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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Telling people there will be repercussions if you are killed is extortion?

This thread just keeps getting better.

htekemerald

Luckily the LJS9502_basic's dictionaries definition of extortion is not commonly used, otherwise we all would be guilty of extortion many times throughout our life.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

If any foreign government learned anything from these documents I'll eat my hat and donate 10 bucks to their respective intelligence agencies.

No, the only group that learned anything from these documents was the general public, and some people like you seem to want to keep the government from being accountable to the world and to its own people.

Pixel-Pirate

What about Hillary Clinton asking diplomats to break the law and spy on the UN?

And no "everyone does it!" is not a valid counter to that.

Don't drop the soap...I have been reading through this whole thread and honestly "dont drop the soap" is the only thing i can come up with.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't see anything leaked that requires accountability....LJS9502_basic

What about Hillary Clinton asking diplomats to break the law and spy on the UN?

And no "everyone does it!" is not a valid counter to that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

What about Hillary Clinton asking diplomats to break the law and spy on the UN?

And no "everyone does it!" is not a valid counter to that.

F1_2004

Liking all these U.S. politicians calling for his execution

United States of America, where posting facts can get you killed!

Liking all these U.S. politicians calling for his execution

DroidPhysX

Wow, seriously?

Its surprises me how much american's are opposed to free speech.

htekemerald

how is that free speech?

he didnt write the articles, they were STOLEN

are you telling me that if i hacked your personal accounts , myspace, facebook, photobucket etc. etc

as well as released your address, where you work, where you can be found, bank deposit boxes i can exercise that as FREE SPEECH??

[QUOTE="I"]

Some other facts as regards that video:

1. Those reporters were in the company of armed men who were carrying heavy weapons.
2. Those reporters and armed men were in close proximity to US ground forces.
3. US ground forces in this area had been under sporadic fire all morning.
4. The helicopters only engaged this group of armed men when they saw what they thought was an attempt to fire on US mounted elements.

But I'm sure you knew all that. I'm imagine you're well educated in small unit operations.

Decrate

who doesnt know everything you mentioned? it was still a sloppy move

Who doesn't know that? A whole horde of people on GameSpot, at least, as evidenced by the thread on that incident when it came up.

it was still a sloppy moveDecrate

What's your basis for this statement? Please, educate us on your knowledge of close air support ROEs and tactical procedures.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Because these documents are release on the World Wide web. That means if these documents show secret treaties or something that could offend other nations then we are going to have a problem. They are secret for a reason. Also this guy is releasing documents with names of government officials and officers in the military that had association with the war on terror; afghan, that could make them targets for terrorism. He's indirectly attacking us.bbkkristian

Maybe the government shouldn't have so many secrets then? Also this guy is the messenger, he isn't some spy or anything. Then how did he get this information? He was caught computer hacking at a young age but he wasn't prosecuted! He's given documents and he releases them the say way a news station would. The difference is, the news station would be sued by the government because they are releasing it documents they shouldn't be. He is NOT a U.S. citizens, infact i don't even know where his citizenship lies. If they're going to deal with someone they should deal with the guy who is leaking the information. Thats him... He is the owner of the website and is responsible for anything posted on there. And by threatening to release that "Poison Pill" document, I think that means that he has it.Thus far no one has died But People are in danger because of their names released on the file and their ties to Afghan and other operations. and as I said the pentagon doesn't think anyone will because of his actions. Just because Obama didn't say anything, doesn't mean the pentagon doesn't (no link...) Amazing how many people advocate the shooting of the messenger. He is the one that caught the public eye, didn't he? If he's the messenger, why am I not hearing this on the news or even on the internet?

Since he isn't a US citizen he probably couldn't even be charged under the Espionage Act, anyways. The "poison pill" may be a bluff, he said he would release it if he's detained by the US government, so who knows. But to say "WE MUST GET HIM BECAUSE HE WOULD RELEASE EVEN MORE DAMAGING STUFF IF WE GET HIM" shows you haven't thought your cunning idea all the way through.

So far the Pentagon has admitted no one has died because of the leaking of the War Logs. You want them to be charged with PRECRIMES, you're insane. People are already in danger because of the US foreign policy, how many innocent people have died since the wars started? Thousands and thousands more to come. If Wikileaks existed before 9/11, it's very possible that it could've been prevented. Despite what you may have read, the government was amply warned by it's analysts, it was only the incompetent bigwigs that were blindsided.

Wikileaks already has their new spokeman up and out there. If you strike one down, they become even more powerful than before.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/12/07/meet-the-new-public-face-of-wikileaks-kristinn-hrafnsson/?boxes=Homepagelighttop

Liking all these U.S. politicians calling for his execution

United States of America, where posting facts can get you killed!

DroidPhysX

is there a news link to this execution you guys speak of?

while it is true that people havent died yet, that doesnt mean it wont happen in the future

also, all of the stolen documents havent been released, more and more get posted each day which is also why some people havent been in immediate danger yet, its only a matter of time since they plan to release over 250,000 documents that the government is aware of

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Its surprises me how much american's are opposed to free speech.

Whatuptho

how is that free speech?

he didnt write the articles, they were STOLEN

are you telling me that if i hacked your personal accounts , myspace, facebook, photobucket etc. etc

as well as released your address, where you work, where you can be found, bank deposit boxes i can exercise that as FREE SPEECH??

You shouldn't bother, many people here throw the free speech thing around without actually putting it into context.

is there a news link to this execution you guys speak of?

while it is true that people havent died yet, that doesnt mean it wont happen in the future

also, all of the stolen documents havent been released, more and more get posted each day which is also why some people havent been in immediate danger yet, its only a matter of time since they plan to release over 250,000 documents that the government is aware of

Whatuptho

Looking at these post it is surprising how many american people are not outraged at what the government is doing in their name. Have you read the documents on wikileaks ??

There is nothing there that would put troops in danger only the politicians that cover things up or the currupt military co's. The govenment is supposed to serve the people not the other way around. Americans are very ignorant about what the government is doing. The stuff on wikileaks is tame I can spit on a couple seals or ex-75th that have stories we can't talk about. Just saying the name time and location is enough for those that know.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="darktx2005"] You aren't an American I assume, so you wouldn't understand the concept of American exceptionalism, freedom and liberty.darktx2005

I can't help but laugh at this. You can't honestly be that arrogant can you? I do know what freedom and liberty are as I live in a nation that is just as free, if not more so, than your nation (Canada). And "exceptionalism"? Really? What is so exceptional about the U.S.?

And that's where your wrong my friend, so terribly wrong.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You keep bringing that up and I checked into it and other than the UN claiming it's against treaties...which I've read and it's not in them...there is nothing I have seen that say it's illegal to spy on the UN. And since when I asked for you source you provided none...I'll have to go with what I read. thegerg

Yes.

Pathetic is what is happening. Where is the freedom of speech and right to know the truth? Blaming WikiLeaks for its potential "cause of deaths"? Are you kidding? What about all the death and destruction the govn'ment has brought on that nobody knows about? Pathetic...

Politics man, i tell you, what a joke! Some of those people go to church or whatever and praise God and then they turn around and do stuff against believes and constitutional rights...hypocrats...

Just release the man, you "eliminate" one but give birth to ten like him and then the usual statement "Everybody hates us, we are at global war..." Pathetic handling of the situation as i said already"

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"] ah no there isnt in fact i will be very disapointed if either the swedish government or the australlian governemnt allows this to happen (although i dont hold my breath after david hicks)thegerg

You're wrong, sorry. There are most certainly laws that, in some cases, that allow non-Us citizens to be subject to US law when they do not live in the US.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

You're wrong, sorry. There are most certainly laws that, in some cases, that allow non-Us citizens to be subject to US law when they do not live in the US.

thegerg

All US service members are subject to UCMJ at all times no matter where they are in the world.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

All US service members are subject to UCMJ at all times no matter where they are in the world.

thegerg

No, not all of them are US citizens.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Duly noted. How about laws that can be used against people who are not US service members. People who have no affiliation with the US at all.thegerg

If a non-US citizen living in Canada visits Buffalo one day and murders someone, that non-US citizen not living in the US is subject to US law.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

If a non-US citizen living in Canada visits Buffalo one day and murders someone, that non-US citizen not living in the US is subject to US law.

thegerg

That's a very different question than the first question that was asked and thew one which I answered. Visiting the US isn't really affiliating with the US, to affiliate with the US would be to build a close connection to the US or come into association with the US. I don't affiliate myself with every place that I visit. Also, the original question has nothing to with with simply affiliation with the US, but only citizenship and residency.

You keep asking different questions, that doesn't mean that I am dodging them.

thegerg

How about aliens who have never visited this galaxy. Does the US have juristiction over them?

So many of you are being pro fascist here, and you don't even know it.

Pathetic is what is happening. Where is the freedom of speech and right to know the truth? Blaming WikiLeaks for its potential "cause of deaths"?

EvilSelf

What does freedom of speech have to do with this? If I posted sensitive information about you on the internet and said freedom of speech that would really be stupid on my part.

So many of you are bing pro fascist here, and you don't even know it.

MasterC5

What's a bing pro fascist? Is that people who religiously avoid Google?

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

So many of you are bing pro fascist here, and you don't even know it.

Palantas

What's a bing pro fascist? Is that people who religiously avoid Google?

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"] ah no there isnt in fact i will be very disapointed if either the swedish government or the australlian governemnt allows this to happen (although i dont hold my breath after david hicks)testfactor888

You're wrong, sorry. There are most certainly laws that, in some cases, that allow non-Us citizens to be subject to US law when they do not live in the US.

[QUOTE="EvilSelf"]

Pathetic is what is happening. Where is the freedom of speech and right to know the truth? Blaming WikiLeaks for its potential "cause of deaths"?

Espada12

What does freedom of speech have to do with this? If I posted sensitive information about you on the internet and said freedom of speech that would really be stupid on my part.

No, it would be stupid on my part doing something that should not have been done and then hiding it. Maybe i should have said "freedom to know the truth" whether it is by speech or any other form. If you are afraid that something might be used against you then dont do it or lie about it or hide it! Anyway, it was a generalized statement, which draws its own specific explanation to anybody that understands what is going on.

I find it disturbing that certain people in this thread believe America has a right and obligation to try Assange. He's not even a US citizen -_-

In any case, what Assasnge has done is great and I support any future acts of this sort. Any further attempts by the Gestapo to silence the champions of truth should be met with violent resistance.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="EvilSelf"]

Pathetic is what is happening. Where is the freedom of speech and right to know the truth? Blaming WikiLeaks for its potential "cause of deaths"?

EvilSelf

What does freedom of speech have to do with this? If I posted sensitive information about you on the internet and said freedom of speech that would really be stupid on my part.

No, it would be stupid on my part doing something that should not have been done and then hiding it. Maybe i should have said "freedom to know the truth" whether it is by speech or any other form. If you are afraid that something might be used against you then dont do it or lie about it or hide it! Anyway, it was a generalized statement, which draws its own specific explanation to anybody that understands what is going on.

My statement refers to your personal information, CC numbers, Social security etc etc... it doesn't have to be something you did "wrong". Freedom to know the truth is already in place with the CIA declassifying documents every so often, however posting sensitive information that could harm relations between the US and other countries in the present is ridiculous and we gain nothing but knowing these facts.

I find it disturbing that certain people in this thread believe America has a right and obligation to try Assange. He's not even a US citizen -_-

In any case, what Assasnge has done is great and I support any future acts of this sort. Any further attempts by the Gestapo to silence the champions of truth should be met with violent resistance.

Choga

Champions of truth? Please tell me what lie did assange finally reveal to us?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

I find it disturbing that certain people in this thread believe America has a right and obligation to try Assange. He's not even a US citizen -_-

In any case, what Assasnge has done is great and I support any future acts of this sort. Any further attempts by the Gestapo to silence the champions of truth should be met with violent resistance.

Espada12

Champions of truth? Please tell me what lie did assange finally reveal to us?

The content of what was revealed is irrelevant. It's the principal of transparency that matters.

To start with I am British, living in the UK.

I have read upto around page 5, and, wow, some people on here need to freaking chill, execute him? YOU DO NOT POLICE THE WORLD despite your government and your President thinking itthey havethe god given right to. Everyone with a ounce of sense knows this trumped up rape accusation is nothing more than a vicarious method of having Mr Assage deported from the UK to either Sweden, then America, or directly to America. The actual case, as far as I am aware, was only made public after the start of the story about WikiLeaks and these secret documents it was publishing, untill that point it appeared that there were no plans to further the rape case in Sweden.

The actual case against him, is, I think I am right in saying, specific to Swedish laws concerning consensual sex and theconsent to use (or not use) protection during intercourse. I think I read a post that said if the condom burstthey must have stoppedfor the woman accusingMr Assange to have told him not to continue, but it is also possible they were actual in the act, so to speak, and he may well havesimply not heard. This is, as far asI amm aware, a civil law matter andwould not as people have mentioned require him being put on INTERPOL'slist of wantedcriminals, which makes you wonder why, for a case that, while serious in nature, is notas serious assome crimes that could be committed, has had Mr Assangeput on the top of Interpol's "Most Wanted".

As for what has been leaked, are you people serious? The information leaked thus far has done nothing more than p**s off a few diplomats and show that what they say in public is, more often than not, the polar opposite of what is said in private. The leaked documents are an embarrassment to those diplomats named, because it shows them to be two faced liars, that ridicule, mock and insult so called allies, and if there is any damage caused it is minimal as most of what has been published is being ignored, or simply dismissed out of hand which makes you wonder, why such a fuss is being made out of these leaks anyway, after all there is nothing of significance being released into the public domain, other than a few off colour comments said in private.

Reading some of the comments here it is easy to understand why others have a dislike or even a hatred for America, Americans and their government, personally it's the internet so I don't take it seriously. I support Jullian Assange/Wikileaks and what they are trying to do, and I believe in, not only freedom of speech but the freedom of information.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

I find it disturbing that certain people in this thread believe America has a right and obligation to try Assange. He's not even a US citizen -_-

In any case, what Assasnge has done is great and I support any future acts of this sort. Any further attempts by the Gestapo to silence the champions of truth should be met with violent resistance.

Choga

Champions of truth? Please tell me what lie did assange finally reveal to us?

The content of what was revealed is irrelevant. It's the principal of transparency that matters.

Transparency is in place already since the CIA has to declassify documents after a certain period of time... and the contents are relevant. Quick question, you find out what the CIA is doing.. now what?

http://www.foia.cia.gov/

There if you want transparency go and search something.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Champions of truth? Please tell me what lie did assange finally reveal to us?

Espada12

The content of what was revealed is irrelevant. It's the principal of transparency that matters.

Transparency is in place already since the CIA has to declassify documents after a certain period of time... and the contents are relevant. Quick question, you find out what the CIA is doing.. now what?

The CIA releases information many many years into the future, when the effects of their crimes have already been felt. If the public knew exactly how clownish our government is behind closed doors, it might put pressure on the government to change its ways.