Court Upholds Religious School's Right to Expel Actively Lesbian Students

Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.

matenmoe

Its a private Lutheran school, they can really expell whoever they want and because the school is funded by private sectors. Thats what public school is for.

Religious freedom is a terrible excuse. Giving the school the freedom to deny a freedom.

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Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.

Famiking

They got caught busting the rules so they wouldn't have to be forced into schooling there? Okay, that i can see if mom and dad had forced them into it. Unfortunately the article didn't bother to tell us that part-only what they wanted us to see. (Use the media, but don't trust it)

Incidentally, I CHOSE to go to a private / religious high school. (A Co-Ed one, at that!) My parents recommended it to me-and they are both public school teachers with a religious faith (not bible thumpers about it however). They hated the way they saw the public school system falling apart around them back in the 1970's, and dad got a second job for my tuition when I made the choice. I won a scholarship to a non-private (or religious) college after being taught in that high school.

Why any homosexual would ever attend a Christian private school is beyond me. :?

RadBooley

[QUOTE="matenmoe"]

Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.

Famiking

I nearly attended a Catholic high school of my own free will. The only reason I didn't is because my discipline record was a mess (not necessarily my fault, long story) and the school would only accept me on probationary status (meaning that if I got in trouble once for anything I would be expelled). Indeed the only reason they said they had offered to accept me was because my academics were so impressive.

A lot of kids attend religious schools because they're often the best schools in the area. It also helps that in many cases they're rather moderate. Few are so hardcore religious that they'll expel you for, say, attending a girlfriend's prom.

Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.

matenmoe

[QUOTE="Famiking"]I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.ImaPirate0202

Because public schools can't freely teach subjects that private schools can.

I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.Famiking

tl;dr: religious schools were built to fight intolerance in public schools.

IMO there shouldnt be any religious schools. As you said they premote discrimination and imo religion is something to do in the home or church. You can learn objectivly in school but apart from that.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.MattUD1

tl;dr: religious schools were built to fight intolerance in public schools.

I dont get what your saying, so in order to premote 'americanisum' or somethin the schools became mainly protistant. But when the irish came over and got converted the catholic comunity tried to premote catholic schools.

How does that fight intolerance. You just make two sets of intolerent schools and go against what america was supposed to be in the first place which is a country with no religious discrimination.

seeing how its a religious school and not a public one its there rules to make not societies. Dont like it too bad dont go to a religous school, duh. :roll:

IMO there shouldnt be any religious schools. As you said they premote discrimination and imo religion is something to do in the home or church. You can learn objectivly in school but apart from that.

Wolls

If you dont want to go to one you dont have to go to one. However some people do

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IMO there shouldnt be any religious schools. As you said they premote discrimination and imo religion is something to do in the home or church. You can learn objectivly in school but apart from that.

WhenPicklezFly

If you dont want to go to one you dont have to go to one. However some people do

If they are completely self-funded than while i do not like it they should be allowed. However if they recieve any kind of state or federal funding or aid than in that case I think they should not be allowed to just call the shots like that.mattykovax

I agree mostly with this, but just a bit less.

I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.Famiking

As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with the courts decision. The rules and regulations of that school are private, and if homosexuality is under a zero tolerance policy, then so be it, they have the legal right of way. Hopefully the girls will go on to attend a school that can actually accept others for who they are instead of condemning them.

I agree with the ruling. Its a private school, not to mention Religious, they can enforce ruling's based on their beliefs. The students should have realized this before.

I agree with the ruling. Its a private school, not to mention Religious, they can enforce ruling's based on their beliefs. The students should have realized this before.

EVOLV3

I can understand how thinking youth sex is wrong, but expelling is a bit harsh. That being said, they are a private school so I see no legal reason against it. Also, I thought the Bible never specified lesbianism as a sin. They only specified males. :?Genetic_Code

As far as lesbianism goes, that would fall under the whole forbidden sexual immorality genre mentioned in Eph. 5:3.

I don't like what they did, but they are a private school. It is their right.

Ok I have a question to those with a better knowledge of American laws than mine, to what extent are private institutions allowed to do what they want? I'm pretty sure sexual discrimination is against the law, why are they allowed to do it just because it is private? I mean the bible also states to my knowledge that homosexuals should be put to death, now obviously they wouldn't be allowed to do that to their students just because it is their religion, so to what extent are private institutes allowed to what they want? Are private businesses also allowed to discriminate based on sex/race/sexuality etc?bean-with-bacon

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]Ok I have a question to those with a better knowledge of American laws than mine, to what extent are private institutions allowed to do what they want? I'm pretty sure sexual discrimination is against the law, why are they allowed to do it just because it is private? I mean the bible also states to my knowledge that homosexuals should be put to death, now obviously they wouldn't be allowed to do that to their students just because it is their religion, so to what extent are private institutes allowed to what they want? Are private businesses also allowed to discriminate based on sex/race/sexuality etc?ishoturface

[QUOTE="ishoturface"][QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]Ok I have a question to those with a better knowledge of American laws than mine, to what extent are private institutions allowed to do what they want? I'm pretty sure sexual discrimination is against the law, why are they allowed to do it just because it is private? I mean the bible also states to my knowledge that homosexuals should be put to death, now obviously they wouldn't be allowed to do that to their students just because it is their religion, so to what extent are private institutes allowed to what they want? Are private businesses also allowed to discriminate based on sex/race/sexuality etc?bean-with-bacon

A priviate school is a business since they accept payment (aka tuition) for their services (aka teachings).

But as long as this private school receives no federal or state funding, then I don't have a problem with the ruling.

I'd also like to know if this "religious" school has expelled students for premarital sex. My guess is no.

Ok I have a question to those with a better knowledge of American laws than mine, to what extent are private institutions allowed to do what they want? I'm pretty sure sexual discrimination is against the law, why are they allowed to do it just because it is private? I mean the bible also states to my knowledge that homosexuals should be put to death, now obviously they wouldn't be allowed to do that to their students just because it is their religion, so to what extent are private institutes allowed to what they want? Are private businesses also allowed to discriminate based on sex/race/sexuality etc?bean-with-bacon

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="ishoturface"]there is a such thing as freedom of religion here in america.. at least for the time being.. since a lot of american rights seem to be getting taken awayishoturface

I'd also like to know if this "religious" school has expelled students for premarital sex. My guess is no.

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]Ok I have a question to those with a better knowledge of American laws than mine, to what extent are private institutions allowed to do what they want? I'm pretty sure sexual discrimination is against the law, why are they allowed to do it just because it is private? I mean the bible also states to my knowledge that homosexuals should be put to death, now obviously they wouldn't be allowed to do that to their students just because it is their religion, so to what extent are private institutes allowed to what they want? Are private businesses also allowed to discriminate based on sex/race/sexuality etc?Genetic_Code

What people need to realise is that the Christian perspective of homosexuality is very different from the world's perspective it. The world see homosexuality as part of a person's identity that cannot be changed. Christianity sees homosexuality as a behaviour that can be difficult but possible to stop. It is seen, not as a person's identity, but as a sexual act similar to sex outside of marriage or adultry. You may or may not agree with this, but that is the Christian perspective.

Another thing that people need to realise is that a Christian school is different from a church. A church welcomes people from all walks of life (with the expectation that the people will stop living any anti-Christian lifestyle in due time). But a Christian school is designed for people who are already Christian or are part of a Christian family, for the purpose of teaching Christian values. Such a school would natually want to maintain a Christian atmosphere. However, that objective would be impossible to meet if they were obligated to accept people who do not conform to their teachings.

How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are obligated to accept people who have sex outside of marriage, commit adultry, commit homosexual acts, etc. with no intention of changing their ways? How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are forced by law to accept people of different religions? It has nothing to do with intolerance. It has to do with teaching Christian values and maintaining a Christian atmosphere.

What people need to realise is that the Christian perspective of homosexuality is very different from the world's perspective it. The world see homosexuality as part of a person's identity that cannot be changed. Christianity sees homosexuality as a behaviour that can be difficult but possible to stop. It is seen, not as a person's identity, but as a sexual act similar to sex outside of marriage or adultry. You may or may not agree with this, but that is the Christian perspective.

Another thing that people need to realise is that a Christian school is different from a church. A church welcomes people from all walks of life (with the expectation that the people will stop living any anti-Christian lifestyle in due time). But a Christian school is designed for people who are already Christian or are part of a Christian family, for the purpose of teaching Christian values. Such a school would natually want to maintain a Christian atmosphere. However, that objective would be impossible to meet if they were obligated to accept people who do not conform to their teachings.

How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are obligated to accept people who have sex outside of marriage, commit adultry, commit homosexual acts, etc. with no intention of changing their ways? How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are forced by law to accept people of different religions? It has nothing to do with intolerance. It has to do with teaching Christian values and maintaining a Christian atmosphere.

Jemdude

Private school. Of course they should be able to do that.

What people need to realise is that the Christian perspective of homosexuality is very different from the world's perspective it. The world see homosexuality as part of a person's identity that cannot be changed. Christianity sees homosexuality as a behaviour that can be difficult but possible to stop. It is seen, not as a person's identity, but as a sexual act similar to sex outside of marriage or adultry. You may or may not agree with this, but that is the Christian perspective.

Another thing that people need to realise is that a Christian school is different from a church. A church welcomes people from all walks of life (with the expectation that the people will stop living any anti-Christian lifestyle in due time). But a Christian school is designed for people who are already Christian or are part of a Christian family, for the purpose of teaching Christian values. Such a school would natually want to maintain a Christian atmosphere. However, that objective would be impossible to meet if they were obligated to accept people who do not conform to their teachings.

How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are obligated to accept people who have sex outside of marriage, commit adultry, commit homosexual acts, etc. with no intention of changing their ways? How can a Christian atmosphere be maintained if they are forced by law to accept people of different religions? It has nothing to do with intolerance. It has to do with teaching Christian values and maintaining a Christian atmosphere.

Jemdude

Also, I thought the Bible never specified lesbianism as a sin. They only specified males. :?Genetic_Code

While it preserves religious freedom whats to stop some schools from saying different races aren't allowed in? I mean its free speech we can hate who we want right? :roll:

I don't see the problem unless it becomes a problem like numerous public displays of affection and the like, otherwise it is not the school's business.

While it preserves religious freedom whats to stop some schools from saying different races aren't allowed in? I mean its free speech we can hate who we want right? :roll:

I don't see the problem unless it becomes a problem like numerous public displays of affection and the like, otherwise it is not the school's business.

Tiefster