Darwins Theory of Evolution is not Fact, it is merely Theory

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Stop saying "FACT"! There is no such thing as a fact in the real world! It is an ideal that can never be reached, only gotten very close to.

WTF was the point of this thread if all you are going to do is say "it's not fact" over an over again. There is no amount of evidence that would satisfy you.

Genetic_Code

Thats really the only fact we have.. Socrates said it best.. The only thing I know is I know nothing..

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

VigisothSaxon, stop ignoring this link

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46

VisigothSaxon

I didn't realize I ignored it. Although you guys ignored my link as well...

That does not prove it is fact, it just says why and how it is Theory, that does not make it Scientific Fact.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I will post this again because you appear to have missed it.

Scientific theories are explanations. Do you know what an explanation is? here let me help. An explanation is a set of statements constructed to describe a set of facts which clarifies the causes, and consequences of those facts. A few examples of the facts that evolution has explained. Animals change over millions of years due to natural selection, Punctuated equilibrium has occurred, etc. Those statements are undeniable facts, and a theory is the pinnacle of scientific explanation.

Guybrush_3

It still doesnt make it a fact. Also, let us remember that many think that evolution and the Bible go hand in hand. And Darwin's theory didnt disprove the Bible.

*blinks* It isn't supposed to be a fact! It's an explanation! Explanations aren't facts they describe them! The theory of evolution is made up of facts. What biblical literalist do is try to say that since an explanation isn't a fact (creating a false dichotomy) then the facts that the explanation explains aren't actually true. It's a despicable means of deceit that must be stopped.

Indeed. This is why I do not trust adult young earth creationist. They are either bold face liars or are unwilling/incapable of doing their own research.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

No- belief is based on supporting evidence. People have lied and been wrong about evolutionary discoveries, but the scientific method has always found them out quickly.

Rational beliefs do not require any faith at all. Faith is reserved purely for the irrational.

RationalAtheist

Only the irrational would say something like that. Do not mock religion, it holds just as many answers as Science and combined with science, I think we got most of the answers.

I'm not mocking it. Rationality/irrationality is not an insult. its a method for understanding things. Please don't feel insulted.

Why does religion offer to cure people like it used to before medicine came along?

Maybe it did? Maybe Jesus had a astounding knowledge of herbs and so on and he used that to help him perform miracles throughout his life. I mean who knows, so much is unknown and unproven. I feel insulted, everyone here insults me and puts words in my mouth. I have not tried to insult you guys, I just want a non bias answer, something I know I won't get.

Yes I am impressed that it has held its own this long, it does not make it better than the Bible or God. Both have yet to be proven/disproven, yes?

VisigothSaxon

I love the old earth defense ofevolutionists. lets assume the bible is right and God created everything. Now the million dollar question: How OLD was Adam when God created him?

fillini

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

VigisothSaxon, stop ignoring this link

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46

needled24-7

I didn't realize I ignored it. Although you guys ignored my link as well...

That does not prove it is fact, it just says why and how it is Theory, that does not make it Scientific Fact.

I already knew of this. This does not make it scientific fact... There is pleasing me, I want facts when it comes to Science. You cannot believe every Theory science comes up with...

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Only the irrational would say something like that. Do not mock religion, it holds just as many answers as Science and combined with science, I think we got most of the answers.

VisigothSaxon

I'm not mocking it. Rationality/irrationality is not an insult. its a method for understanding things. Please don't feel insulted.

Why does religion offer to cure people like it used to before medicine came along?

Maybe it did? Maybe Jesus had a astounding knowledge of herbs and so on and he used that to help him perform miracles throughout his life. I mean who knows, so much is unknown and unproven. I feel insulted, everyone here insults me and puts words in my mouth. I have not tried to insult you guys, I just want a non bias answer, something I know I won't get.

Well you have with not even having a basic understanding of what your trying argue.. There are certain things you can be critical of the Theory of Evolution.. You have touched on none of them, and have fallen into the same old traps that have been spouted off for decades by people who don't even have basic understand of the scientific method or the Theory of Evolution.

And btw, your quote from Stephen Roberts is not true at all. The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history. So that right there proves that it is different from other religions.gaming25

Is this an alt for Snipes?xaos

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Yes I am impressed that it has held its own this long, it does not make it better than the Bible or God. Both have yet to be proven/disproven, yes?

markop2003

I love the old earth defense ofevolutionists. lets assume the bible is right and God created everything. Now the million dollar question: How OLD was Adam when God created him?

fillini

That doesn't stop people from trying to prove/disprove it. There should be no arguement here, you guys just are offenede and upset Darwin's Theory is not Fact.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Yes I am impressed that it has held its own this long, it does not make it better than the Bible or God. Both have yet to be proven/disproven, yes?

markop2003

I love the old earth defense ofevolutionists. lets assume the bible is right and God created everything. Now the million dollar question: How OLD was Adam when God created him?

fillini

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Alright then we agree that it is just a theory and not a fact. It has yet to be proven/disproven yes? I do not care if it cannot get anymore concrete that does nto mean it cannot be disproven and therefore it is not fact.

VisigothSaxon

Stop saying "FACT"! There is no such thing as a fact in the real world! It is an ideal that can never be reached, only gotten very close to.

WTF was the point of this thread if all you are going to do is say "it's not fact" over an over again. There is no amount of evidence that would satisfy you.

THEN why do you guys insist it is something greater than God or the Bible it isn't. If there are no facts, then we have nothing to argue about correct? Stop saying Darwin's Theory is more true than God or Religion, that statement is pure ignorance.

If someone gave me real evidence proving it as fact, it would satisfy me, I have nothing wrong with scientific facts. Stop putting words in my mouth!!!

Holy crap, do I really need to explain this?

Theory of evolution: Thousands of scientists and millions of experiments have been have produce a vast amount of evidence supporting it.

God: Absolutely nothing supporting it's existance.

That is why the theory of evolution is held in such a high regard over the explanations given by the bible

According to you logic, since I cannot prove to a shadow of a doubt that I can't fly, then it is entirely valid for me to go around saying I can in fact fly.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I didn't realize I ignored it. Although you guys ignored my link as well...

That does not prove it is fact, it just says why and how it is Theory, that does not make it Scientific Fact.

VisigothSaxon

I already knew of this. This does not make it scientific fact... There is pleasing me, I want facts when it comes to Science. You cannot believe every Theory science comes up with...

Is this an alt for Snipes?xaos

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

I'm not mocking it. Rationality/irrationality is not an insult. its a method for understanding things. Please don't feel insulted.

Why does religion offer to cure people like it used to before medicine came along?

sSubZerOo

Maybe it did? Maybe Jesus had a astounding knowledge of herbs and so on and he used that to help him perform miracles throughout his life. I mean who knows, so much is unknown and unproven. I feel insulted, everyone here insults me and puts words in my mouth. I have not tried to insult you guys, I just want a non bias answer, something I know I won't get.

Well you have with not even having a basic understanding of what your trying argue.. There are certain things you can be critical of the Theory of Evolution.. You have touched on none of them, and have fallen into the same old traps that have been spouted off for decades by people who don't even have basic understand of the scientific method or the Theory of Evolution.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/does-the-bible-say-anything-about-astronomy

Eh, the scholars back then were smart in their own right...

Is this an alt for Snipes?xaos

I just want a non bias answer, something I know I won't get.

VisigothSaxon

Seems like you dont even know what Faith is. Faith is more than what you are making it out to be. Faith is based on evidence, reason, revelation and love. Faith also is more than that as well. And btw, your quote from Stephen Roberts is not true at all. The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history. So that right there proves that it is different from other religions.gaming25

Why not just base belief on evidence? Revelation and love does sound like robust or sustainable basis for understanding. What else is there to faith that you'd like to mention?

What has my sig got to do with the timelessness of the bible? Many religious texts and entire religions and Gods pre-dated the bible. Of course its different from other religions - they're all different!

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

VigisothSaxon, stop ignoring this link

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46

needled24-7

I didn't realize I ignored it. Although you guys ignored my link as well...

That does not prove it is fact, it just says why and how it is Theory, that does not make it Scientific Fact.

Nothing ever will. He blinds himself to the blantantly obvious truth laid before him.

[QUOTE="xaos"]Is this an alt for Snipes?Teenaged

Ha ha, I assure you I am not Snipes. I am just hated because I have an opinion OT does not share.

I say again Darwin's Theory is not fact now accept it OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="gaming25"]And btw, your quote from Stephen Roberts is not true at all. The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history. So that right there proves that it is different from other religions.Genetic_Code

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I didn't realize I ignored it. Although you guys ignored my link as well...

That does not prove it is fact, it just says why and how it is Theory, that does not make it Scientific Fact.

laughingman42

Nothing ever will. He blinds himself to the blantantly obvious truth laid before him.

Oh, it is truth now... I find that hard to believe, considering it is not agreed to be fact nor truth, just a theory. I accept the fact that it is a theory, nothing more.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Is this an alt for Snipes?VisigothSaxon

Ha ha, I assure you I am not Snipes. I am just hated because I have an opinion OT does not share.

I say again Darwin's Theory is not fact now accept it OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="gaming25"]And btw, your quote from Stephen Roberts is not true at all. The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history. So that right there proves that it is different from other religions.sSubZerOo

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Hm, I cant tell but I dont want him banned like I did with Snipes.

xaos

Ha ha, I assure you I am not Snipes. I am just hated because I have an opinion OT does not share.

I say again Darwin's Theory is not fact now accept it OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eh, I guess, the world will never know.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Stop saying "FACT"! There is no such thing as a fact in the real world! It is an ideal that can never be reached, only gotten very close to.

WTF was the point of this thread if all you are going to do is say "it's not fact" over an over again. There is no amount of evidence that would satisfy you.

Genetic_Code

Hahaha, you got me.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Is this an alt for Snipes?VisigothSaxon

Ha ha, I assure you I am not Snipes. I am just hated because I have an opinion OT does not share.

I say again Darwin's Theory is not fact now accept it OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Only the irrational would say something like that. Do not mock religion, it holds just as many answers as Science and combined with science, I think we got most of the answers.

VisigothSaxon

I'm not mocking it. Rationality/irrationality is not an insult. its a method for understanding things. Please don't feel insulted.

Why does religion offer to cure people like it used to before medicine came along?

Maybe it did? Maybe Jesus had a astounding knowledge of herbs and so on and he used that to help him perform miracles throughout his life. I mean who knows, so much is unknown and unproven. I feel insulted, everyone here insults me and puts words in my mouth. I have not tried to insult you guys, I just want a non bias answer, something I know I won't get.

I'm talking about the 2000 years since then.

You have every right to feel insulted, although I hope it wasn't me that did it. Remember that you started this thread.

Why don't you accept that you have an answer. Evolution is a theory - a model of our understanding that has much supporting evidence and has enabled further discovery, especially in medicine.

Argue Amongst yourselves I am done here. I have been attacked and insulted 1 to many times, just because you don't like what I have to say.

I accept Darwin's Evolution as Theory, I will not accept it as fact until it is proven to be fact.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history? I must be misunderstanding something but are you saying the Bible is the only historical document?VisigothSaxon

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

So do many historical texts.. What makes the Bible any different from these?

That doesn't stop people from trying to prove/disprove it. There should be no arguement here, you guys just are offenede and upset Darwin's Theory is not Fact.

VisigothSaxon

OKAY, How old would he APPEAR to be? Like to actually walk and talk with God? please don't make memake it a A B or C question.fillini

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Seems like you dont even know what Faith is. Faith is more than what you are making it out to be. Faith is based on evidence, reason, revelation and love. Faith also is more than that as well. And btw, your quote from Stephen Roberts is not true at all. The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history. So that right there proves that it is different from other religions.

Why not just base belief on evidence? Revelation and love does sound like robust or sustainable basis for understanding. What else is there to faith that you'd like to mention?

What has my sig got to do with the timelessness of the bible? Many religious texts and entire religions and Gods pre-dated the bible. Of course its different from other religions - they're all different!

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Only the irrational would say something like that. Do not mock religion, it holds just as many answers as Science and combined with science, I think we got most of the answers.

xaos

Holy **** this made me lol

I accept Darwin's Evolution as Theory, I will not accept it as fact until it is proven to be fact.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Ha ha, I assure you I am not Snipes. I am just hated because I have an opinion OT does not share.

I say again Darwin's Theory is not fact now accept it OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VisigothSaxon

Eh, I guess, the world will never know.

Hi Snipes

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

sSubZerOo

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

So do many historical texts.. What makes the Bible any different from these?

Bible contains both religous info and historical info. No one is sure if the religious info is correct, I won't say anymore...

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] The Bible is the only written text that has been written throughout history? I must be misunderstanding something but are you saying the Bible is the only historical document?VisigothSaxon

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

Gensis 1 is not one of them.

It is both a fact and a theory. Fact only means that it can be observed over a long period of time, and that it's widely accepted. It has other meanings, but they aren't used for this purpose. Evolution doesn't deny the presence of a God or its actions on organisms.

Argue Amongst yourselves I am done here. I have been attacked and insulted 1 to many times, just because you don't like what I have to say.

I accept Darwin's Evolution as Theory, I will not accept it as fact until it is proven to be fact.

VisigothSaxon

:roll:

After all this, you still don't understand what a scientific theory is eh?

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] *shrug* It's just an unproven theory that you're not Snipesariz3260

Eh, I guess, the world will never know.

Hi Snipes

Have you guys ever seen a picture of snipes? I am sure most of you know what I look like...

Argue Amongst yourselves I am done here. I have been attacked and insulted 1 to many times, just because you don't like what I have to say.

I accept Darwin's Evolution as Theory, I will not accept it as fact until it is proven to be fact.

VisigothSaxon

But you'll accept your religion as a fact, although there is nothing like the same amount of evidence to back it up...

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Argue Amongst yourselves I am done here. I have been attacked and insulted 1 to many times, just because you don't like what I have to say.

I accept Darwin's Evolution as Theory, I will not accept it as fact until it is proven to be fact.

redstorm72

:roll:

After all this, you still don't understand what a scientific theory is eh?

I do, but it does not make it more than God/Religion...There is evidence surrounding God and Religion as well...

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"] Plenty of people have disproved sections of the bible, but a lot of people prefer to just have blind faith andthere will never be a serious study over the entirity because it's like studdying to see if LOTR really happened. [QUOTE="fillini"]

I love the old earth defense ofevolutionists. lets assume the bible is right and God created everything. Now the million dollar question: How OLD was Adam when God created him?

VisigothSaxon

That doesn't stop people from trying to prove/disprove it. There should be no arguement here, you guys just are offenede and upset Darwin's Theory is not Fact.

No we are upset because you don't even know the basics to science in general.. Yet act like you do.. When you clearly don't.. How bout this before you even make any more supposed "criticisms" on the subject.. You actually take a class on science 101.. So you can even understand what a Scientific Theory, Law and other such things even are.. Then you can start by reading what Theory of Evolution even entails.... Come back then.. Until then there is no point in argueing because you clearly don't even know the basics of either subject..

Gravity is technically still a theory 99% of scientists have chosen is the best idea we have come up with for a lot of things that happen in this universe. So we label it as a Law. It's technically not fact. It just has piles and piles of evidence supporting it and is generally accepted by the scientific community to be the law governing the state of large objects in the world. The law of gravity however holds absolutely no merit when on the sub-atomic level when dealing with the strong and weak nuclear forces that hold atoms together. But it works pretty damn good for everything else. Same with a lot of phsycis and math.

The Theory of Evolution also has piles and piles of evidence from thousands of independent sources from across the planet who do scientific experiments and make general observations that can be redone over and over and over with the same results.

The only other theory of how humans came into being that is generally accepted in the western world is supported by 1 book with no observations, no reproducible scientific experiments, or any sorts of measurementsat all. It's still accepted based upon pure faith. There is absolutely no science behind it.

"Since you can't disprove it, it must be right" is not science, it's a argumentative fallacy that makes no sense. That's what the other theory soley relies on in the scientific community. Which is completely incorrect.

Wasdie

I was about to post a response but Wasdie here just hit the nail from a better angle than I can in english. Read what I just quoted, it says what needs to be said in response to this thread.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Um, how will I not learn? Oh I think you are talking about yourself considering you won't share the evidence that proves Darwin's Evolution as fact. I mean you might as well share this evidence you would be famous.

VisigothSaxon

fact vs theory aside, let me ask you one question:

what is more likely?

Darwin?

or God?

Take into consideration the facts that support the theory of evolution, versus faith and the coincedental truths (i.e. yes, this place existed and, yes, a man named Jesus existed) of the Bible

To me, God, why?

God answers way more questions of the universe. Darwin's Theory does not provide the same level of answers and does not connect the dots of mystery like God does.

Bible contains both religous info and historical info. No one is sure if the religious info is correct, I won't say anymore...

VisigothSaxon