Creation: Should it be taught in schools?

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#1 Slepanandiaz
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Should Christiancreation be taught along side evolution in schools?

I say yes, it definitely should.

EDIT: Sorry I didn't make a poll. Now I've used up my poll for the day.

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#2 comp_atkins
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no. let the parents teach fairy tales at home

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#3 Darthmatt
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Religion should be kept away from public education.
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Private school was made for a reason.
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only if it's held up to scientific scrutiny. If you teach creation you'd better teach it's short comings in the scientific method.
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#7 NearTheEnd
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I'm fine with it being taught in schools.

Just far the hell away from a science class.

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No. I dont think it would be viewed as a proper AKS. And thats ignoring the whole religion thing there. But no school is suppose to prepare you for your work life. I dont think creation will matter.
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Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.
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The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.
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Under one condition: every creation story is taught, including the 300+ currently practiced religions, as well as mythological and dead religions, equally. I know this is impossible, so my answer is no.
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Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Vampyronight

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

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No. I dont think it would be viewed as a proper AKS. And thats ignoring the whole religion thing there. But no school is suppose to prepare you for your work life. I dont think creation will matter.soulfood4

Teaching evolution provides no benefit for most future jobs, either.

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Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Vampyronight
Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.
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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.DeeJayInphinity

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

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[QUOTE="soulfood4"]No. I dont think it would be viewed as a proper AKS. And thats ignoring the whole religion thing there. But no school is suppose to prepare you for your work life. I dont think creation will matter.Vampyronight

Teaching evolution provides no benefit for most future jobs, either.

Unless you want to be a biologist, zoologist, geneticist, chemist, anthropologist...etc. Basically any job that ends in "gist" excluding theologist.
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Vampyronight

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

Evolution has been proven. A theory is accepted by the scientific community as a fact.
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Vampyronight

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

Most of evolution has already been proven. The fact that it's still "just a theory" doesn't change a thing. Gravity is still "just a theory." :roll:

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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]

[QUOTE="soulfood4"]No. I dont think it would be viewed as a proper AKS. And thats ignoring the whole religion thing there. But no school is suppose to prepare you for your work life. I dont think creation will matter.Darthmatt

Teaching evolution provides no benefit for most future jobs, either.

Unless you want to be a biologist, zoologist, geneticist, chemist, anthropologist...etc. Basically any job that ends in "gist" excluding theologist.

gynocologist

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#21 feryl06
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that's why I do not like catholics who say that it should be taught in school. they're just showing the ignorance and arrogance that made people hate christians for so many centuries. why should catholicsm be taught in school? does that mean other religions should be taught as well? Of course THEY would say no---but that's just because they think they're in the right.
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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Darthmatt
Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.

Well, I just think it should be brought up within the context of "problems with Evolution." You see, that's the real problem. At my high school (eons ago), teachers were forbidden to discuss the problems and holes within Evolution. Yes, forbidden.

If teachers were required to show all the faults with Evolution based off current science theory, then I'd be satisfied with leaving creationism out of the (science) classroom. But if you're going to provide a theory that has many issues with it without even the mere mention of an alternate theory, well, then I consider that wrong. Either throw in a small rebuttal by creationists or inform students completely of all the problems related to evolution- I personally don't care either way.

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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Vampyronight

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

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yes, why not teach both sides.
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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.NearTheEnd

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

:| gravity isn't a theory its a natural phenomenon

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absolutely not.

evolution is science. creation is pseudoscience. I dont want pseudoscience taught in public schools when our kids are dumb enough as it is

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[QUOTE="NearTheEnd"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.SOTE

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

:| gravity isn't a theory its a natural phenomenon

Wrong. In science, it's still a theory.

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I wonder what the Creationists think of the highly trained scientists who spend years researching biology and evolution. I'll bet it would look something like this.

Man evolved from a common genetic lineage as apes and dogs.... Muuh a haa ah aah ahh!!!!!

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[QUOTE="NearTheEnd"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.SOTE

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

:| gravity isn't a theory its a natural phenomenon

It's still a theory even though it's obvious it exists. Same thing goes for evolution but apparently evolution has gaping holes? :lol:

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yes, why not teach both sides. flavort

why not teach buddhist side, islamic side, jewish side, zoroastrian side, taoist side, sikhist side, and hinduist side? those people just have to sit there and enjoy it right? well how would you feel if they were the only ones and not christian creationism you'd be pissed off and so would they :|

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[QUOTE="SOTE"][QUOTE="NearTheEnd"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.DeeJayInphinity

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

:| gravity isn't a theory its a natural phenomenon

Wrong. In science, it's still a theory.

no the scientific explanation of gravity is a theory...ie theory of relativity but gravity itself is NOT a theory

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yes, why not teach both sides. flavort

There's thousands of sides.

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HELL NO!

Students, especially in the 21st century, should not be fed those primitive baseless lies.

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Well, I just think it should be brought up within the context of "problems with Evolution." You see, that's the real problem. At my high school (eons ago), teachers were forbidden to discuss the problems and holes within Evolution. Yes, forbidden.

If teachers were required to show all the faults with Evolution based off current science theory, then I'd be satisfied with leaving creationism out of the (science) classroom. But if you're going to provide a theory that has many issues with it without even the mere mention of an alternate theory, well, then I consider that wrong. Either throw in a small rebuttal by creationists or inform students completely of all the problems related to evolution- I personally don't care either way.

Vampyronight


If they teach creationism, they must teach every other religion's creation myth/entire history. That is why it is not done in the first place. Personal beliefs are left up to the family, or private lives. Teaching creationism in a secular school is very wrong. It is imposing religion on children, who may have already had their parents teach them a particular faith.

Public school is for learning things like mathematics, language arts, humanities and science... not religion. That is why we invented private school.

Oh yes, and creationism isn't a scientific "alternate theory" to evolution. It is a religious alternative. One that requires faith to believe in, not facts.
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="SOTE"][QUOTE="NearTheEnd"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.SOTE

It's not science so keep it away from the science classes.

Well until Evolution is proven, it's just a theory as well. Squashing alternate theories for something that isn't proven and has its own flaws does nothing to better a child's education.

I don't think you understand the scientific meaning of a theory.

Even gravity is a theory.

:| gravity isn't a theory its a natural phenomenon

Wrong. In science, it's still a theory.

no the scientific explanation of gravity is a theory...ie theory of relativity but gravity itself is NOT a theory

in science, it is still a theory.

people say creationism is a theory, yet their only proof is the bible. in my opinion, creationism is nothing more than an idea based entirely on faith.

so, evolution is science, creationism is pseudoscience. our kids are dumb enough as it is

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yes, why not teach both sides. flavort
Because if my faith says space monkeys came to earth and populated the planet with life, teaching only the Christian faith's version would be a practice of faith discrimination. In a public institution, no one faith can be taught over another. You teach the Christian version of creation, then you would have to teach every version of faith based creation. At least with evolution there is a scientific basis that is based on a number of facts supported by years of research.
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No, not at all. Only facts should be taught in school, and religion should be kept well away from schools. Oh, and this thread needs a poll.
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Under one condition: every creation story is taught, including the 300+ currently practiced religions, as well as mythological and dead religions, equally. I know this is impossible, so my answer is no.ShuLordLiuPei

Technically, both Greek and Roman mythology are taught. Hmm...I think they should be banned.

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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Darthmatt
Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.

they actually have creation scientist.

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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]Under one condition: every creation story is taught, including the 300+ currently practiced religions, as well as mythological and dead religions, equally. I know this is impossible, so my answer is no.LJS9502_basic

Technically, both Greek and Roman mythology are taught. Hmm...I think they should be banned.

they're not taught as facts or theories. they're just taught to give insight into greek and roman history
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]Under one condition: every creation story is taught, including the 300+ currently practiced religions, as well as mythological and dead religions, equally. I know this is impossible, so my answer is no.LJS9502_basic

Technically, both Greek and Roman mythology are taught. Hmm...I think they should be banned.

They are only taught as mere stories. That's why I put the word "equally".
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.flavort

Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.

they actually have creation scientist.

there are still FACTS which clearly refute the YEC idea. take for instance astronomy. there are galaxy collisions. even if these galaxies were accelerating at the speed of light towards eachother, it would still take millions of years for them to collide. whats even more embarrasing is when clusters of galaxies collide. also, there are stars which we can see which are 13 billion light years away. clearly, this is impossible if the universe were 6000 years old
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No, not at all. Only facts should be taught in school, and religion should be kept well away from schools. Oh, and this thread needs a poll.Bourbons3
Thank you. The fact that people think its would be fine to teach creationism in tandem with evolution because of " loop holes " is an embarrassment I feel as an American. And it shows why it really is important to teach the facts in schoo. So people can have a proper education and stop bringing up this nonsense.
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]Under one condition: every creation story is taught, including the 300+ currently practiced religions, as well as mythological and dead religions, equally. I know this is impossible, so my answer is no.LJS9502_basic

Technically, both Greek and Roman mythology are taught. Hmm...I think they should be banned.

They're usually taught in literature classes though. Nobody is in science class explaining lightning bolts with Zeus.

A "Major World Religions" class should be required for everyone. I think it would help out a lot of ignorant people.

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[QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.mig_killer2

Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.

they actually have creation scientist.

there are still FACTS which clearly refute the YEC idea. take for instance astronomy. there are galaxy collisions. even if these galaxies were accelerating at the speed of light towards eachother, it would still take millions of years for them to collide. whats even more embarrasing is when clusters of galaxies collide. also, there are stars which we can see which are 13 billion light years away. clearly, this is impossible if the universe were 6000 years old

I am not refering to YEC

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#46 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.flavort

Those alternate theories should at least be based on science then. You can't teach a faith based concept and call it science. Thats just wrong in every degree.

they actually have creation scientist.

there are still FACTS which clearly refute the YEC idea. take for instance astronomy. there are galaxy collisions. even if these galaxies were accelerating at the speed of light towards eachother, it would still take millions of years for them to collide. whats even more embarrasing is when clusters of galaxies collide. also, there are stars which we can see which are 13 billion light years away. clearly, this is impossible if the universe were 6000 years old

I am not refering to YEC

what are you referring to when you say "creationism"?
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Have a science class and a religion class.. no reason to seperate them. And no reason to read out the Qu'Ran in a catholic country either. If mostly everyone is Christian in the area, focus on that religion but don't leave the other ones out.

That's how it works in Europe, and it works wonders.

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All schools of thought should be covered.

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They're usually taught in literature classes though. Nobody is in science class explaining lightning bolts with Zeus.

A "Major World Religions" class should be required for everyone. I think it would help out a lot of ignorant people.

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I'm not arguing the class....just stating that religions are taught in public schools. Which is a fact...doesn't matter the class.

Your idea may at least help with tolerance of others though....

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#50 NearTheEnd
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Have a science class and a religion class.. no reason to seperate them. And no reason to read out the Qu'Ran in a catholic country either. If mostly everyone is Christian in the area, focus on that religion but don't leave the other ones out.

That's how it works in Europe, and it works wonders.

Vfanek
Yeah, learning about other cultures is totally useless.