Creation: Should it be taught in schools?

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"]

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

The_Ish

"this is the thing", creationism does not deserve to be in a science cl@ss Ever. It is not a scientific theory, and before you respond with "its' just a theory", I might remind you that gravity is a theory, and some scientists agree that there is enough evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

If you want to believe God guided evolution, thats fine. But know that is not scientific. If you want to believe that God created life, fine, but again, thats not scientific, because it can't be proven through observation and emperical data/research.

And no one says evolution disproves God, not unless you like to take the Bible literally.

You are so mixed up here. I am talking about atheist think that macroevolution disproves God. Creation, intelligent design are science wether you acknowledge it or not. Scientist study these things. Just because the theory of evolution is factual does not grant truth to other theories. The fact that you say "some" scientist says a whole lot. Also if you would just read what I said you would know that I said that science will not prove God. Pay attention.

Here's a little thing about science: it's not scientific just because it's studied by people who call themselves scientists, its science if it is observable and supported by empirical data, and guess what? Creationism/Intelligent design fails to be observable and is not supported by empirical data. I don't know what "scientists" you think actually takes this seriously, but they are clearly not real scientists, since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proven into the scientific community as a valid theory.

Also, I never said the theory of evolution grants truth to other theories, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the theory of evolution has a lot of evidence going for it.

And why atheists think macroevolution disproves God has nothing to do with the validity of the theory of Evolution or Creationism. They believe something that can't be proven, just like how creationists believe something that can't be proven. Science does not approach such things.

No, they are Scientist with major credentials. To be honest you are so close minded it is hard to even discuss this with you. this is a quote for you "since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proved into the scientific community as a valid theory." Are you serious? If it cant be proved so it is not a valid theory. Theories are not necessarily fact. To dismiss other theories is ignorant.

BTW, flavort, can you give us a piece of evidence for creationism?mig_killer2

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"]

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

flavort

"this is the thing", creationism does not deserve to be in a science cl@ss Ever. It is not a scientific theory, and before you respond with "its' just a theory", I might remind you that gravity is a theory, and some scientists agree that there is enough evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

If you want to believe God guided evolution, thats fine. But know that is not scientific. If you want to believe that God created life, fine, but again, thats not scientific, because it can't be proven through observation and emperical data/research.

And no one says evolution disproves God, not unless you like to take the Bible literally.

You are so mixed up here. I am talking about atheist think that macroevolution disproves God. Creation, intelligent design are science wether you acknowledge it or not. Scientist study these things. Just because the theory of evolution is factual does not grant truth to other theories. The fact that you say "some" scientist says a whole lot. Also if you would just read what I said you would know that I said that science will not prove God. Pay attention.

Here's a little thing about science: it's not scientific just because it's studied by people who call themselves scientists, its science if it is observable and supported by empirical data, and guess what? Creationism/Intelligent design fails to be observable and is not supported by empirical data. I don't know what "scientists" you think actually takes this seriously, but they are clearly not real scientists, since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proven into the scientific community as a valid theory.

Also, I never said the theory of evolution grants truth to other theories, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the theory of evolution has a lot of evidence going for it.

And why atheists think macroevolution disproves God has nothing to do with the validity of the theory of Evolution or Creationism. They believe something that can't be proven, just like how creationists believe something that can't be proven. Science does not approach such things.

No, they are Scientist with major credentials. To be honest you are so close minded it is hard to even discuss this with you. this is a quote for you "since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proved into the scientific community as a valid theory." Are you serious? If it cant be proved so it is not a valid theory. Theories are not necessarily fact. To dismiss other theories is ignorant.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"]

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

flavort

"this is the thing", creationism does not deserve to be in a science cl@ss Ever. It is not a scientific theory, and before you respond with "its' just a theory", I might remind you that gravity is a theory, and some scientists agree that there is enough evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

If you want to believe God guided evolution, thats fine. But know that is not scientific. If you want to believe that God created life, fine, but again, thats not scientific, because it can't be proven through observation and emperical data/research.

And no one says evolution disproves God, not unless you like to take the Bible literally.

You are so mixed up here. I am talking about atheist think that macroevolution disproves God. Creation, intelligent design are science wether you acknowledge it or not. Scientist study these things. Just because the theory of evolution is factual does not grant truth to other theories. The fact that you say "some" scientist says a whole lot. Also if you would just read what I said you would know that I said that science will not prove God. Pay attention.

Here's a little thing about science: it's not scientific just because it's studied by people who call themselves scientists, its science if it is observable and supported by empirical data, and guess what? Creationism/Intelligent design fails to be observable and is not supported by empirical data. I don't know what "scientists" you think actually takes this seriously, but they are clearly not real scientists, since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proven into the scientific community as a valid theory.

Also, I never said the theory of evolution grants truth to other theories, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the theory of evolution has a lot of evidence going for it.

And why atheists think macroevolution disproves God has nothing to do with the validity of the theory of Evolution or Creationism. They believe something that can't be proven, just like how creationists believe something that can't be proven. Science does not approach such things.

No, they are Scientist with major credentials. To be honest you are so close minded it is hard to even discuss this with you. this is a quote for you "since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proved into the scientific community as a valid theory." Are you serious? If it cant be proved so it is not a valid theory. Theories are not necessarily fact. To dismiss other theories is ignorant.

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"]

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

yoshi-lnex

"this is the thing", creationism does not deserve to be in a science cl@ss Ever. It is not a scientific theory, and before you respond with "its' just a theory", I might remind you that gravity is a theory, and some scientists agree that there is enough evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

If you want to believe God guided evolution, thats fine. But know that is not scientific. If you want to believe that God created life, fine, but again, thats not scientific, because it can't be proven through observation and emperical data/research.

And no one says evolution disproves God, not unless you like to take the Bible literally.

You are so mixed up here. I am talking about atheist think that macroevolution disproves God. Creation, intelligent design are science wether you acknowledge it or not. Scientist study these things. Just because the theory of evolution is factual does not grant truth to other theories. The fact that you say "some" scientist says a whole lot. Also if you would just read what I said you would know that I said that science will not prove God. Pay attention.

Here's a little thing about science: it's not scientific just because it's studied by people who call themselves scientists, its science if it is observable and supported by empirical data, and guess what? Creationism/Intelligent design fails to be observable and is not supported by empirical data. I don't know what "scientists" you think actually takes this seriously, but they are clearly not real scientists, since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proven into the scientific community as a valid theory.

Also, I never said the theory of evolution grants truth to other theories, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the theory of evolution has a lot of evidence going for it.

And why atheists think macroevolution disproves God has nothing to do with the validity of the theory of Evolution or Creationism. They believe something that can't be proven, just like how creationists believe something that can't be proven. Science does not approach such things.

No, they are Scientist with major credentials. To be honest you are so close minded it is hard to even discuss this with you. this is a quote for you "since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proved into the scientific community as a valid theory." Are you serious? If it cant be proved so it is not a valid theory. Theories are not necessarily fact. To dismiss other theories is ignorant.

A theory requires observable, testible evidence, something that creationism and ID lack. If it lacks evidence, it is not a valid theory. can a theory be valid if there is evidence that completely and utterly destroys that theory?mig_killer2

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="fireemblems"]teach me both...isnt that what they are suposed to do?LJS9502_basic

They can teach philosophy....

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="flavort"]

that is such a crock, Macroevolution cannot be proven as fact either. It is a science that is just as worthy of investigation as macroevolution.

flavort

Macroevolution can be proven as fact through fossils and by examining the species that are still around today.

Creationism relies on misinformation... The eye is too complex to happen "randomly," DNA is too complex to happen "randomly," how did lungs appear? And all of that other BS. That and most creationists just ignore anyevidence that's put up by the real scientific community or they move on to another subject.

Science is not about ignoring evidence and data when it doesn't fit your religious beliefs.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

I'm not dead set on scientists being the final answer. I know they can be wrong and I'm not afraid of taking out evolution once there's enough proof against it

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

should we also teach the theory of intelligent ground stick-to-ness as a counter-theory to gravity? its a theory i'm proposing as to why things fall to the ground. here's how it works. basically there's an intelligent being of whom no evidence can be found. and its duty it to push all things towards the ground. we have to give kids ideas to consider regardless of available evidence right?

The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.foxhound_fox

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.FadeAwaySwish

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Sure. There's just as much evidence to support the creation theory as there is to support the big bang and similar theories. Since man doesn't know absolutely how the universe was created, one theory is just as valid as another.

I think it needs to stop at the creation of the planets though. Even though most creationists also believe that god hand crafted man etc... There is a significant amount more evidence to support evolution than anything else.

.yoshi-lnex

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Darthmatt

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="flavort"]

I have read that and take it into account along with refutes to it. This is the thing. You can teach evolution but it is not solid. I understand people think that creation and intelligent design means God. I dont think you canscientifically proveGod. I do think that people that dont believe in God would think that evolution disproves God. That is not true though the Christian God is my only God but that is not the case with everybody that believes in God. I have a problem with people that believe that because it is scientifically decided to be the answer, even though it is far from solid, would not want other scientific theories investigated. It would make sense to look for alternative answers. Science always changes with new findings and it is because of different research. At the same time if you teach only one side of a theory that has not been solidified, is that not indoctrination? Why not give other possibilities for them to consider. It is not like you are teaching the Bible to kids, you are opening the door to other perspectives that deserve thought.

mig_killer2

"this is the thing", creationism does not deserve to be in a science cl@ss Ever. It is not a scientific theory, and before you respond with "its' just a theory", I might remind you that gravity is a theory, and some scientists agree that there is enough evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for the theory of gravity.

If you want to believe God guided evolution, thats fine. But know that is not scientific. If you want to believe that God created life, fine, but again, thats not scientific, because it can't be proven through observation and emperical data/research.

And no one says evolution disproves God, not unless you like to take the Bible literally.

You are so mixed up here. I am talking about atheist think that macroevolution disproves God. Creation, intelligent design are science wether you acknowledge it or not. Scientist study these things. Just because the theory of evolution is factual does not grant truth to other theories. The fact that you say "some" scientist says a whole lot. Also if you would just read what I said you would know that I said that science will not prove God. Pay attention.

Here's a little thing about science: it's not scientific just because it's studied by people who call themselves scientists, its science if it is observable and supported by empirical data, and guess what? Creationism/Intelligent design fails to be observable and is not supported by empirical data. I don't know what "scientists" you think actually takes this seriously, but they are clearly not real scientists, since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proven into the scientific community as a valid theory.

Also, I never said the theory of evolution grants truth to other theories, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the theory of evolution has a lot of evidence going for it.

And why atheists think macroevolution disproves God has nothing to do with the validity of the theory of Evolution or Creationism. They believe something that can't be proven, just like how creationists believe something that can't be proven. Science does not approach such things.

No, they are Scientist with major credentials. To be honest you are so close minded it is hard to even discuss this with you. this is a quote for you "since they are trying to hammer something that can't be proved into the scientific community as a valid theory." Are you serious? If it cant be proved so it is not a valid theory. Theories are not necessarily fact. To dismiss other theories is ignorant.

no

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.guynamedbilly

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.guynamedbilly

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

[QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.mig_killer2

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Well, would you consider evolution to be a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe?

the problem with creationism is not only is it unscientific, it would be a violation of the 1st amendment to teach it in public schoolsmig_killer2

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.FadeAwaySwish

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Well, would you consider evolution to be a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe?

isn't it ironic that I actually go to a private christian school?

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.CptJSparrow

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

Heh, no. Have you even read that link?

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]the problem with creationism is not only is it unscientific, it would be a violation of the 1st amendment to teach it in public schoolsCptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.guynamedbilly

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

Heh, no. Have you even read that link?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]the problem with creationism is not only is it unscientific, it would be a violation of the 1st amendment to teach it in public schoolsmig_killer2

He's saying that's a decision that the states would make. In most cases Congress cannot make laws or rulings that would completely disregard the states.

What it comes down to it this. There is absolutely no evidence for Creationism.

There is evidence for Evolution, and the Big Bang. They are SCIENTIFIC theories and that is why they are taught in schools.

What it comes down to it this. There is absolutely no evidence for Creationism.

There is evidence for Evolution, and the Big Bang. They are SCIENTIFIC theories and that is why they are taught in schools.

Nickman71

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.mig_killer2

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

Heh, no. Have you even read that link?

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.Darthmatt

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

Heh, no. Have you even read that link?

[QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.mig_killer2

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Well, would you consider evolution to be a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe?

isn't it ironic that I actually go to a private christian school?

If you believe that then you believe that evolution is a religion. Look it up in the dictionary and that is what "religion" is. As for the irony... Ya a little bit, but I actually have many discussions with kidsat my school about this same stuff. No ground is ever gained, butwe do talk about it :)

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.FadeAwaySwish

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Well, would you consider evolution to be a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe?

isn't it ironic that I actually go to a private christian school?

If you believe that then you believe that evolution is a religion. Look it up in the dictionary and that is what "religion" is. As for the irony... Ya a little bit, but I actually have many discussions with kidsat my school about this same stuff. No ground is ever gained, butwe do talk about it :)

Sidenote: To everyone who said that evolution should be taught in public schools because it is a scientific theory...

So what you are saying is that you would want your "beliefs" to be based on a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and is in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. That doesn't sound like something I would want to believe in... :|

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.FadeAwaySwish

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Number 1 is the best option. In number 2, all religions would have to be taught, not just the major ones.

I agree, religion should be left up to the parents, private school, or church.

What it comes down to it this. There is absolutely no evidence for Creationism.

There is evidence for Evolution, and the Big Bang. They are SCIENTIFIC theories and that is why they are taught in schools.

Nickman71

That's not to say new theories may develop that contradict the current theories however. Science is rarely constant....

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Yes- I'm not saying do a 3-week lesson on it, but if you're going to teach evolution (which has its own gaping holes), you should at least provide an alternate theory. Take 20 minutes in a class and do a small rebuttal used by the creationists and call it a day.mig_killer2

In the actual origination of the planets, evolution doesn't cover that... but what is usually suggested is the big bang. When compared to the big bang, creationism has just as much science behind it as anything...which is none btw.

Heh, no. Have you even read that link?

Think about it for yourself, not what you've been spoonfed... If I tell you that the universe is expanding, what does that mean to you? To me it means just that, the universe is expanding...

What happens because of that expansion is anyones guess. Any theory is as good as any other. I don't think you realize how much guesswork there is in science.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The secular education system is meant to not involve peoples personal beliefs. If a public, secular school were to teach Christian creationism to a Buddhist families child, wouldn't they be offended?

That is what private education is for. You want your child to learn creationism, find a private school.FadeAwaySwish

If that is the case then evolution shouldn't be taught either. It IS a belief. I think that it should come down to two options

1) Do not teach any religion at all

2) Teach the main religions, but make them electives (optional)

I personally believe that the universe was created by God and thereforeI go to a private school. I agree with what most of you have said about going to a private school if you want to be taught creationism. I also understand that private schools cost A LOT of money. If you can't afford sending your kids to go to a private school, but at the same time would like them to be taught creationism then pick up your Bible and teach it to them! Get it directly from the source. Don't forget about church either :P

Well, would you consider evolution to be a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe?

No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.zombiepigeon

What does religion have to do with this?

[QUOTE="Nickman71"]

What it comes down to it this. There is absolutely no evidence for Creationism.

There is evidence for Evolution, and the Big Bang. They are SCIENTIFIC theories and that is why they are taught in schools.

LJS9502_basic

That's not to say new theories may develop that contradict the current theories however. Science is rarely constant....

Of course; but whats the alternative? Don't teach anything at all?

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"]No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.LJS9502_basic

What does religion have to do with this?

Sorry, I must have misread the topic and it's point. Ignore my post plz.

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"]No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.LJS9502_basic

What does religion have to do with this?

Sidenote: To everyone who said that evolution should be taught in public schools because it is a scientific theory...

So what you are saying is that you would want your "beliefs" to be based on a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and is in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. That doesn't sound like something I would want to believe in... :|

FadeAwaySwish

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"]No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.ShuLordLiuPei

What does religion have to do with this?

Then you have the definition of religion wrong.;)

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[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"]No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.ShuLordLiuPei

What does religion have to do with this?

I'll just let you two duke this out and wait to see who wins.

-Goes to get popcorn-

Sidenote: To everyone who said that creation should be taught in public schools because it is a scientific theory...

So what you are saying is that you would want your "beliefs" to be based on a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and is in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. That doesn't sound like something I would want to believe in... :|

FadeAwaySwish

Am I wrong?

[QUOTE="FadeAwaySwish"]

Sidenote: To everyone who said thatcreation should be taught in public schools because it is a scientific theory...

So what you are saying is that you would want your "beliefs" to be based on a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and is in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. That doesn't sound like something I would want to believe in... :|

ShuLordLiuPei

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="zombiepigeon"]No. Religion isa personal matter for everyone to decide. It is not science. It is not math, or history. It is not based around any factual knowledge. It is based on one person's faith. Evolution is only taught because it is not a religous matter and has scientific backing. If evolution were some part of a religion, we wouldn't teach it either.LJS9502_basic

What does religion have to do with this?

Then you have the definition of religion wrong.;)

"Creationism is the belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their entirety by a deity or deities (typically God), whose existence is presupposed."