Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
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Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]LOLWUT? Who is arguing about whether or not it is appropriate to retaliate? This isn't even part of the point being debated.[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"] Yes it would. Would it mean I should punch you in the face? Should it mean I should kill you? No. If religion is all about finding god and searching for forgiveness why are there so many religious wars? why do we have killing themselves for their religion? You call it fascist why? Just because I do not accept religion I am in the wrong? Why should I make allowances for it? Could we not apply that drug users think that taking cocaine is fine yet for people to see that as WRONG that is a fascist view as well?
o0squishy0o
The point is, you're suggesting that it is foolish that people get offended, but quite clearly you yourself agree that there are situations in which you too would get in such a state.
The only thing is, you're being quite the fascist when you define what someone should and should not be offended about. Whether or not someone has the right to retaliate is an entirely different discussion.
Well yes some things can be taken in great offense. Lets say killing harming etc other people I would be offended by it. However I find someone burning the english flag non offensive since its a flag. I know what england stands for I know who fought for the country. The Flag may be a symbol of that but it was not the actual thing that did it if you see what I am getting at. What are your views then on people who believe that you should make allowances for them because of their faith. I just think that religion is a very dangerous thing. Its not equal to all parties involved. Its extremely suppressive. It down plays people. It holds back science; threats were made to the people who discovered the world was not flat, was not the center of the universe etc. How/why is anything like that acceptable? Flash forward to now before I get the (oh those were the old days) short skirts can get a woman raped and beaten, showing your face can get a woman beaten. Being a homosexual can (and I have seen it) get you killed by public hanging. What atheism has done that in recent times? By that I mean in the belief of there is no god or supreme beings? You continue to prove my point with posts like this dude, I don't know why you don't see it.[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]Well I am not saying the world would be all peaches and cream if it was pushed out of society. I am simply saying that religion in power is a more dangerous thing since its based of a very very very old idea. SquatsAreAwesomThe ideas of which Western Culture is based on is older then the religion you're attempting to demonize. Are you suggesting we should dismantle our own society? Why would it dismantle it. All it would be is through education, people would be encourage to think outside of the box. Teach them all the aspects of religion both good and bad. Explain how it effected people changed society etc. I am in no way in saying forget about religion but I am saying lets not give it any sort of power and for it to be taught as history not the present. Would you not agree that you can learn a lot more about the world today from reading the encyclopedia than the bible? I am myself more into supporting man. Man made God to suppress Man. There is no plausible evidence to support the existence of God. I would rather my children grow up to explore the world and question everything not to be held by the hand of a book that promises everything that disallows a lot more. I mean like someone said posting a picture of Muhammad is not allowed. How crazy is that? What sort of thinking is that for a way of life.
One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion?Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
sonicare
Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.LJS9502_basicPlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.SquatsAreAwesomPlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with. Obviously you missed my point then. Or just don't want to respond to it.
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] The ideas of which Western Culture is based on is older then the religion you're attempting to demonize. Are you suggesting we should dismantle our own society?o0squishy0oWhy would it dismantle it. All it would be is through education, people would be encourage to think outside of the box. Teach them all the aspects of religion both good and bad. Explain how it effected people changed society etc. I am in no way in saying forget about religion but I am saying lets not give it any sort of power and for it to be taught as history not the present. Would you not agree that you can learn a lot more about the world today from reading the encyclopedia than the bible? I am myself more into supporting man. Man made God to suppress Man. There is no plausible evidence to support the existence of God. I would rather my children grow up to explore the world and question everything not to be held by the hand of a book that promises everything that disallows a lot more. I mean like someone said posting a picture of Muhammad is not allowed. How crazy is that? What sort of thinking is that for a way of life. You claim that the issue with religion is largely due to it's ideas being old, yet you fail to realize that our own system is much older then the ones you are demonizing. As such, why do you even intend to keep this one.
Now you're just back pedaling and changing the course of the discussion. Do you take back your statement?
[QUOTE="sonicare"]One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion?Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
LJS9502_basic
Of course it's their freedom of speech to burn the Qu'ran. Just as it's eveyone else's freedom of speech to talked about how stupid of an idea it is.
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.LJS9502_basicPlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with. Obviously you missed my point then. Or just don't want to respond to it. Yes, quite clearly I don't understand the discussion I'm having with someone, but the person who jumps in half way to make a totally off-base reply does. LJ you're classic bro. You keep on keeping on with your defense of Christianity and your opportunistic replies to defend the stance of those who would love to see you go next. At the very least have the decency to read our back and forth instead of interjecting random thoughts into a conversation that isn't yours. It's just plain rude.
Yes, quite clearly I don't understand the discussion I'm having with someone, but the person who jumps in half way to make a totally off-base reply does. LJ you're classic bro. You keep on keeping on with your defense of Christianity and your opportunistic replies to defend the stance of those who would love to see you go next. At the very least have the decency to read our back and forth instead of interjecting random thoughts into a conversation that isn't yours. It's just plain rude.SquatsAreAwesomThis posts shows what I'm talking about. You blamed Western Civilization as ideas being older. I mentioned that religion is used inappropriately and IS currently causing problems in the world..more so than Western Civilization. And your response to that is a straw man attack on me.
[QUOTE="sonicare"]One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion? Oh, it's freedom of speech alright, but it's not very Christian-like to do this. It's a very different situation when a non religious person burns a Bible or a Qu'ran, mainly because it doesn't make them hypocrites in the process. In my opinion, it does not matter if a Christian burns the Qu'ran or a Muslim burns the Bible, both would be acting against the premise of their own religion.Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
LJS9502_basic
One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion? Oh, it's freedom of speech alright, but it's not very Christian-like to do this. It's a very different situation when a non religious person burns a Bible or a Qu'ran, mainly because it doesn't make them hypocrites in the process. In my opinion, it does not matter if a Christian burns the Qu'ran or a Muslim burns the Bible, both would be acting against the premise of their own religion.You do know Bibles have been burnt?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sonicare"]
Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
Animatronic64
Wow, do they understand just how offensive that is to Muslims?fabz_95Didn't the terrorists understand how offensive it is to destroy buildings and kill thousands? There are idiots on both sides.
Then why bring Western Culture into the equation unless it's to denounce it?
The ideas of which Western Culture is based on is older then the religion you're attempting to demonize. SquatsAreAwesom
Didn't the terrorists understand how offensive it is to destroy buildings and kill thousands? There are idiots on both sides. That's more than offensive......:|[QUOTE="fabz_95"]Wow, do they understand just how offensive that is to Muslims?Hexagon_777
Oh, it's freedom of speech alright, but it's not very Christian-like to do this. It's a very different situation when a non religious person burns a Bible or a Qu'ran, mainly because it doesn't make them hypocrites in the process. In my opinion, it does not matter if a Christian burns the Qu'ran or a Muslim burns the Bible, both would be acting against the premise of their own religion.You do know Bibles have been burnt? Um... Yeah?[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion?LJS9502_basic
Then why bring Western Culture into the equation unless it's to denounce it?[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]
The ideas of which Western Culture is based on is older then the religion you're attempting to demonize. LJS9502_basic
Not sure if serious.
This'll be interesting to see the Islamic reaction, rioting and burning of the Stars and Stripes no doubt. They're as bad as each other.mikegtfcThey do that already. They will have to be more creative than that.
Um... Yeah? Animatronic64Okay. Hasn't stopped the faith though has it? Doesn't matter what those without faith do....what's important is that those with faith follow the guidelines. There is always going to be dissenters.....but you feed them when you get upset over what they do. That's what they want....
Okay. Hasn't stopped the faith though has it? Doesn't matter what those without faith do....what's important is that those with faith follow the guidelines. There is always going to be dissenters.....but you feed them when you get upset over what they do. That's what they want.... I think you completely misunderstood my point, but okay.[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]Um... Yeah? LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="fabz_95"]Wow, do they understand just how offensive that is to Muslims?LJS9502_basicDidn't the terrorists understand how offensive it is to destroy buildings and kill thousands? There are idiots on both sides. That's more than offensive......:| If Christians can tolerate a few idiot Muslims, then Muslims can tolerate a few idiot Christians.
That's more than offensive......:| If Christians can tolerate a few idiot Muslims, then Muslims can tolerate a few idiot Christians. Er no. What I mean was while burning a holy book may be offensive...it's much worse to randomly kill.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Didn't the terrorists understand how offensive it is to destroy buildings and kill thousands? There are idiots on both sides.Hexagon_777
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]If Christians can tolerate a few idiot Muslims, then Muslims can tolerate a few idiot Christians. Er no. What I mean was while burning a holy book may be offensive...it's much worse to randomly kill. Pretty sure 9/11 wasn't random, but OK. However, killing is worse then burning someone's holy book.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's more than offensive......:| LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.SquatsAreAwesomPlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with. He does not have to be following your conversation to be on topic, relevant, or to make a valid point in this thread. I was not aware of your convo at all and I had made a couple of points earlier on. So what? it is a thread for any and all to contribute and nobody had to approve.
One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion?LJS9502_basic
just because it's freedom of speech, it doesn't make it ok. Do you think it's ok for Christian extremists to protest someone's funeral, because the law says it's freedom of speech?
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.iowastatePlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with. He does not have to be following your conversation to be on topic, relevant, or to make a valid point in this thread. I was not aware of your convo at all and I had made a couple of points earlier on. So what? it is a thread for any and all to contribute and nobody had to approve. He doesn't have to adhere to what SquatsAreAwesom tells him to, but Squat's sure as hell can speak his mind as well. I didn't think he was too out of line.
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christianity is not fighting over differences in beliefs. So that would be pointless.iowastatePlease, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with. He does not have to be following your conversation to be on topic, relevant, or to make a valid point in this thread. I was not aware of your convo at all and I had made a couple of points earlier on. So what? it is a thread for any and all to contribute and nobody had to approve. Correct, except when you take someone's statement entirely out of context and then begin to frame it to suggest something entirely different, thereis issue.
The problem is, LJ has a chronic issue with doing just thing. Swooping in and making absolutely irrelevant and tangent statements, while framing your words in an entirely different light. This isn't the first time hes done this with me, it's quite consistent.
[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Please, next time if you aren't following the conversation, don't interject. You're not even half sure of what both of us we were discussing. Your entire point was irrelevant to begin with.Animatronic64He does not have to be following your conversation to be on topic, relevant, or to make a valid point in this thread. I was not aware of your convo at all and I had made a couple of points earlier on. So what? it is a thread for any and all to contribute and nobody had to approve. He doesn't have to adhere to what SquatsAreAwesom tells him to, but Squat's sure as hell can speak his mind as well. I didn't think he was too out of line. He attacked me...not the argument. :|
He doesn't have to adhere to what SquatsAreAwesom tells him to, but Squat's sure as hell can speak his mind as well. I didn't think he was too out of line. He attacked me...not the argument. :| To me, it didn't seem like much of an attack. Maybe he was a little rude about it, and could have worded it differently. Meh, whatever, not my problem.[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="iowastate"] He does not have to be following your conversation to be on topic, relevant, or to make a valid point in this thread. I was not aware of your convo at all and I had made a couple of points earlier on. So what? it is a thread for any and all to contribute and nobody had to approve.LJS9502_basic
I was on topic to what point I wanted to make about the post I quoted. And if one cannot respond the post...that is fine. But ad hominem attacks are not the way to persuade someone to one's side though they seem to occur with regularity.LJS9502_basicWho's attempting to persuade you of anything? Last I checked, you and I were not debating anything. As has happened on numerous occasions, you pulled out a statement I made, re-framed it to mean something entirely differently, then expected me to have a serious discussion about it.
Expecting me to not call you out for such behavoir is nothing short of amusing.
Hell, perhaps I may have been a bit aggressive in my tone, but this isn't the first time you've done this. I quite honestly find myself believing you do these things on purpose seeing as though you're the only one who engages in this kind of behavoir on OT. I'm just being straight up anout it.
Who's attempting to persuade you of anything? Last I checked, you and I were not debating anything. As has happened on numerous occasions, you pulled out a statement I made, re-framed it to mean something entirely differently, then expected me to have a serious discussion about it.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I was on topic to what point I wanted to make about the post I quoted. And if one cannot respond the post...that is fine. But ad hominem attacks are not the way to persuade someone to one's side though they seem to occur with regularity.SquatsAreAwesom
Expecting me to not call you out is nothing short of amusing. Hell, perhaps I may have been a bit aggressive in my tone, but this isn't the first time you've done this. I quite honestly find myself believing you do these things on purpose seeing as though you're the only one who engages in this kind of behavoir on OT. I'm just being straight up anout it.
If you don't want to respond to my posts...you don't have to do so. I've been quite respectful toward you. As for patterns.....they can be noticed about other users as well....just not mentioned.[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Who's attempting to persuade you of anything? Last I checked, you and I were not debating anything. As has happened on numerous occasions, you pulled out a statement I made, re-framed it to mean something entirely differently, then expected me to have a serious discussion about it.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I was on topic to what point I wanted to make about the post I quoted. And if one cannot respond the post...that is fine. But ad hominem attacks are not the way to persuade someone to one's side though they seem to occur with regularity.LJS9502_basic
Expecting me to not call you out is nothing short of amusing. Hell, perhaps I may have been a bit aggressive in my tone, but this isn't the first time you've done this. I quite honestly find myself believing you do these things on purpose seeing as though you're the only one who engages in this kind of behavoir on OT. I'm just being straight up anout it.
If you don't want to respond to my posts...you don't have to do so. I've been quite respectful toward you. As for patterns.....they can be noticed about other users as well....just not mentioned.The only patterns I'm seeing is the periods. God, what is up with that?:PI dunno know...always did that. But I wasn't referring to only this thread.The only patters I'm seeing is four periods. God, what is up with that?:P
Animatronic64
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Who's attempting to persuade you of anything? Last I checked, you and I were not debating anything. As has happened on numerous occasions, you pulled out a statement I made, re-framed it to mean something entirely differently, then expected me to have a serious discussion about it.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I was on topic to what point I wanted to make about the post I quoted. And if one cannot respond the post...that is fine. But ad hominem attacks are not the way to persuade someone to one's side though they seem to occur with regularity.LJS9502_basic
Expecting me to not call you out is nothing short of amusing. Hell, perhaps I may have been a bit aggressive in my tone, but this isn't the first time you've done this. I quite honestly find myself believing you do these things on purpose seeing as though you're the only one who engages in this kind of behavoir on OT. I'm just being straight up anout it.
If you don't want to respond to my posts...you don't have to do so. I've been quite respectful toward you. As for patterns.....they can be noticed about other users as well....just not mentioned.I feel quite content in responding actually, perhaps not with the content that you expect.
It is disrespectful and I find it a double standard that GS allows those pictures but not pictures of Mohammend. And I don't like double standards.Third this. Mods, either delete the pictures of Buddy Christ or allow pictures of Mohammad. You can't have it both ways.[QUOTE="iowastate"]
Jesus would appreciate this.
I really dislike the Buddy Christ and think it is disrespectful.
but then I never understod the appeal of George Carlin either.
anyone can curse and that was the majority of his humour.
as far as Christianity is concerned this is on a par with those Mohammed cartoons that raised such a fuss.
but then Christians have never started a war over a minor insult.
LJS9502_basic
Fighting hate with hate. Talk about a really stupid proposition. It's a shame that they get this much press.
One thing about this thread is that when one talks of say burning a bible or making disrespectful art against Christianity....most of the posts are that it's freedom of speech...which I agree with. Why is different when it's a Koran or the Islam religion? I agree with you there. Certainly people have the right to burn the bible or the koran per the law. I just think that it's disrespectful and would hope that people would show more care in those regards. I don't agree with a lot of the religous dogma of islam, but I'm not going to be insulting to its practitioners. But likewise with christianity. There does seem to be a large contingent on this site that thinks its fun to ridicule that religion and its followers.A mockery? Okay, maybe Raptor Jesus is a mockery, but Buddy Christ sure as hell isn't. Animatronic64:roll: Do you not think it's disrespectful to Christians to see the man they worship be depicted as someone who winks while grinning? They may not kill people to show their annoyance, but they would definitely find it disrespectful.
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