the bible's god or his twisted views on everything morality related. I would sooner amputate one of my arms with a butter knife than kneel before him.
dracula_16
Thing is, by not kneeling for him you risk, no, guarantee yourself an eternity of suffering. I'd certainly toss aside my ego to avoid that.
Please, people, if you don't believe in God, then you don't need to offend people like me by calling him "your God" and saying flat out that he doesn't exist. If that's what you believe, then fine, but please word your beliefs in a nicer way.
I doubt I would ever become a christian. I certainly don't believe the bible to be true, but if it does end up being true, I don't care. I'm not fond of the bible's god or his twisted views on everything morality related. I would sooner amputate one of my arms with a butter knife than kneel before him.
super_mario_128
Thing is, by not kneeling for him you risk, no, guarantee yourself an eternity of suffering. I'd certainly toss aside my ego to avoid that. Pascal's Wager is cynical, and I can't imagine an omniscient God being taken in by someone making a decision on those grounds.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'd need to have concrete evidence for your God's existance. The fact no such evidence exists (nor will it in future) is why I'm not a Christian.rawsavon
That is why there are things called "faith" and "choice". I am not nor would ever knock another's beliefs. Everyone is free to choose to have faith in something higher than themselves or not. I choose to have faith, others do not. That is one of the many things that makes life in United States so great. I didn't say I was an atheist; I'm just not a Christian. And I did not say anything contrary to what you said in your other four lines, though the US isn't the only country where people can CHOOSE to believe in what they wish...
I doubt I would ever become a christian. I certainly don't believe the bible to be true, but if it does end up being true, I don't care. I'm not fond of the bible's god or his twisted views on everything morality related. I would sooner amputate one of my arms with a butter knife than kneel before him.
super_mario_128
Thing is, by not kneeling for him you risk, no, guarantee yourself an eternity of suffering. I'd certainly toss aside my ego to avoid that.
If standing up for what's right is egocentric then so be it.
I doubt I would ever become a christian. I certainly don't believe the bible to be true, but if it does end up being true, I don't care. I'm not fond of the bible's god or his twisted views on everything morality related. I would sooner amputate one of my arms with a butter knife than kneel before him.
Thing is, by not kneeling for him you risk, no, guarantee yourself an eternity of suffering. I'd certainly toss aside my ego to avoid that. Pascal's Wager is cynical, and I can't imagine an omniscient God being taken in by someone making a decision on those grounds. I hear from some Christians hear that the only way to enter the kingdom of the Lord is to accept the blood of Jesus, or something; thus washing away my sins and starting anew. Therefore my past would be irrelevant, no?
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'd need to have concrete evidence for your God's existance. The fact no such evidence exists (nor will it in future) is why I'm not a Christian.super_mario_128
That is why there are things called "faith" and "choice". I am not nor would ever knock another's beliefs. Everyone is free to choose to have faith in something higher than themselves or not. I choose to have faith, others do not. That is one of the many things that makes life in United States so great. I didn't say I was an atheist; I'm just not a Christian. And I did not say anything contrary to what you said in your other four lines, though the US isn't the only country where people can CHOOSE to believe in what they wish... I was not saying you were. I just used your quote to make a point...no offense meant Also, I said the U.S. because I did not want to make worldwide generalizations...guess I could have said in "free world"...whatever that means
What kind of evidence are some of you that responded looking for?
[QUOTE="MatrixSamurai27"]
If you aren't a Christian, what would persuade you to become one? Also, somewhat related, why are you not one?
xaos
A resolution to my ethical problem with God as portrayed in Christianity would at least make it possible for me to be a Christian, but I don't think that I would still feel any need to become one, so nothing really.
Just a quick observation: It seems the "non christians" (whatever that means) are getting more upset/animated about this topic than the "christians" This is neither good nor bad It is just the opposite of what I expected
What kind of evidence are some of you that responded looking for?
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="MatrixSamurai27"] A resolution to my ethical problem with God as portrayed in Christianity would at least make it possible for me to be a Christian, but I don't think that I would still feel any need to become one, so nothing really.MatrixSamurai27
What is that ethical problem?
nothing...... and its BSbsman00
Why is it?
why is it bs? Well Christianity is based on the bible.... and the bible is BS....there are no such things as talking snakes and virgin births...
Just a quick observation: It seems the "non christians" (whatever that means) are getting more upset/animated about this topic than the "christians" This is neither good nor bad It is just the opposite of what I expectedrawsavon
Non christains are tired of religious fanatics trying to change them. They also are interested in thinking logical and wish others woudl as well. I myself am trying to 'save' theists and turn them to the dark side.
why is it bs? Well Christianity is based on the bible.... and the bible is BS....there are no such things as talking snakes and virgin births...
bsman00
Christianity being true doesn't really stand or fall on either of those things. Also, you haven't given any reason why talking snakes or virgin births are impossible (assuming the snake wasn't a metaphor for Satan).
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Just a quick observation: It seems the "non christians" (whatever that means) are getting more upset/animated about this topic than the "christians" This is neither good nor bad It is just the opposite of what I expectedBumFluff122
Non christains are tired of religious fanatics trying to change them. They also are interested in thinking logical and wish others woudl as well. I myself am trying to 'save' theists and turn them to the dark side. I don't think the point of the thread was anything hostile (at least that is how I took it). I just posted hear hoping for honest/civil discussion on something that did not involve games for a chage.
I decided to become a Christian later in my life. I was Agnostic before. When I was around 23 years old, I began searching and praying. I decided to get baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am now 42 years old and have never regretted my decision.
[QUOTE="bsman00"]why is it bs? Well Christianity is based on the bible.... and the bible is BS....there are no such things as talking snakes and virgin births...
MatrixSamurai27
Christianity being true doesn't really stand or fall on either of those things. Also, you haven't given any reason why talking snakes or virgin births are impossible (assuming the snake wasn't a metaphor for Satan).
Well there is no documented evidence of a virgin birth........ and all the christians i have talk to... said the talking snake is literal....
[QUOTE="bsman00"]why is it bs? Well Christianity is based on the bible.... and the bible is BS....there are no such things as talking snakes and virgin births...
MatrixSamurai27
Christianity being true doesn't really stand or fall on either of those things. Also, you haven't given any reason why talking snakes or virgin births are impossible (assuming the snake wasn't a metaphor for Satan).
That has always been my take on it. That is the word 'serpent' descibes more of the personality of Satan.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Just a quick observation: It seems the "non christians" (whatever that means) are getting more upset/animated about this topic than the "christians" This is neither good nor bad It is just the opposite of what I expectedrawsavon
Non christains are tired of religious fanatics trying to change them. They also are interested in thinking logical and wish others woudl as well. I myself am trying to 'save' theists and turn them to the dark side. I don't think the point of the thread was anything hostile (at least that is how I took it). I just posted hear hoping for honest/civil discussion on something that did not involve games for a chage.I know a lot of Chrsitian and theistic thinkers are as you are. They don't openly attack people for their beliefs. However, as I have stated in other religion based threads, the argumentative ones are the loudest. Every week or so there is a group of indiviauls who openly attempt to evanglize in these forums and everyone else on the forums are basically tired of it. These are the Young Earth Creationists and they set their evagelical times and dates in their union. I think that is the reason why so many people are acting the way they do.
Well there is no documented evidence of a virgin birth........ and all the christians i have talk to... said the talking snake is literal....
bsman00
Well, to be fair it was not a snake. It was a serpent...who could probably walk on legs. After he messed up God cursed him with moving upon the ground on his belly...thus becoming a snake.
I know a lot of Chrsitian and theistic thinkers are as you are. They don't openly attack people for their beliefs. However, as I have stated in other religion based threads, the argumentative ones are the loudest. Every week or so there is a group of indiviauls who openly attempt to evanglize in these forums and everyone else on the forums are basically tired of it. These are the Young Earth Creationists and they set their evagelical times and dates in their union. I think that is the reason why so many people are acting the way they do.BumFluff122
It is pretty interesting that as he mentioned I see more atheists in the forums exposing their views and getting as worked up as religious fanatics about it every time someone talks about their religious views.
If you aren't a Christian, what would persuade you to become one? Also, somewhat related, why are you not one?
MatrixSamurai27
something to prove that your dogma over other religions. I'm not one because I choose not be follow organized religions that have no more credibility than any other religion.
]I know a lot of Chrsitian and theistic thinkers are as you are. They don't openly attack people for their beliefs. However, as I have stated in other religion based threads, the argumentative ones are the loudest. Every week or so there is a group of indiviauls who openly attempt to evanglize in these forums and everyone else on the forums are basically tired of it. These are the Young Earth Creationists and they set their evagelical times and dates in their union. I think that is the reason why so many people are acting the way they do.
BumFluff122
Do not blame the whole for a select few. Have I ever tried to evangelize you, Bumfluff? Or have I loved you unconditionally regardless of our differences?
Well there is no documented evidence of a virgin birth........ and all the christians i have talk to... said the talking snake is literal....
Well, to be fair it was not a snake. It was a serpent...who could probably walk on legs. After he messed up God cursed him with moving upon the ground on his belly...thus becoming a snake.
lol... this is why christianty is not my thing..... its just as silly a zeus and those others gods...
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Non christains are tired of religious fanatics trying to change them. They also are interested in thinking logical and wish others woudl as well. I myself am trying to 'save' theists and turn them to the dark side.
I don't think the point of the thread was anything hostile (at least that is how I took it). I just posted hear hoping for honest/civil discussion on something that did not involve games for a chage.I know a lot of Chrsitian and theistic thinkers are as you are. They don't openly attack people for their beliefs. However, as I have stated in other religion based threads, the argumentative ones are the loudest. Every week or so there is a group of indiviauls who openly attempt to evanglize in these forums and everyone else on the forums are basically tired of it. These are the Young Earth Creationists and they set their evagelical times and dates in their union. I think that is the reason why so many people are acting the way they do. Well that was definately not my intent The biggest thing I take from my beleifs is "judge not, or you will be judged" or "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I am FAR from living sin free. So I do not judge anyone (I may not agree with others, but I do not judge) I just enjoy philisophical conversations with ALL types of people (who wants to argue/converse with people just like themself = boring)
I probably wouldn't want to become a christian no matter what. Since my experiences have given me a strong distaste to everything that i consider to be related to christianity. There is also the problem with the lack of any real evidence to support the claims.
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