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What do you not understand about Obama? He's answered his policy and how he wants to achieve them in regards to just about every topic asked, I don't agree with some of ideas, but I at least understand everything he hopes to achieve and how. What needs clarification for you, what was he unclear about?DaJuicyMan

These debates are such a joke though. It's telling that there's more intellectually stimulating conversation on OT (I think I threw up a little when I typed that) than during a presidential debate. I really wish there was a panel of truthiness or something sitting there calling out all the bull **** both sides sling.Ace6301

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Right. The goverment doesn't have the power to influence the private sectors.

FrozenLiquid

They helped deliver the nation.FrozenLiquid

The United States was successful in their revolution since the French did agree to help them after proving their worth but also, the British Empire was unpopular with the rest of Europe so it was easier for France (when it was a monarchy) to help the American Revolution.

I can understand the sense of betrayal but people need to be realistic about this. Almost every European country that was a monarchy declared war on France and while there were Americans who wanted to help, it wasn't feasible since the American military wouldn't hold their own against the military might of Britain, Spain, and the Prussian Empire (now Germany). Also, the French Revolution was bloody and ended up as tyrannical, to a point where the French were willing to kill their own ambassador when he failed to persuade the United States to help the Revolutionaries and when Thomas Paine was arrested in France.

Simply put, the new nation couldn't afford it. We wanted neutrality so badly that Thomas Jefferson managed to get the government to purchase the Louisiana Territory to avoid a future war in the Americas (this was when Napoleon Bonaparte was going ape on everyone else) and that was seen as unconstitutional since there was nothing on acquiring terrority. Again, I don't think it was a matter of selfishness, it was a matter of practicality.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] Because there are these things called state and local taxes over which the federal government has no power and which could have been responsible for his observed heightened tax rate.Abbeten

... as I never tire of saying, the plural of anecdote is not data.Abbeten

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]These debates are such a joke though. It's telling that there's more intellectually stimulating conversation on OT (I think I threw up a little when I typed that) than during a presidential debate. I really wish there was a panel of truthiness or something sitting there calling out all the bull **** both sides sling.El_Zo1212o

Kinda funny coz I am Catholic, and yes, we are the last stand against abortion and liberal sexuality. In fact, it looks like Catholicism is going to take an even greater stance and become even louder on the idea of pre-marital sex and divorce the root of all sexual liberation in the 20th century. The push for gay marriage legalization is incredibly stupid. In New Zealand, we have a Civil Union Bill, which gives all the same rights to homosexuals (and heterosexuals who don't want a marriage) under New Zealand law. And yet, we've had a massive swing in passing into law gay marriage', which doesn't give gay couples any more rights than they already have under a civil union. How many times in history has something passed into law which doesn't effect any citizen whatsoever? If there is a number, it will be incredibly small.FrozenLiquid

My opinion is this: If youre against gay marriage- you don't like gay people. How could I believe anything else? Think about how many times youve heard this: "Oh no, I have so many gay friends, I dont hate gay people" But you dont want them to marry.What the f*ck kind of friendship is that? You want to have something they can't have.

My opinion is this: If youre against gay marriage- you don't like gay people. How could I believe anything else? Think about how many times youve heard this: "Oh no, I have so many gay friends, I dont hate gay people" But you dont want them to marry.What the f*ck kind of friendship is that? You want to have something they can't have.

Shmiity

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

My opinion is this: If youre against gay marriage- you don't like gay people. How could I believe anything else? Think about how many times youve heard this: "Oh no, I have so many gay friends, I dont hate gay people" But you dont want them to marry.What the f*ck kind of friendship is that? You want to have something they can't have.

El_Zo1212o

Exactly. And like everything else, you are probably also wrong on those issues but stubbornly choose to believe that its the right position.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

My opinion is this: If youre against gay marriage- you don't like gay people. How could I believe anything else? Think about how many times youve heard this: "Oh no, I have so many gay friends, I dont hate gay people" But you dont want them to marry.What the f*ck kind of friendship is that? You want to have something they can't have.

El_Zo1212o

I'm so curious why you were originally against it.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I was against gay marriage. I was against it right up until they passed it here in California and I realized, "who gives a f***?" It didn't affect me in the slightest, so what the hell was I so worried about?Shmiity

I'm so curious why you were originally against it.

Exactly. And like everything else, you are probably also wrong on those issues but stubbornly choose to believe that its the right position.XaosII

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

My opinion is this: If youre against gay marriage- you don't like gay people. How could I believe anything else? Think about how many times youve heard this: "Oh no, I have so many gay friends, I dont hate gay people" But you dont want them to marry.What the f*ck kind of friendship is that? You want to have something they can't have.

El_Zo1212o

I think these guys are full of crap to a ridiculous degree. It's as if they think the truth would hurt them and it ended up as a competition as to who could say more BS than the other guy. There were even a few cases where I think the truth might have helped them and still we got BS.

From my viewpoint lies, more lies and damn lies. Though Obama round-housed Romney with the last question and last shots of him mingling with the audince while Romney was slumped talking to his family scores this toward Obama. Overall I still don't want to vote for either.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

I hope someone presses Romney on gay rights just to see him squirm.

LJS9502_basic

I still believe homosexuality isn't natural El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural SteveTabernacle

I can't stand Obama. I just don't like the guy. Don't know if it's the ears, the voice or the bullcrap, but I can't stand him. I like how he gave Romney crap for being rich- like all governors/presidents weren't rich? Obama's loaded too!

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural DevilMightCry

I hope someone presses Romney on gay rights just to see him squirm.

Aljosa23

In other news, Jill Stein was arrested.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"] Factually incorrect, homosexual behavior is found all throughout nature.Ace6301

In other news, Jill Stein was arrested.

BossPerson

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]See, I totally expect both candidates to dodge some questions, but the one about his tax plan really fvcking pissed me off. We deserved an actual answer to the question by Romney.airshocker

Cry more about it. People didn't die because of the "sketchy" tax plan.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural DevilMightCry

Homosexuality has been found to occur in hundreds of species its by no means a very very small number.

saw this and thought it was hillarious.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural DevilMightCry

Humans are part of nature.

Anything that humans do is natural.

Humans do homosexual things.

Therefore homosexuality is natural.

Also if you don't like unnatural things get off your computer.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"] Factually incorrect, homosexual behavior is found all throughout nature.Ace6301

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Finding a very very small number of examples in terms of percentage does not make it "natural". Also engaging in homesexual/lesbian intercourse does not make someone a homosexual/lesbian.AdamPA1006

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

there is also cannibalism and constant murder in nature

The point is you can't say something bad because it is unnatural.

It's not the entire western world. In fact, it's only a small part of the European Union. I hoped that Portugal would allude you to the greater problem the West is facing. You know, the one where we have to hear almost every other day about Greece, Spain, or Italy. And I'm just providing examples of some of the more well known EU markets. Living in NZ, our currency has soared to astronomical levels, which will not be sustainable in the near future as the global economy keeps fluctuating. We just voted in our Prime Minister and his party last year, and less than a year later we're sick of him. I'm also just talking about economic issues. Social issues are on the news every other day; it's as if the governments, no matter what political alignment, can never appease the people. None of this is normal. None of this level of unrest has been seen for a very, very long time. But hey, more funny pics and witty comments will magically dispel the problems, amirite?FrozenLiquid

Except the west is not having the problem that Portugal is facing. You pointed out a weaker western country that DOES NOT have the power to issue its own currency and is in a far worse predicament than the west as a whole - same with Greece, Spain, and Italy. You clearly haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about, but please don't allow that to dissuade you. I need a little laughter.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Finding a very very small number of examples in terms of percentage does not make it "natural". Also engaging in homesexual/lesbian intercourse does not make someone a homosexual/lesbian.AdamPA1006

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Finding a very very small number of examples in terms of percentage does not make it "natural". Also engaging in homesexual/lesbian intercourse does not make someone a homosexual/lesbian.AdamPA1006

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I still believe homosexuality isn't natural DevilMightCry

Go fvck yourself.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I find it kind of ironic when people use "it's not natural" as an excuse for something while using a computer to talk to people several thousand kilometers away. I mean it sounds like something a hippie would say "It's not natural, maaaaan" while discussing one of those newfangled combustible automogos.-Sun_Tzu-

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb4UHFlzvpo

LOL

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Finding a very very small number of examples in terms of percentage does not make it "natural". Also engaging in homesexual/lesbian intercourse does not make someone a homosexual/lesbian.AdamPA1006

So its "natural". People claim to be born with sexual attraction to kids, animals, and their brothers/sisters. Just because you believe its "natural" and they were "born that way" doesnt mean society has to accept it, endorse it, or promote it. There is incest in nature.

Those 4 Americans are practically in enemy territory...tocool340

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Those 4 Americans are practically in enemy territory...El_Zo1212o