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Hence, why I wrote "does/would do. You can't say the system is wrong when you didn't even do it right ;)Does/would does not change the fact that public schools get sued. Does/would does not change the fact that the state has to educate all students within an age range and without tuition payments. ;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually because a public school is funded by tax dollars and has to accept students. Many public schools have been sued because parents and children were offended.:|
Famiking
It annoys me when people say that homosexuality isn't a choice. While I do agree that homosexuality, much like heterosexuality may very well not be a choice, that doesn't give them an excuse to not take part in abstinence. Heterosexuals do it, so I don't see why homosexuals can't. It's as though they're excused to have sex but heterosexuals aren't.Genetic_CodeWhy can't heterosexuals have sex either? Heck, in the last thread people were FOR a heterosexual where a young male was banned from going to his girlfriend's prom by his religious school.
Hence, why I wrote "does/would do. You can't say the system is wrong when you didn't even do it right ;)Does/would does not change the fact that public schools get sued. Does/would does not change the fact that the state has to educate all students within an age range and without tuition payments. ;) If you're getting sued then something is broken or not working the way it's supposed to.[QUOTE="Famiking"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually because a public school is funded by tax dollars and has to accept students. Many public schools have been sued because parents and children were offended.:|
LJS9502_basic
I'm surprised it's not 90:10. This really is an easy choice. A child who is responsible for their own actions were caught doing something against the school's code of conduct. Why. Isn't. The school. Allowed. To. Discriminate? It's not the taking of someone's life. It's a sensible practice. If there were some school meant for only gays, and if the reverse were to happen, I would assume that a large sum of those that voted "no" in this poll would have voted "yes" in the other poll.74yes, 73 no. that is actually very close. I voted yes because i don't like the government telling organizations and businesses who to accept as a customer.
hoola
[QUOTE="mindstorm"] But my school does not limit itself to the "this is what we think" approach. We look at all of the sides... not just one side. We then come to the conclusions ourselves. Personally, I find that to be true education, not simply a "religious education."FamikingThen why do you get expelled for pre-marital sex? That doesn't sound like looking at all sides to me... I still don't see where it would harm religion if all schools were non-religious but religious courses were offered to those that want them. There is a difference between teaching all sides and living all sides. :wink: I'd rather go to a religious school because the school itself will hold a united belief and principle. If you understood just how passionate I am about my university, seminary, and professors then you'd know why there is a need for a religious education. Not only do my professors teach religion but they believe it. I have many times seen professors break down when teaching topics such as the doctrine of the atonement. I absolutely love it and would not be able to have that experience in a secular education. Also, these same professors will have Bible studies at their houses and care not only about their knowledge but spiritual and emotional lives. I love it.
Private club has club rules, forum has forum rules, private school has its own rules. Government is not going to regulate Gamespot if a mod ban you for life. You can make your own club and discriminate whoever you like and you will win all class law suit. That's freedom. Private restaurants still holds right to refuse serve people they don't like.magicalclickThat's a good point. I wonder how the Gamespot owners would feel if the government forced them to have their TOS conform to the U.S. First Amendment governing freedom of speech?
If you're getting sued then something is broken or not working the way it's supposed to.FamikingNot necessarily. Parents don't think their children should follow rules....have you not followed the news when school districts are getting sued?
If you're getting sued then something is broken or not working the way it's supposed to.LJS9502_basicNot necessarily. Parents don't think their children should follow rules....have you not followed the news when school districts are getting sued? It's probably because the rules are mundane or offensive.
I don't know of the thread you type of (type of? or is it speak of?), but if they weren't actively engaging in sex, then I see no problem with it.Genetic_CodeThey were going against the school rules, which was your only basis.
It depends if it were public or private. I should've asked that first.They were going against the school rules, which was your only basis.
Famiking
[QUOTE="Famiking"]It depends if it were public or private. I should've asked that first. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26875426&page=0 Private Baptist fundamentalist schoolThey were going against the school rules, which was your only basis.
Genetic_Code
Wow, what bigotry, this is a step away from banning people from a school because of their skin color.
I really wonder what caused the hatred of gays that the OP has, pretty much every thread I see posted by him shows that he dislikes gays. I can only guess between some odd comlex or maybe a family history of bigotry against various minorities, but either way, Jemdude, grow up, your attitudes towards people who don't think exactly like you, are pathetic and just make Christians look bad.
A private school has the right to choose who does and does not attend its classes.limpbizkit818Yep, I went to a private school for 7 years (middle and high school). If you don't like the rules then talk to your parents and get out of there, otherwise follow the rules. At my school you had to sign a contract EVERY year stating you understood the handbook.
I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.Famiking
You sound just as intolerant as the religious schools you wish to outlaw.
You cry for the schools to be open minded while in the same breath ask for them to be made illegal when they hold a different viewpoint. Awesome double standard.
[QUOTE="Famiking"]I don't see why we should have religious schools in the first place, why don't we just ban them. I mean, you should be allowed to take a religious class if you want, but a religious school is just a breeding ground for intolerance.Religious schools should be illegal.limpbizkit818
You sound just as intolerant as the religious schools you wish to outlaw.
You cry for the schools to be open minded while in the same breath ask for them to be made illegal when they hold a different viewpoint. Awesome double standard.
Huh? What different viewpoint? I'm religious myself.....Except I don't want people to be discriminated based on their sexual orientation. If this is the sort of thing that kids will learn, then schools like these should be outlawed, like I said they breed intolerance.
The decision is wrong and only promotes more bigotry, but it is indeed a private Christian school, so it's not unexpected. Thankfully, homophobia is on the decline as more and more people are coming to the realization that their ancient point-of-view, and blind faith, shouldn't rule the lives of others. It wasn't so long ago that African-Americans weren't equal in many aspects of American life, but that changed, and so will the issue of accepting homosexuality.
the school should have every right to purge their school from sinners imo. otherwise, sins like that would spread like a disease.SilenthpsYour viewpoint of purging the "sinners" from school only adds to the bigotry, hate, and discrimination against gays and lesbians. Why stop at school? Might as well purge them from society as a whole, for simply being who they are.
the school should have every right to purge their school from sinners imo. otherwise, sins like that would spread like a disease.SilenthpsWhich is ironic because bigotry is a far worse disease you seem to be well intunned with.. Bigotry has caused far worse things in history than gays, nice try though..
[QUOTE="matenmoe"]You act as if they choose to go there, seriously who would CHOOSE to go to a religious school?I went to a Catholic High school for one year through my own personal decision. I wasn't even a Christian at the time, and it wasn't that bad.:| You make it seem like going to a religious school is the most horrible thing in the world.Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.
Famiking
You act as if they choose to go there, seriously who would CHOOSE to go to a religious school?I went to a Catholic High school for one year through my own personal decision. I wasn't even a Christian at the time, and it wasn't that bad.:| You make it seem like going to a religious school is the most horrible thing in the world. I know, I hated going to that Christian school I went to but I decided to keep going thinking it would get better and I'm glad I went there based on what I got out of it. Religious schools are not horrible places.....[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="matenmoe"]
Another item about this- The girls were knowingly enrolled in a school that did not support their sexual preference. Why go where they weren't wanted, blow mom and dad's tuition $$,and their own education, by risking getting caught? I really can't feel sorry for them being foolhardy.
greenprince
its not just the religious freedom of the school, its about the property rights of the school. Yes I absolutely agree with the court's ruling.
It annoys me when people say that homosexuality isn't a choice. While I do agree that homosexuality, much like heterosexuality may very well not be a choice, that doesn't give them an excuse to not take part in abstinence. Heterosexuals do it, so I don't see why homosexuals can't. It's as though they're excused to have sex but heterosexuals aren't.Genetic_CodeYou are talking about sexual behavior, not sexuality.
the school should have every right to purge their school from sinners imo. otherwise, sins like that would spread like a disease.SilenthpsI wouldn't mind purging all bigots from the earth. Otherwise, hate speech could spread like a disease. I'm bigoted against bigots.
My prep high school was founded by catholic nuns. It now has a national 'Ivy League high school' reputation-people want to educate their kids there. It was not this way when I went there in theearly 80's.I now know no less than6 homosexuals were my classmates then. This was before homosexuality became a political issue, and they didn't openly admit to homosexuality. As they believed it their own personal business, not some government faction's. the reason I went there was to avoid the bulls**t I'd seen my older brothers endure in the public schools at the time. Mom and dad being public school teachers, wanted me to think about going to a private school where the BS was able to be disciplined out, unlike the places they were teaching.
This catholic foundation school also had 3 muslims as my classmates, and even 2 jewish students. Due to their religious varieties, they were not required to attend religious school functions with the rest of us- althougha fewdid anyway, curious about the preceedings. I remember talking to these other religion members about their religions during lunch.It was pretty cool to learn first hand. Neither side got converted to the other-we weren't into that. Nobody got discriminated against in any record public or school wise. The student body was made up of already intelligent students as a requirement to entrance, afterall. I was never forced into learning intolerance by any of the administration there. Good folks ran the place, still do. I was bright enough not to buy intolerance even when it was sold- part of that was due to my religion. (I followed Christ in the bible, not thefew bigotsin the school).
I have no bigotry (that I know of-although some here will prove I do) against homosexuals, muslims or jews as many posts here think I should have learned -by being a private school preppy. Incidentally, my father actually worked a second job to pay my tuition there-so I am not a rich snob, either. I have since fallen from the constant practice of my religion. But this is my issue-never the school's or anyone else's. I support private, religious, and prepatory schools to this date. To have only someone else's choice is also to not have my own choice. Let the individual human decide a belief for themself, never let the majority force descions upon that individual where a belief is concerned.
Most people here don't understand the difference between rules and intolerance. Just because a school enforces rules, especially moral rules, does not make it bad. In fact, it makes it superior to all other schools for having higher standards.ShortMonkey1
Moral rules; wat they are doing is promoting discrimination of people with different sexual orientations. Thats not higher moral standards, thats pure discrimination. And anyways most of the rules set in the bible are taught everywhere because they are the basis for good behaviour. Probably only useful thing the bible ever did.
Some people here have accused the school of hatred and bigotry, but that is simply not true. An organization can restrict the type of people they allow in depending on the audience they are trying to reach. For example, a Japanese association (or any other ethnic association for that matter) is only going to accept as members, people who have a connection to the Japanese heritage. They are not going to be inclusive and accept every "Tom, Dick and Harry" who signs up. Does that mean that they hate non-Japanese people? Of course not. The same thing goes for a private Christian school. They are primarily there for the Christians of their particular denomination and want to promote a Christian lifestyle to all students. It is not for everybody of every lifestyle and every religion. That doesn't mean that they hate such people. It's degisned for a Christian audience and promote the Christian lifestyle.
Some people here have accused the school of hatred and bigotry, but that is simply not true. An organization can restrict the type of people they allow in depending on the audience they are trying to reach. For example, a Japanese association (or any other ethnic association for that matter) is only going to accept as members, people who have a connection to the Japanese heritage. They are not going to be inclusive and accept every "Tom, Dick and Harry" who signs up. Does that mean that they hate non-Japanese people? Of course not. The same thing goes for a private Christian school. They are primarily there for the Christians of their particular denomination and want to promote a Christian lifestyle to all students. It is not for everybody of every lifestyle and every religion. That doesn't mean that they hate such people. It's degisned for a Christian audience and promote the Christian lifestyle.
Jemdude
Yes i realise that, ive never read the bible, but i cannot beleive it actively promotes discrimination about lesbians....Maybe the girls were christians, WHAT IS THAT SCHOOL'S RIGHT TO DENY CHRISTIANS ENTRY just because of their sexual orientation. If the girls said they definitively weren't christians, i'd understand, but since they din't....
If they are completely self-funded than while i do not like it they should be allowed. However if they recieve any kind of state or federal funding or aid than in that case I think they should not be allowed to just call the shots like that.mattykovax
[QUOTE="Jemdude"]
Some people here have accused the school of hatred and bigotry, but that is simply not true. An organization can restrict the type of people they allow in depending on the audience they are trying to reach. For example, a Japanese association (or any other ethnic association for that matter) is only going to accept as members, people who have a connection to the Japanese heritage. They are not going to be inclusive and accept every "Tom, Dick and Harry" who signs up. Does that mean that they hate non-Japanese people? Of course not. The same thing goes for a private Christian school. They are primarily there for the Christians of their particular denomination and want to promote a Christian lifestyle to all students. It is not for everybody of every lifestyle and every religion. That doesn't mean that they hate such people. It's degisned for a Christian audience and promote the Christian lifestyle.
LastResortCooki
Yes i realise that, ive never read the bible, but i cannot beleive it actively promotes discrimination about lesbians....Maybe the girls were christians, WHAT IS THAT SCHOOL'S RIGHT TO DENY CHRISTIANS ENTRY just because of their sexual orientation. If the girls said they definitively weren't christians, i'd understand, but since they din't....
well, there's nothing in the bible that really actively discriminates against gays, but remember, Christians once used the bible to justify slavery, even though there's nothing in the bible saying slavery is acceptable....[QUOTE="Silenthps"]the school should have every right to purge their school from sinners imo. otherwise, sins like that would spread like a disease.majoras_wrathI wouldn't mind purging all bigots from the earth. Otherwise, hate speech could spread like a disease. I'm bigoted against bigots.So you are for censorship?
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