Christianity

I'd need a personal experience with God. Tangible and irrefutable. I already feel there is a great deal of good to be found in Christianity, but there are aspects of it that bother me deeply from a moral point of view, and I would not hand my life over to the complete doctrine without serious contemplation.

Also for the guy looking for reasons how the bibles inconsistant read Issiah 17:1 It says damascus will become a heap of ruins, Ironically Damascus is one of the oldest contiuosly inhabited cities on earth.

muff07

The prophets use figurative and hyperbolic language to predict literal judgments. This verse would indicate the Damascus of his day would lose its political power. Indeed, verse 3 says "The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be like the glory of the Israelites,' declares the LORD Almighty." Read the verse in context next time. Anyway, like I said, this kind of thing isn't worth pursuing much because contradictions in a document don't automatically discount it as having accurate history in it.

Historical events aren't supernatural. There is no proof in history that the supernatural exists.guynamedbilly

Mere assertion. Reasons to back up that assertion?

Why would you put the same criteria on the supernatural as you would the natural?

Okay, this is pretty simple. The first Christians claimed Jesus rose from the dead in real life (in history). Not spiritually, not in their minds, hearts, or whatever. How else are do you think they're supposed to show that this happened to future generations? We know of other historical events because people wrote about them.

Why? Because I feel the Christianity threatens me and my beliefs and therefore, they don't deserve my love. lexika

i think that having over 6 billion people on the planet currently and over 200,000 years of history (so says wiki) and not one person has ever been able to obtain ANY proof of the supernatural is proof enough we have cameras in so many places nowadays and can see almost anything on this earth if one were so inclined, and yet no GHOST or super natural whatevers have ever been caught on camera ("they dont appear because of magic") and you know why you never hear of a ghost in a public area? its because the supernatural is ********* how convenient ghouls and ghosts only appear in dark, secluded areas. and you never see someone cure the blind with their hands outside of TVi-rock-socks

Also, I need to say something about the intent of this thread. There is no point posting if you're just going to say I'm not a Christian and nothing would convince you, unless you say why, because then people can interact with your reasons for non-belief. Then we can have a discussion, which is the point of a forum.

[QUOTE="lexika"]

Why?

wow, TC's name. Matrix, awesome Samurai, awsome 27, my favourite number. I think I love you.-eddy-

Err, what? Who is TC?

Do i think GOD has made the evidence avoidable? i dont get what you mean by that....please explain more....bsman00

See my replies above in my last post. If you want a standard of proof like them, then I won't waste my time.

I'm not Christian because the way I see it, its just another religion that was brought onto the world just like the others, nothing more than just a Jewish sect.

Also its ideas and philosophy I dislike.

Yeah proof is stupid who needs that....bsman00

Standard of proof. Not merely proof. I'm not going to repeat what I've said because it's quite clear. Waiting on you.

The problem is that these standards of proof for belief are too high. First of all, they make belief in God unavoidable, so then God doesn't have an avenue to test us to see if we really are truth seeking. Second, miracles aren't part of the "normal" operations of the universe so to speak. They need to be rare for several reasons. Finally, historians don't require that something in the past actually be seen by people today in order for it to be considered historical.MatrixSamurai27

Also, why you would you then not worship Him?

MatrixSamurai27

[QUOTE="bsman00"]Yeah proof is stupid who needs that....MatrixSamurai27

Standard of proof. Not merely proof. I'm not going to repeat what I've said because it's quite clear. Waiting on you.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Historical events aren't supernatural. There is no proof in history that the supernatural exists.MatrixSamurai27

Mere assertion. Reasons to back up that assertion?

Why would you put the same criteria on the supernatural as you would the natural?guynamedbilly

Okay, this is pretty simple. The first Christians claimed Jesus rose from the dead in real life (in history). Not spiritually, not in their minds, hearts, or whatever. How else are do you think they're supposed to show that this happened to future generations? We know of other historical events because people wrote about them.

As to the second quote, it's the same problem as the first. People also wrote about wizards and dragons, elves, flying carpets, genies, and mystical sea creatures at the edges of the oceans. I could never base my meaning of existence on something someone just told me about. I'd have to experience it for myself.

As for a visual demonstration of Jesus revealing himself being too direct, maybe so but I don't care. I don't understand the logic behind believing in a savior who wants people to love him and whom he wants to save from eternal damnation, but wants to put these little hurdles along the way. It makes no sense in the natural order of things and I am a natural being, so I can't accept that. If he really wanted people to love him and his creation and be saved, why wouldn't he make it as easy as possible for them to do so? And so I guess the counterargument is that we can never know the mind of god and his ways are higher than our ways, to which I say. Ok, not interested then.

The core message of Christianity is very good. However, the institutions of religion, and the methods most people use to practice Christianity are rotten and detrimental to the prosperity of humanity.

God can change your life in so many ways. All you have to do is love and believe him.

Merely because God appears before you does not mean the Christian view of the world is the correct one nor does it mean that the Jewish view of the world is the correct one or any other religion.

God can change your life in so many ways. All you have to do is love and believe him.

J-man45

I am a christan. Why wouldn't some one be? "It's so illogical"

I am a christan. Why wouldn't some one be? "It's so illogical"

talonkarrde07

I am a christan. Why wouldn't some one be? "It's so illogical"

talonkarrde07

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

God can change your life in so many ways. All you have to do is love and believe him.

[QUOTE="InsaneGamer323"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] There is no proof in history that the supernatural exists. Why would you put the same criteria on the supernatural as you would the natural?i-rock-socks

God can change your life in so many ways. All you have to do is love and believe him.

J-man45

I am a Christian because, among other things, the evidence for Jesus Christ and His Resurrection is quite simply incontrovertible.Lansdowne5

I don't want to "believe" in a God... I want to "know" and "experience" God. Which is why I'm such a fan of Vedanta. Instead of saying "we know God exists and you should believe in Him, because if you don't, he'll send you to Hell" it says "we know Brahman exists, and here is how we came to understand how that's possible, just follow these intructions and you should find it too."

Historians still need some kind of objective evidence in order to consider something "historical."foxhound_fox

First we need to DEFINE what God is. Is he energy? If so it's very likely that he is a part of physics and can be mathematically defined and explained. Is he a radiation? Then again like a source of energy (radiation is energy) he should be able to be explainedphysically.

The way I see it, people choose to believe in God because they want to live longer or go to heaven. Others simply don't like the bad and unjust things which happen to people in this world so they believe in God because it gives them hope that things will turn out for the better for them (see are all religions false?).

Personally I don't want to live forever on Earth. I may want to live longer, a 1000 years lifespan would be extemely cool but I don't want to live on earth for eternity or without end because that would be the real hell.

God can change your life in so many ways. All you have to do is love and believe him.

J-man45

First we need to DEFINE what God is. Is he energy? If so it's very likely that he is a part of physics and can be mathematically defined and explained. Is he a radiation? Then again like a source of energy (radiation is energy) he should be able to be explainedphysically.

The way I see it, people choose to believe in God because they want to live longer or go to heaven. Others simply don't like the bad and unjust things which happen to people in this world so they believe in God because it gives them hope that things will turn out for the better for them (see are all religions false?).

Personally I don't want to live forever on Earth. I may want to live longer, a 1000 years lifespan would be extemely cool but I don't want to live on earth for eternity or without end because that would be the real hell.

X4D

No. There is no proof of any of the religons are correct except for a very old book that could have been writen by anyone.

And everything in it has been disproved by science. I do not believe what I merely hear, but what is proven to me.

And the bible says incest and rape are okay so like, yeah. That doesn't really work for me. Oh and the bible never actually says "The devil is bad." Not that I'm a satanist or anything but...

If God were to come to me and say it was all correct then I'd probably switch. But that hasn't ever happened so yeah.

And I used to believe. Before I learned about science.

Scientific evidence or a personal experience that would remove all doubt.

But, I seriously hope that god as in the bible doesn't exist, cause that guy is a psychopath.

No. There is no proof of any of the religons are correct except for a very old book that could have been writen by anyone.

And everything in it has been disproved by science. I do not believe what I merely hear, but what is proven to me.

And the bible says incest and rape are okay so like, yeah. That doesn't really work for me. Oh and the bible never actually says "The devil is bad." Not that I'm a satanist or anything but...

If God were to come to me and say it was all correct then I'd probably switch. But that hasn't ever happened so yeah.

And I used to believe. Before I learned about science.

Yoweeh

OH EM GEE!

My first account suicide.

What a nice picture, thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE="Yoweeh"]

No. There is no proof of any of the religons are correct except for a very old book that could have been writen by anyone.

And everything in it has been disproved by science. I do not believe what I merely hear, but what is proven to me.

And the bible says incest and rape are okay so like, yeah. That doesn't really work for me. Oh and the bible never actually says "The devil is bad." Not that I'm a satanist or anything but...

If God were to come to me and say it was all correct then I'd probably switch. But that hasn't ever happened so yeah.

And I used to believe. Before I learned about science.

That depends on the type of satanism really. the LaVey version of satanism is an anti religous/self worship,but there are both those who worship satan as a being as well as another group that intellectually agree with lucifer over god and think lucifers only sin is telling god he is wrong and selfish.mattykovax

OH EM GEE!

My first account suicide.

clayron

and in a Religious thread at that!

[QUOTE="clayron"]

OH EM GEE!

My first account suicide.

Lindsosaurus

and in a Religious thread at that!

What happened?

What happened?

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]

OH EM GEE!

My first account suicide.

chessmaster1989

and in a Religious thread at that!

What happened?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

What happened?

BumFluff122

Oh, probably was the same guy who posted in the sci fi movies thread. That pic was really, really disturbing... :?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

What happened?

chessmaster1989

Oh, probably was the same guy who posted in the sci fi movies thread. That pic was really, really disturbing... :?

Christianity is too corrupt. Don't get me wrong though, almost any group with that much power would be.

i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)BIOSHOCKER98

[QUOTE="clayron"]

OH EM GEE!

My first account suicide.

Lindsosaurus

and in a Religious thread at that!

i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)BIOSHOCKER98

[QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)clayron

[QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)clayron

very immature. but can you explain why its fail?..

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)mattykovax

:lol: man I laughed so hard

very immature. but can you explain why its fail?..

BIOSHOCKER98

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)BIOSHOCKER98

very immature. but can you explain why its fail?..

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]i would never turn christain. i stay loyal to my current religon. (im catholic)BIOSHOCKER98

very immature. but can you explain why its fail?..

[QUOTE="BIOSHOCKER98"]

very immature. but can you explain why its fail?..

Teenaged

nope, its way different. its like comparing jewish to musilm