Church Tells HIV Patients To Stop Treatment. At Least 6 Die As a Result.

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Wolf-Man2006

No. He's a literate person who understands where the burden of proof lies.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm talking about the Church as an institution not as Jesus intended.musicalmac

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

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Its official: you are the worst troll in existence

LordQuorthon

No. He's a literate person who understands where the burden of proof lies.

So your idea of a church is one without central tenets?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

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Its official: you are the worst troll in existence

LordQuorthon

No. He's a literate person who understands where the burden of proof lies.

I never said that, any organized religion is basically institutionalized, they have a structure.kuraimen

[QUOTE="Labavo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's not proof. So do you have any? Or are you just trying to troll more?alexside1

If I said a polka-dotted, flying, talking dog with 5000 eyes, 3000 legs, 3000 arms, and 2000 noses didn't exist, you wouldn't object in such a manner. "Oh, well he might! You don't know that for sure! Therefore, you can't make an absolute claim." The fact is, there's also a 00.000000000000000000000001% chance that you don't exist and a 100% chance that I slept with your mom last night.

Of course he's the most brilliant mind that there is.alexside1

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

i bet if the church told them to jump off a bridge, they'd do that too.

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Of course he's the most brilliant mind that there is.LordQuorthon

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

Yeah cuz people don't die of AIDS no matter what.

Death is inevitable.

It's how you live that defines you, not how you die.

pff....religion they tell their people to jump and they jump.....GG guys really.....

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Of course he's the most brilliant mind that there is.LJS9502_basic

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I never said that, any organized religion is basically institutionalized, they have a structure.musicalmac

You are wrong. The burden of proof ALWAYS lies with the person making a "factual" statement. Period.LJS9502_basic

So, Zeus can both exist and not exist unless I say that he doesn't exist; then he exists and I have to prove that he doesn't?

You really are a smart cookie, champ.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

Labavo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You are wrong. The burden of proof ALWAYS lies with the person making a "factual" statement. Period.LordQuorthon

So, Zeus can both exist and not exist unless I say that he doesn't exist; then he exists and I have to prove that he doesn't?

You really are a smart cookie, champ.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Labavo"] The proof that there is no God is the proof that there isn't any proof of one.Labavo

I Agree.

There is no sensible proof of god as mentioned in the bible exists.

For religous oddballs to come back with "you prove he does not exist" is a total cop out.

Where was god mentioned for thousands of years before Judaism and other races worshipped multiple gods?

According to the bible god created universe - man in seven days. What about dinosaurs?

The Gospels were not putto paperuntil 100 to300 years after Jesus died.

Pope Alexander the whatever - Borgia and many other popes have been less than "holy"

Please tell me where I can go to find proof of God - Not nature not evolution - God

When I was talking about the Church I was talking about the institution. People call the institution the Church all the time it is even recognized as such a term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Church#Visible_and_the_invisible_church "contrasts with the "visible church"-that is, the institutional body on earth which preaches the gospel and administers the sacraments." "The visible church may also refer to an association of particular churches from multiple locations who unite themselves under a common charter and set of governmental principles. The church in the visible sense is often governed by office-bearers carrying titles such as minister, pastor, teacher, elder, and deacon."kuraimen

[QUOTE="Labavo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's not proof. So do you have any? Or are you just trying to troll more?PresidentLogan

I Agree.

There is no sensible proof of god as mentioned in the bible exists.

For religous oddballs to come back with "you prove he does not exist" is a total cop out.

Where was god mentioned for thousands of years before Judaism and other races worshipped multiple gods?

According to the bible god created universe - man in seven days. What about dinosaurs?

The Gospels were not putto paperuntil 100 to300 years after Jesus died.

Pope Alexander the whatever - Borgia and many other popes have been less than "holy"

Please tell me where I can go to find proof of God - Not nature not evolution - God

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

Labavo

Perfect comeback

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Likely not. But undestanding how the burden of proof works is a step in the right direction.

Here's how it works: VAMPIRES EXIST BECUZ U CANT PROVE THAT DEY DUN EXIST LOL isn't exactly the smartest thing to say. Vampires, of course, can be god, werewolves, demons, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, or zombies and the sentence would be just as dumb. You can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him real.

It's logic. And logic tends to be very simple and elegant, even though some people insist on being immune to it.

Labavo

[QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

[QUOTE="Labavo"] There's no proof that a flying, pooping ice cream cone with sharp, silver claws and poo-brown eyes doesn't exist, but you don't believe in one because there's no proof that there is none. If the very basis for believing something is that there's no proof going against it, you might as well believe in anything.LJS9502_basic

I Agree.

There is no sensible proof of god as mentioned in the bible exists.

For religous oddballs to come back with "you prove he does not exist" is a total cop out.

Where was god mentioned for thousands of years before Judaism and other races worshipped multiple gods?

According to the bible god created universe - man in seven days. What about dinosaurs?

The Gospels were not putto paperuntil 100 to300 years after Jesus died.

Pope Alexander the whatever - Borgia and many other popes have been less than "holy"

Please tell me where I can go to find proof of God - Not nature not evolution - God

I can though because there is NO EVIDENCE PLUS THE OTHER STUFF I MENTIONED ABOVE

Whether or not Zeus exists is not dependent on your beliefs....LJS9502_basic

No. It depends on whether he exists or not and, until he shows his face on TV and tells us all about how great it was to pork his sister or we see him rocking arenas around the world with his mad guitar skills, it is a fact that he doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] When I was talking about the Church I was talking about the institution. People call the institution the Church all the time it is even recognized as such a term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Church#Visible_and_the_invisible_church "contrasts with the "visible church"-that is, the institutional body on earth which preaches the gospel and administers the sacraments." "The visible church may also refer to an association of particular churches from multiple locations who unite themselves under a common charter and set of governmental principles. The church in the visible sense is often governed by office-bearers carrying titles such as minister, pastor, teacher, elder, and deacon."musicalmac

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Whether or not Zeus exists is not dependent on your beliefs....LordQuorthon

No. It depends on whether he exists or not and, until he shows his face on TV and tells us all about how great it was to pork his sister or we see him rocking arenas around the world with his mad guitar skills, it is a fact that he doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="Labavo"][QUOTE="alexside1"] .....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH I never imagine that one day an atheist would resort to this argument.LJS9502_basic

Wat, you can't take that route for the argument. You, and no one else, has any evidence that confirms the existence of any god.

"You have no proof"
"Oh yea, well, you have no proof that proves that there is no proof -- yea!"

And because it's impossible to prove that a god doesn't exist, under the supremely bs 'logic' that god beliefs are based on, you have to prove it to everyone else. We could list every conflicting result from science and any god's existence, and still get argued with, needlessly, by the 'non-thinking' that is faith.

(and don't take it as an absolute, it's tedious to explain that something is 99.999...% certain)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Labavo"] So I have to disprove the existence of a god? Well, if that's the case, I can levitate objects with my mind. Prove that I can't.Inconsistancy

Wat, you can't take that route for the argument. You, and no one else, has any evidence that confirms the existence of any god.

"You have no proof"
"Oh yea, well, you have no proof that proves that there is no proof -- yea!"

And because it's impossible to prove that a god doesn't exist, under the supremely bs 'logic' that god beliefs are based on, you have to prove it to everyone else. We could list every conflicting result from science and any god's existence, and still get argued with, needlessl at is faith.

Of course it is possible. If you are referring to organized institutions people refer to all the time as the Church. This was a thread about christians so I thought it was obvious I was talking about institutionalized Christianity first and foremost and the Theology of Liberation is a christian movement. We are now arguing semantics. I was talking about the Church in general as institutionalized christian entities, if you don't believe me well too bad.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Of course it is possible. If you are referring to organized institutions people refer to all the time as the Church. This was a thread about christians so I thought it was obvious I was talking about institutionalized Christianity first and foremost and the Theology of Liberation is a christian movement. We are now arguing semantics. I was talking about the Church in general as institutionalized christian entities, if you don't believe me well too bad.musicalmac

I just quoted a source where the term is used as I intended :|kuraimen

Do people with HIV still have sex?AussieePet

Do people with HIV still have sex?AussieePet

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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Do people with HIV still have sex?thegerg

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I just quoted a source where the term is used as I intended :|musicalmac

Do people with HIV still have sex?AussieePet

Your opinions you mean?LJS9502_basic

It's a fact until proven otherwise. That is how logic works and that is why faith has nothing to do with logic. That doesn't make faith inherently good or bad, it just happens to walk an entirely different path that is not related to logic.

What really amazes me about believers is that they are almost physically unable to be content with their faith. They have to use broken logic to go to the Internet and "prove" non-believers that their illogical beliefs are true. I say that's just doubt... And when it comes to faith, doubt is understandable; just keep it to yourself and let other people be.

There is no sensible proof of god as mentioned in the bible exists. No proof He doesn't either.

For religous oddballs to come back with "you prove he does not exist" is a total cop out. It's a cop out for militant atheists to hide behind the existence as a one way street. Making any statement as a fact means you have to provide the proof of said facts. Belief is not fact.

Where was god mentioned for thousands of years before Judaism and other races worshipped multiple gods? You can say it wasn't known? You can only say there is no exidence due to lack of written text. They are not the same thing. Multiple vs single doesn't mean humans didn't believe differently about the same thing.

According to the bible god created universe - man in seven days. What about dinosaurs? The bible was not, is not, and will not, be considered a science book. Seven days are more like ages by the way.

The Gospels were not putto paperuntil 100 to300 years after Jesus died. Much of day to day living and teaching was not written down. However, word of mouth does not negate the teachings. The first gospel was written roughly 65-70 AD. Jesus is estimated to have been crucified roughly 30 AD give or take. That's not a big gap.

Pope Alexander the whatever - Borgia and many other popes have been less than "holy" Yes. Shocking humans are flawed and no one is above bad acts.The church made reforms after the Borgias.

Please tell me where I can go to find proof of God - Not nature not evolution - God God is found through faith. Not scientific evidence. No one has stated otherwise in this thread.

PresidentLogan

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]Do people with HIV still have sex?AussieePet

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Do people with HIV still have sex?gubrushadow

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