Congressman Weiner to resign

Not gonna argue with his resignation because it's probably well-warranted, but it's pretty ironic that you just described 75% of Congress. :lol:Maniacc1

And when they get caught in conduct unbecoming, I'll ask for their resignation as well.

politics and judgement should end at the bedroom door. while posting a picture of his groin may have been in poor taste i fail to see how this dirties his character, unless you hold people to some sort of unassailable standard.

Firebird-5

It's not about what he did, really, though one can argue the chance for blackmail is pretty high. It's about the lies he threw out when this all hit the media.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]My thoughts: He made a human mistake.airshocker

He LIED to EVERYONE about it for a solid week. I can understand the sexting and pictures and everything, but he shouldn't have lied. If he had just admitted it I doubt this would have happened.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

politics and judgement should end at the bedroom door. while posting a picture of his groin may have been in poor taste i fail to see how this dirties his character, unless you hold people to some sort of unassailable standard.

airshocker

It's not about what he did, really, though one can argue the chance for blackmail is pretty high. It's about the lies he threw out when this all hit the media.

the public really have no business caring about what he does in his private life

He lied to everyone about something that was none of their damn business in the first place. To me, there needs to be a dividing line about what sort of sex scandal should have consequences beyond simply facing the voters. I would have them fall into two categories: Category Number 1: You should resign or be removed from office. You've broken laws with your sex scandal (David Vitter or Eliot Spitzer) You've misused taxpayer funds in some way over your sex scandal (Mark Samford) You're presented yourself as a moral paragon and have gone after others on moral grounds before (Larry Craig, Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley) Category Number 2: You should face the voters at next election and let them decide (and of course your husband/wife and family) No laws broken No taxpayer funds misused No hypocrisy NO ACTUAL SEXnocoolnamejim

His ENTIRE TIME in Congress is tax-payer funded. So if he's sexting while at work, which is very likely considering the pictures he took were at work, then that makes it my business.

I see what you're saying, but he lied to us about it. That's the biggest thing that bothers me.

the public really have no business caring about what he does in his private life

Firebird-5

Yes we do, if he's doing this stuff while he's on our dime. WHICH IS ALL THE TIME.

Either way, he shouldn't have lied.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

the public really have no business caring about what he does in his private life

airshocker

Yes we do, if he's doing this stuff while he's on our dime. WHICH IS ALL THE TIME.

Either way, he shouldn't have lied.

it is quite possibly the most benign form of lying i have ever encountered: he merely wanted to save himself from public embarassment. now, all of a sudden, he's an evil monster eating taxpayer dollars and lying about everything.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

You can rest easy now.

All the liars are out of congress.

airshocker

He lied to our faces on national television, and expected us to buy his story. He's an arrogant, narcissistic. scumbag who deserves everything that's come to him.

Why did he have lie in the first place?

Think about it, we put a man on trial for what he does in the personal life, meanwhile a man like Charlie Rangel who scams the government out of money for his own personal use continues to keep his office in congress? He's tens time more dishonest than Anthony Weiner but because Americans hate SEX and the human body so much, they persecute and individual to the end of the earth for his own human instincts.

You can't stop human beings from lying, so getting on Anthoney wiener is pointless, but we can do something about demonizing people for what they do in their personal lives simply because it doesn't match hypocritical christian moral behavior?

it is quite possibly the most benign form of lying i have ever encountered: he merely wanted to save himself from public embarassment. now, all of a sudden, he's an evil monster eating taxpayer dollars and lying about everything.

Firebird-5

A lie is a lie. What would he have done if some lady tried to blackmail him instead? Obviously he cares more about keeping his job than telling the truth.

And those are your words, not mine. I just think he's a scumbag.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

it is quite possibly the most benign form of lying i have ever encountered: he merely wanted to save himself from public embarassment. now, all of a sudden, he's an evil monster eating taxpayer dollars and lying about everything.

airshocker

A lie is a lie. What would he have done if some lady tried to blackmail him instead? Obviously he cares more about keeping his job than telling the truth.

And those are your words, not mine. I just think he's a scumbag.

obviously not seeing as he resigned. why would anyone want to have some dead end job surrounded by people who hate you? oh wait

by your standards the us shouldn't have any form of government

Why did he have lie in the first place?

Think about it, we put a man on trial for what he does in the personal life, meanwhile a man like Charlie Rangel who scams the government out of money for his own personal use continues to keep his office in congress? He's tens time more dishonest than Anthony Weiner but because Americans hate SEX and the human body so much, they persecute and individual to the end of the earth for his own human instincts.

You can't stop human beings from lying, so getting on Anthoney wiener is pointless, but we can do something about demonizing people for what they do in their personal lives simply because it doesn't match hypocritical christian moral behavior?

Blue-Sky

Um, I wanted Rangel to resign? I think he's as corrupt as they come.

I don't really care what he does in his personal life so long as it has no chance of affecting his job performance and so long as he does this on his personal time.

I don't believe in anything else you said, since this really has nothing to do with Christian values, to me.

obviously not seeing as he resigned. why would anyone want to have some dead end job surrounded by people who hate you? oh wait

by your standards the us shouldn't have any form of government

Firebird-5

You're not making any sense. :|

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]He lied to everyone about something that was none of their damn business in the first place. To me, there needs to be a dividing line about what sort of sex scandal should have consequences beyond simply facing the voters. I would have them fall into two categories: Category Number 1: You should resign or be removed from office. You've broken laws with your sex scandal (David Vitter or Eliot Spitzer) You've misused taxpayer funds in some way over your sex scandal (Mark Samford) You're presented yourself as a moral paragon and have gone after others on moral grounds before (Larry Craig, Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley) Category Number 2: You should face the voters at next election and let them decide (and of course your husband/wife and family) No laws broken No taxpayer funds misused No hypocrisy NO ACTUAL SEXairshocker

His ENTIRE TIME in Congress is tax-payer funded. So if he's sexting while at work, which is very likely considering the pictures he took were at work, then that makes it my business.

I see what you're saying, but he lied to us about it. That's the biggest thing that bothers me.

No offense but, come on now. You're falling back he sexted while on the clock and then lied about it? He sent a text message on private business during his 9-5 shift on the hill and based on that he should resign? Given the things that a number of current Republican officials have done and not being called to resign for that's some pretty weak sauce IMO.



Just to prove a point, before I hit send on this I'm going to open up another browser window and surf to the first porn site that I can find. I will be doing it on my home computer and not my work laptop that I'm neglecting at the moment that's sitting right beside of me that is the property of the company that employees me. In the event that I'm ever asked about whether I surfed or viewed porn during working hours you can bet your ass I'm going to lie and say "no".nocoolnamejim

I believe I already said why he should resign: Because he lied. You asserted it shouldn't be our business, I think it should since we pay for his salary.

You may have no standards for your elected officials. I do, though.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

obviously not seeing as he resigned. why would anyone want to have some dead end job surrounded by people who hate you? oh wait

by your standards the us shouldn't have any form of government

airshocker

You're not making any sense. :|

i'm making perfect sense. you're just blowing this whole thing up way out of proportion. it's as if politicians can't have lives

i'm making perfect sense. you're just blowing this whole thing up way out of proportion. it's as if politicians can't have lives

Firebird-5

No you really aren't.

Politicians can have lives. They just can't do certain things while they work.

I couldn't look at porn while on-duty, or have my cell-phone. Why should he? Why should I be held to a higher standard than him?

I don't like him personally. But I think the public in general shouldn't care about politicians' personal lives. To me, its the same about caring celebrities personal lives. Who honestly cares who cheats on who? Is it going to ruin your personal life?

If its not directly affecting the work he does as a congressman, the general public has no reason to care. But thats me. The media blew this story out of proportion, as usual.

And honestly, anything Pelosi or Reed says I would take with a grain of salt at best.

KamuiFei

Thank you. 100% true.

You may have no standards for your elected officials. I do, though.

airshocker

Really? I didn't see you calling for the resignations of any of the people on this list.nocoolnamejim

I'm sorry, are you my wife? Amanda, is that you?

If not, how do you know who and who I don't call to resign? Ensign, Sanford and Foley are the only ones that come to mind, recently of Republicans I think should have resigned.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

i'm making perfect sense. you're just blowing this whole thing up way out of proportion. it's as if politicians can't have lives

airshocker

No you really aren't.

Politicians can have lives. They just can't do certain things while they work.

I couldn't look at porn while on-duty, or have my cell-phone. Why should he? Why should I be held to a higher standard than him?

while i agree there should be certain standards of behavoir at work, my main problem is that you hold all politicians to impossible standards and expect them to be fired as soon as they step out of line. i'd make a point about compassion, humility, and the sheer mundane nature of it but i suspect you wouldn't care

he shouldn't resign. he should talk to to the republicans as they are masters of sex scadal pr spinning

This is the problem with America. We are more concerned about whether or not Obama is a US citizen and about how Weiner showed his Weiner than about actual problems, like fixing the economy.

This is the problem with America. We are more concerned about whether or not Obama is a US citizen and about how Weiner showed his Weiner than about actual problems, like fixing the economy.

Tokugawa77

and when you are focused on real problems it's usually like the chicken scene from Rebel Without a Cause

This is the problem with America. We are more concerned about whether or not Obama is a US citizen and about how Weiner showed his Weiner than about actual problems, like fixing the economy.

Tokugawa77

while i agree there should be certain standards of behavoir at work, my main problem is that you hold all politicians to impossible standards and expect them to be fired as soon as they step out of line. i'd make a point about compassion, humility, and the sheer mundane nature of it but i suspect you wouldn't care

Firebird-5

Yes, because expecting our congressional leaders not to lie to us is such a high-expectation. :roll:

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

while i agree there should be certain standards of behavoir at work, my main problem is that you hold all politicians to impossible standards and expect them to be fired as soon as they step out of line. i'd make a point about compassion, humility, and the sheer mundane nature of it but i suspect you wouldn't care

airshocker

Yes, because expecting our congressional leaders not to lie to us is such a high-expectation. :roll:

i guess my suspicions were right. either way i have already addressed this point

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

1. He's a representative of the US Congress.

2. He's married.

3. He's married to a high-ranking advisor for the Secretay of State.

The court of public opinion finds Mr. Weiner GUILTY.

And public opinion determines the fate of ALL politicians.

sonicare

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Really? I didn't see you calling for the resignations of any of the people on this list.airshocker

I'm sorry, are you my wife? Amanda, is that you?

If not, how do you know who and who I don't call to resign? Ensign, Sanford and Foley are the only ones that come to mind, recently of Republicans I think should have resigned.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

This is the problem with America. We are more concerned about whether or not Obama is a US citizen and about how Weiner showed his Weiner than about actual problems, like fixing the economy.

Omni-Slash

If I turn on the news I bet you that I will see a story about some political or celebrity gossip, not about actual news.

i guess my suspicions were right. either way i have already addressed this point

Firebird-5

There is nothing mundane about lying to us. You'd sing a very different song if this was a Republican in the hotseat.

You'd sing a very different song if this was a Republican in the hotseat.

airshocker

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

i guess my suspicions were right. either way i have already addressed this point

airshocker

There is nothing mundane about lying to us. You'd sing a very different song if this was a Republican in the hotseat.

not really. i simply come from another world where i understand and can sympathise

Really? I didn't see you calling for the resignations of any of the people on this list.nocoolnamejim

I'm sorry, are you my wife? Amanda, is that you?

If not, how do you know who and who I don't call to resign? Ensign, Sanford and Foley are the only ones that come to mind, recently of Republicans I think should have resigned.

If I turn on the news I bet you that I will see a story about some political or celebrity gossip, not about actual news.

Tokugawa77

No I'm not your wife. I'm the guy pointing out that at the time of those scandals you weren't making post after post talking about how they lied and have to go. What about David Vitter? Married, champion of good family values and, apparently, likes to hire prostitutes illegally to dress him up in a diaper and spank him. Currently serving as the Respected Junior Senator of Louisiana after NOT being called to resign by Republican Leadership and running for reelection. (And winning.) Or how about Mark Foley scandal? Boehner and Hastert knew about it for weeks and tried to help cover it up. Don't hear you calling for Boehner to resign. Or Mark Samford? Used taxpayer money to fly to Argentina to "Hike the Appalachian Trail" with his love squeeze. Just about anything you can find on that list is WAY worse than what Weiner did.nocoolnamejim

Sorry, I sometimes have a life. I didn't know I was required to post on GS in condemnation to every Republican who did something wrong. Perhaps you should put that in the TOU, to make it clear for everyone.

None of that changes the fact that Weiner lied and is leaving for it. So I'm a happy camper either way. Just further reinforces my belief that some liberals on OT are so completely biased they can't see the wrong in what their party leaders do.

not really. i simply come from another world where i understand and can sympathise

Firebird-5

Doubtful. :)

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

If I turn on the news I bet you that I will see a story about some political or celebrity gossip, not about actual news.

Omni-Slash

That is my point entirely, and its something that I believe has no place in politics.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

not really. i simply come from another world where i understand and can sympathise

airshocker

Doubtful. :)

i feel honored to join congressman weiner in the exclusive club, 'judged by airshocker'

That is my point entirely, and its something that I believe has no place in politics.

Tokugawa77

i feel honored to join congressman weiner in the exclusive club, 'judged by airshocker'

Firebird-5

Make sure you add everyone else in the country. I'm not alone. :)

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]No I'm not your wife. I'm the guy pointing out that at the time of those scandals you weren't making post after post talking about how they lied and have to go. What about David Vitter? Married, champion of good family values and, apparently, likes to hire prostitutes illegally to dress him up in a diaper and spank him. Currently serving as the Respected Junior Senator of Louisiana after NOT being called to resign by Republican Leadership and running for reelection. (And winning.) Or how about Mark Foley scandal? Boehner and Hastert knew about it for weeks and tried to help cover it up. Don't hear you calling for Boehner to resign. Or Mark Samford? Used taxpayer money to fly to Argentina to "Hike the Appalachian Trail" with his love squeeze. Just about anything you can find on that list is WAY worse than what Weiner did.airshocker

Sorry, I sometimes have a life. I didn't know I was required to post on GS in condemnation to every Republican who did something wrong. Perhaps you should put that in the TOU, to make it clear for everyone.

None of that changes the fact that Weiner lied and is leaving for it. So I'm a happy camper either way. Just further reinforces my belief that some liberals on OT are so completely biased they can't see the wrong in what their party leaders do.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]No I'm not your wife. I'm the guy pointing out that at the time of those scandals you weren't making post after post talking about how they lied and have to go. What about David Vitter? Married, champion of good family values and, apparently, likes to hire prostitutes illegally to dress him up in a diaper and spank him. Currently serving as the Respected Junior Senator of Louisiana after NOT being called to resign by Republican Leadership and running for reelection. (And winning.) Or how about Mark Foley scandal? Boehner and Hastert knew about it for weeks and tried to help cover it up. Don't hear you calling for Boehner to resign. Or Mark Samford? Used taxpayer money to fly to Argentina to "Hike the Appalachian Trail" with his love squeeze. Just about anything you can find on that list is WAY worse than what Weiner did.nocoolnamejim

Sorry, I sometimes have a life. I didn't know I was required to post on GS in condemnation to every Republican who did something wrong. Perhaps you should put that in the TOU, to make it clear for everyone.

None of that changes the fact that Weiner lied and is leaving for it. So I'm a happy camper either way. Just further reinforces my belief that some liberals on OT are so completely biased they can't see the wrong in what their party leaders do.

looks like we found a new clubmember

The behavior..absolutely...but you're not going to get the press to back off....the press is going to report on what people want to hear..the only way to not have that happen is to not act like a lying PoS.....Omni-Slash

Fair enough. My point was only that the public should care less about these scandals. They have the actual Hollywood for that. In my opinion, the politician in question shouldn't be forced to resign, if public opinion has shifted that much against him it should show in teh next election. Simple as that, we don't need all this drama.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

i feel honored to join congressman weiner in the exclusive club, 'judged by airshocker'

airshocker

Make sure you add everyone else in the country. I'm not alone. :)

Fair enough. My point was only that the public should care less about these scandals. They have the actual Hollywood for that. In my opinion, the politician in question shouldn't be forced to resign, if public opinion has shifted that much against him it should show in teh next election. Simple as that, we don't need all this drama.

Tokugawa77