Columbia University student survives...HELL.

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"][QUOTE="Xeros606"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Xeros606"]i really dont like being one of the apathetic a-holes, but **** happens. i dont really care.Xeros606

obviously you do care about something. maybe you just need more attention than you're getting at home or something, so you think coming in here and voicing apathy will get it.

i guess what i wanted to say was that while i feel sorry for the victim, i dont care that someone got raped again, and that i dont want to hear about it. posting it here is pretty useless since people get raped all the time and posting about it here is just gonna make threads like this where people go "zomg thats sick!" or "lul did he drop gud lewt?" i dont usually post in these threads but i guess im just getting sick of reading them.

I'm sorry, did you forget to mention the part where someone forced you to read this thread at gunpoint?

what im trying to say is that these rape/theft/murder threads are starting to become like religion threads, where people spew the same comments. im just trying to voice my opinion about these types of threads.

nevermind, ill just continue ignoring these threads.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

No, that's EXACTLY what he is saying. If you say that being raped is worse than being murdered, that is the EXACT SAME THING as saying to a rape victim that they should have been killed instead.

ElZilcho90

Since you obviously glossed over my response to your exaggerated accusation during another bout of bombastic self-righteousness, I'll just repost it here:

For some, it would be better. Tell me, would you rather be shot and killed instantly or raped and tortured over a 19 hour period and then left alive? Frankly, I'd pick the former.

Does it tire you out, jumping to conclusions all night like that?

ElZilcho90

Depends on when you ask me. If you ask me before it happens, I'd probably choose the former. Ask me afterwards, and I'll probably choose the latter.

Of course, that's all speculation, since it's pretty hard to accurately say how you'd feel in such a situation without ever being in such a situation. So we're both in the position where each of us says "well, I'd prefer THIS", and both of our answers are made out of blind ignorance, with us choosing the answer that best corresponds to whether or not we want people to die.

And I ignored that part of your post for that exact reason. I'm not going to get into that kind of stupid guessing game. Rape/torture victims who feel blessed that they are alive can still live. And rape/torture victims who wish they had died can still die. But the bottom line is that they still have the CHOICE of what to do with their lives, something NOT afforded to murder victims.

I can definitely see your point. It just feels like a crime as heinous and sickening as this, at the very least, ranks up there with the crime of murder. I know many rape victims work towards coping with the trauma, moving forwards with their lives, Oprah being a cardinal example. But it seems in a case as horrific as this, living after such a terrrible experience seems a fate worse than death, though this is only speculation as I've never (thank God) had to experience something like what this woman went through.

As far as punishment for this man goes? You may not agree with it, for whatever your personal reasons may be, but I believe such a person deserves nothing but death.

Fair enough.

And since you were fair with me, I'll be fair with you. I also see your point. It's just that I think that your point is too influenced by emotion, and I feel that emotion has no place when determining whether or not anyone should be killed. I think that as soon as you start WANTING someone to die, your emotions have become strong enough that you should no longer have ANY say in the matter. IMO, the decision to kill should NEVER be taken lightly, and should NEVER be done out of emotions such as revulsion or hatred. Once those emotions appear, you remove all impartiality, and I believe that killing should ONLY be done by impartial people who can present a cold, logical reason why it must be done.

That's my objection to capital punishment, ESPECIALLY cases in which the killer is not on trial for killing.

Also, let me also state that I was unfair to imply that those who support the death penalty are sick, murder-mongering monsters. I UNDERSTAND why you guys want people to die, you're just wrong. But that really doesn't NECESSARILY make you evil.

In prison, convicts don't like child molesters, rapists, etc., so I have a feeling he'll be looking behind his back, literally.

That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.SunofVich

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.tb254

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

In prison, convicts don't like child molesters, rapists, etc., so I have a feeling he'll be looking behind his back, literally.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="Xeros606"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"][QUOTE="Xeros606"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Xeros606"]i really dont like being one of the apathetic a-holes, but **** happens. i dont really care.-Twilight-

obviously you do care about something. maybe you just need more attention than you're getting at home or something, so you think coming in here and voicing apathy will get it.

i guess what i wanted to say was that while i feel sorry for the victim, i dont care that someone got raped again, and that i dont want to hear about it. posting it here is pretty useless since people get raped all the time and posting about it here is just gonna make threads like this where people go "zomg thats sick!" or "lul did he drop gud lewt?" i dont usually post in these threads but i guess im just getting sick of reading them.

I'm sorry, did you forget to mention the part where someone forced you to read this thread at gunpoint?

what im trying to say is that these rape/theft/murder threads are starting to become like religion threads, where people spew the same comments. im just trying to voice my opinion about these types of threads.

nevermind, ill just continue ignoring these threads.

[QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.ReverseCycology

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.Bulldog19892

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

100% agreed.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.Bulldog19892

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

yeah thats it :lol:

[QUOTE="Bulldog19892"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.SunofVich

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

yeah thats it :lol:

So that's what you think, well than you might not want to be alone or without a gun in your house tomorrow.

[QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.ReverseCycology

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

You'd be surprised how...'creative' people can get when it involves bodily harm to an individual they despise.

For instance, there was one person, a convicted child rapist/murderer, that I would have shot in the stomach with a .45, tied him up in a burlap bag, bludgeoned him with a small sledge-hammer while he was tied up inside said burlap bag, tossed him into a van, and have him thrown out of said van whilst going 40mph out in the middle of nowhere, leaving him to die.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.Verge_6

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

You'd be surprised how...'creative' people can get when it involves bodily harm to an individual they despise.

For instance, there was one person, a convicted child rapist/murderer, that I would have shot in the stomach with a .45, tied him up in a burlap bag, bludgeoned him with a small sledge-hammer while he was tied up inside said burlap bag, tossed him into a van, and have him thrown out of said van whilst going 40mph out in the middle of nowhere, leaving him to die.

I would just pretend to be his barber and use a shaving razor.

i really dont like being one of the apathetic a-holes, but **** happens. i dont really care. this doesnt affect me in the slightest. really, i dont see how this is even news. people get raped all the time, and unless theres a serial rapist/killer, i dont know why we (teh ppl) need to know. anyways, i hope justice gets served and the woman survives, but i still dont think i really needed to know about this.Xeros606

ya and how many people get raped for 19 hrs, get drenched in boiling water, bleached,tied, beaten, and have their eyelids cut off all in the same night? honestly your post was so "a'pathetic'" and not necessary at all. Grow a heart and stop trying to act cool about a situation that you have never dealt with. WTF is wrong with you?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.ReverseCycology

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

You'd be surprised how...'creative' people can get when it involves bodily harm to an individual they despise.

For instance, there was one person, a convicted child rapist/murderer, that I would have shot in the stomach with a .45, tied him up in a burlap bag, bludgeoned him with a small sledge-hammer while he was tied up inside said burlap bag, tossed him into a van, and have him thrown out of said van whilst going 40mph out in the middle of nowhere, leaving him to die.

I would just pretend to be his barber and use a shaving razor.

Would you then install a hydraulic chair that conveniently dumps the bodies into an incinerator.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="tb254"]

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]That guy needs a very slow and very excruciatingly painful death. He needs to be beaten to the brink of death and then healed back up and beaten again. And then slowly submerge him into some buring hot oil. And then treat his burns and get him healed back up. Then slowly submerge him into magma to finish this pathetic excuse for a human being off.Verge_6

Agreed but you left out gouging his eyes out, and filling his ears, and mouth with super glue, so he has no mouth and must scream.

You guys sounds like you're capable in doing more horrible things than that guy.

You'd be surprised how...'creative' people can get when it involves bodily harm to an individual they despise.

For instance, there was one person, a convicted child rapist/murderer, that I would have shot in the stomach with a .45, tied him up in a burlap bag, bludgeoned him with a small sledge-hammer while he was tied up inside said burlap bag, tossed him into a van, and have him thrown out of said van whilst going 40mph out in the middle of nowhere, leaving him to die.

impressive.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Reminds me of that death penalty thread I posted in a little while ago. This, my friends, is what justifies the death penalty in my opinion. There are simply no words to describe how ghastly that crime was.MrGeezer

You support killing people as a punishment for NOT killing people?

it's obvious what he means and why he'd say it in regards to this case. dodn't make an argument just for something to do. go read a book.

Yeah, having a moral objection to revenge murders is "making an argument just for something to do."

:roll:

I hope your not one of those peoples who thinks "Life Sentances" are enough punishment for people like this. There's this thing in the US called the "Fair and Ethical treatment of prisoners". All pirsons, even Max Security Federal Prisons provide good warm and healthy food, cable television, and exercise every day. All of the gaurds are required to monitor all prisoners to ensure the safety and health of all prisoners present and are put under investigation frequently to make sure they uphold this responsibility. Some Prisons can even have pool tables in a prisoner lobby and allow prisoners to have a deck of cards for entertainment, alongside their television privelages.

Someone who performs this kind of act, who does something to a woman that can only be considered worse than death, and someone who can not be rehabilitated or brought back into the public, does not deserve to live off the american tax dollar, period. It's a waste of money and resources, and if anything this should be motivation for quick, easy, and cheap executions for quick open and shut cases like these where the guilt of the presecuted is obvious and heavily evident far beyond what's considered "Beyond a reasonable doubt".

He should be executed, removed from society, denied his right to live. And believe me, it is truly more of a punishment than life, look at all those old prison interviews, any prisoner on Death Row will tell you they'd much prefer a life sentance, and fear the coming doom. That is much what this guy deserves, The fear and inevitability of having his right to life removed summarily.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Reminds me of that death penalty thread I posted in a little while ago. This, my friends, is what justifies the death penalty in my opinion. There are simply no words to describe how ghastly that crime was.Dreams-Visions

..and I'm not interested in supporting his 3 squares of hot meals, excercise and television on my tax dollars.

It's a well known fact that the death penalty process costs more taxpayer money than a sentence of life in prison. There are several mandatory appeals that must occur before the death penalty is actually given out, and all of the inverstigations, lawyers, judges, and prosecutors are paid for with our tax dollars.

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I don't know what to say.. urgh...

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Reminds me of that death penalty thread I posted in a little while ago. This, my friends, is what justifies the death penalty in my opinion. There are simply no words to describe how ghastly that crime was.Tolwan

You support killing people as a punishment for NOT killing people?

it's obvious what he means and why he'd say it in regards to this case. dodn't make an argument just for something to do. go read a book.

Yeah, having a moral objection to revenge murders is "making an argument just for something to do."

:roll:

I hope your not one of those peoples who thinks "Life Sentances" are enough punishment for people like this. There's this thing in the US called the "Fair and Ethical treatment of prisoners". All pirsons, even Max Security Federal Prisons provide good warm and healthy food, cable television, and exercise every day. All of the gaurds are required to monitor all prisoners to ensure the safety and health of all prisoners present and are put under investigation frequently to make sure they uphold this responsibility. Some Prisons can even have pool tables in a prisoner lobby and allow prisoners to have a deck of cards for entertainment, alongside their television privelages.

Someone who performs this kind of act, who does something to a woman that can only be considered worse than death, and someone who can not be rehabilitated or brought back into the public, does not deserve to live off the american tax dollar, period. It's a waste of money and resources, and if anything this should be motivation for quick, easy, and cheap executions for quick open and shut cases like these where the guilt of the presecuted is obvious and heavily evident far beyond what's considered "Beyond a reasonable doubt".

He should be executed, removed from society, denied his right to live. And believe me, it is truly more of a punishment than life, look at all those old prison interviews, any prisoner on Death Row will tell you they'd much prefer a life sentance, and fear the coming doom. That is much what this guy deserves, The fear and inevitability of having his right to life removed summarily.

First of all, the process of sentencing someone to the death penalty actually costs more than sending someone to prison for life in the US.

Secondly, I don't believe that anyone has the right to decide whether another person should die, or when another person will die. Thus, I'm against the death penalty. I'm in no way, shape, or form condoning what that man did, or defending him - I'm just saying that we don't have the right to take someone else's life away. Every one sins, and regardless of the magnitude, every one should have the opportunity to repent their sins, and be given a second chance to change their ways and recognize the evils of their past. We don't have the right to judge others, that is God's right and His alone.

Upon reading this, I too, like many others, wanted this man to suffer for the indespicable acts that he did. But, I thought about for a while, and came to this conclusion. Who am I, a sinner, to say that this man deserves to die, and should not be given another chance? Would it be fair that we get a chance to repent and change our sinful ways, while this man does not? No, it's not fair. I'm not equating the sins of this man to the sins of anyone else - all I'm saying is that you can't judge another man unless you yourself are sinless. God is the only being who is sinless, and thus He is the only one who has the right to judge others.

Like it or not, God does not wish that sinners die (meaning go to hell), but rather that they return to Him and live (meaning go to heaven). Some of you will respond by saying something along the lines of "so you're all this guy has to do is apologize and he will be forgiven/can go to heaven." No, that's not how it goes. Repentance is a life-long struggle and resistance to sin, and that's only one of many requirements for someone to go to heaven according to the Bible. It's not as easy as many of you think it is.

Also, I read a lot of responses of people wanting to torture this man who also claim that he is sick and disgusting. If you want to do worse things than what he did, how can you possibly claim to be any better than he is. It is both ridiculous and ironic to think that you have the right to judge him when you want to inflict worse pain on him than he did to that woman.

Speaking of the woman, I'm sorry for her that she had to suffer so much, but I'm glad that she is still alive. Suicide is essentially an automatic ticket to hell so I'm glad she was unsucessful in her attempt at suicide. Hell is much worse than living a traumatized life - it's much worse than any earthly punishment for that matter. Anyway, I hope she'll be able to overcome any trauma she may have through God's grace.

and yet people are more worried about putting 2 15 year olds in jail for roasting a cat.. GOOD JOB AMERICA! if i was the girl's father, husband, boyfriend, or brother, i would've killed that sick freaks mother and mailed her head to him.GUNpoint_

People who roast cats and enjoy it when they're 15 year olds have the distinct potential of moving onto torturing humans later in life. As for your idea of murdering the guy's mother... wow. I guess she told him to rape and torture this girl, right?

The way some peoples' minds work just doesn't make any sense to me.

i think an extensive psychological evaluation & appropriate treatment would be a lot more useful to the boys rather then having them in jail, where they'd be surrounded in a world of violence, rape, & despair. once they're out of jail, they'll be even more bitter at the world, making them even bigger threats to society. look at that sick freak for example, he served in prison before, but he still did that horrible crime. GUNpoint_

So you condone a slap on the wrists punishment for this torture crime simply because the victim was a cat? And you blame prison life for this rapist's behaviour, yet are willing to torture and execute him nonetheless? Again, I just don't understand how some peoples' minds work. Sure, the boys need psychological help. But they also need consequences, since they are clearly incapable of NOT cooking a cat to death and laughing about it on moral grounds alone...

People who claim that this man deserves tortue himself I doubt would be able to perform it themselves, they just think he deserves it as do I. There is no excuse for punishing another human being in the way he did to that woman. For me death is the only punishment that can come close to being right for this crime...wigan_gamer

The ability to actually perform the act of torturing him doesn't matter - wanting to have him tortured is just as bad.

Imagine that you did something bad and someone else thought that you deserved the death penalty when you didn't. What would you're reaction be if you're life was left up to that person's decision? This is the same situation as any time the death penalty is involved.

As far as punishment for this man goes? You may not agree with it, for whatever your personal reasons may be, but I believe such a person deserves nothing but death.

ElZilcho90

Whether by another person, disease, or the relentless march of time, he'll get it (as will all of us). In the end, speeding up the process isn't going to accomplish a whole lot.... unless you really like funding expensive trials with your tax dollars. He's not getting anything less than life in prison. Frankly, I'd find life in a cage much worse than death.

Instant death setence. Too bad that can't happen. But if it could, this is the kind of crap a properly run death sentence could be used for.lostantix

I disagree, did he let her die? He must suffer like she did, the punishment should fit the crime. Strap him down for 19 years instead of 19hrs and have him go through what she did. Then you can kill him. Done, justice has just been served.

Yea but if there is strong evidence showing that they did commit the crime, then surely this is enough to have him/her sentanced to death. IF I ever did something like this then yea I would accept I deserve to be killed there is no excuse for what he did.wigan_gamer

That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm saying is that regardless of the situation, the action, or the evidence, we have no right to sentence someone to death because we, too, are sinners. Of course you don't want this person living freely in society, but that's what prison is for.

And you apparently misunderstood the second part of my post. Suppose you did something that, at the time, you didn't think was deserving of the death penalty. However, someone else thinks that you deserve to die for what you did, and that person gets to decide if you live or die. How would you react?

The point of this is to say that who knows whether or not that person was thinking clearly or what he was thinking when he did those things to that woman. All of us make mistakes, and it's not fair to leave the decision of life or death up to others, especially people who make mistakes themselves. Sure we can and should remove them from society until they are mentally healthy - but God is the only person who has the right to make life or death decisions, especially because He is all-knowing and unbiased unlike we are.

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

As far as punishment for this man goes? You may not agree with it, for whatever your personal reasons may be, but I believe such a person deserves nothing but death.

pianist

Whether by another person, disease, or the relentless march of time, he'll get it (as will all of us). In the end, speeding up the process isn't going to accomplish a whole lot.... unless you really like funding expensive trials with your tax dollars. He's not getting anything less than life in prison. Frankly, I'd find life in a cage much worse than death.

And who's to say that this person won't realize his mistakes and change his ways for the rest of his life. Sentencing him, or anyone else to the death sentence is denying that person a chance to change his/her ways, which is something that no man or woman should have the right to do, but only God.

If he does change his ways and resists sin, he'll be forced to live the rest of his life with the guilt of what he did, and if he doesn't change and continues to sin, then he'll end up in Hell. Either way, he'll pay consequences for his actions, whether it's a lifetime of guilt or an eternity of suffering in Hell.

[QUOTE="lostantix"]Instant death setence. Too bad that can't happen. But if it could, this is the kind of crap a properly run death sentence could be used for.pancreasjuice

I disagree, did he let her die? He must suffer like she did, the punishment should fit the crime. Strap him down for 19 years instead of 19hrs and have him go through what she did. Then you can kill him. Done, justice has just been served.

I agree with this method.

[QUOTE="pancreasjuice"]

[QUOTE="lostantix"]Instant death setence. Too bad that can't happen. But if it could, this is the kind of crap a properly run death sentence could be used for.omfg_its_dally

I disagree, did he let her die? He must suffer like she did, the punishment should fit the crime. Strap him down for 19 years instead of 19hrs and have him go through what she did. Then you can kill him. Done, justice has just been served.

I agree with this method.

Anyone who agrees with this is just as bad, if not, worse than that man is. :| How can anyone who agrees with this claim to be any better than that guy is? :?

I was eating when I opened the thread and after the first 3 paragraphs I couldn't continue eating. That story made me feel physically sick...

I really can't understand how someone could do something like that...I hope he suffers every day of his life.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Reminds me of that death penalty thread I posted in a little while ago. This, my friends, is what justifies the death penalty in my opinion. There are simply no words to describe how ghastly that crime was.MrGeezer

You support killing people as a punishment for NOT killing people?

I think torturing someone is MUCH worse than killing them :|

I was eating when I opened the thread and after the first 3 paragraphs I couldn't continue eating. That story made me feel physically sick...

I really can't understand how someone could do something like that...I hope he suffers every day of his life.

DrSponge

Wishing for someone else to suffer makes you no different from that man. Sure, what he did was horrible and despicable, but wanting for him to suffer puts you on the same level as he is. It's sad that the girl had to suffer so much, but the reaction of wanting the man to die or suffer makes you no better than he is. He must be imprisoned until he is healthy and stable enough mentally to be let out (which may never happen). Trust me, regardless of we as society decide to do with this man, he will pay consequences for his actions (read my post at the top of this page for an explanation). However, deciding to sentence him to suffer or to die is never the right course of action.

Just kill him off...

No, that's EXACTLY what he is saying. If you say that being raped is worse than being murdered, that is the EXACT SAME THING as saying to a rape victim that they should have been killed instead.

MrGeezer

She wasn't only raped, she was tortured. Would you choose to gouge your eyes out or would you want to die?