Debate: The legalization of marijuana

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#101 ss_713
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I think people should be allowed to posses/grow small amounts for personal consumption.

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#102 dadafeig
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[QUOTE="dadafeig"][QUOTE="GTA3_Darkel"][QUOTE="laraza7682300"]

[QUOTE="megagene"]I cannot put it more simply. If alcohol is legal, marijuana should be legal.Belisarius-9

I agree with him:)


I agree too. At least when marijuana is legal, it will be sold more securely and with more restrictions so that not everyone will get one. (like alcohol, tobacco) Also, the money will goto the government and not to the corrupt drug dealers on the street.

Isn't that pretty much the same?



Nice, but not in a socialist society.

Explain?

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#103 -katamarina-
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I don't think it should be legalized. If it were to be legalized, then next thing you know... druggies are gonna want other drugs legalized.
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#104 Nameless3
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I don't think it should be legalized. If it were to be legalized, then next thing you know... druggies are gonna want other drugs legalized.-katamarina-
Actually in countrys where it's been legalized, use of other drugs has dropped as well.
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#105 Belisarius-9
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[QUOTE="Belisarius-9"][QUOTE="dadafeig"][QUOTE="GTA3_Darkel"][QUOTE="laraza7682300"]

[QUOTE="megagene"]I cannot put it more simply. If alcohol is legal, marijuana should be legal.dadafeig

I agree with him:)


I agree too. At least when marijuana is legal, it will be sold more securely and with more restrictions so that not everyone will get one. (like alcohol, tobacco) Also, the money will goto the government and not to the corrupt drug dealers on the street.

Isn't that pretty much the same?



Nice, but not in a socialist society.

Explain?



I was simply referring to the fact that if a country were socialist, a lot of the money would be going to the people. Nothing really serious.
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#106 maximusmmii
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[QUOTE="megagene"]I cannot put it more simply. If alcohol is legal, marijuana should be legal.Roland1987
I don't like this arguement (it is very common). Just because one bad thign is legal, doesnt mean we should legalize another. Alcohol creates an obscene amount of problems, why legalize somethign else that will cause problems. Is weed more or less dangerous then alcohol? That's debateable, but it is clear that neither are good. Obviously making alcohol illeagal won't happen, but why allow somethign else that doesnt benefit anyone (the memory thing is debatable, one peice of research says its good, three say its bad, then a new one comes up saying its bad, then another rebuttes that, it is ongoing, there isnt enough known about long term effects, or even short term to make a definitive statment). If weed is made legal then why not other drugs? It's a slippery slope and legalizing it isn't goign to benfit anyone. I don't care what people say, weed doesn't benefit anyone, there may be reserch sayign it helps one thing but there is just as much sayign the opposite.



is alcohol more dangerous than marijuana? yes it, is much more dangerous.  firslty  let's look at the short term risks involved with both:  marijuana carries  no  risk  of  overdose  and  does  not  impair  judgment and motor skills as dramatically as alcohol, while it is easy to lethally overdose on alcohol and thousands of people die from accidents caused by drunk driving. alcohol is physically addictive while marijuana is not. long-term alcohol abuse can often results in liver damage, among other things, while long long-term marijuana use has not been shown to bear any long-term health risks. while marijuana smoke has been shown to contain more carcinogens than cigarette smoke, there have been no documented cases of lung cancer that have resulted from marijuana smoke alone.

since marijuana would be a substitute good for alcohol, if it were legalized, demand for marijuana would increase while demand for alcohol, a more dangerous drug, would decrease.
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#107 -Sora
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no it should not be legalized, it smells like crap.
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#108 knife_prty
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It's easy enough to get illegaly and you have to be an idiot to get caught. Legalizing it would take away from the thrill of doing something you know is against the law as well.
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#109 deactivated-5c47d700b56ab
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for my re-reply.....where would all of the marjuana drug dealers go? that are in jail? back out? or what?
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[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Marijuanna, pot, mary jane, whatever-you-want-to-call-it should be legalized in the U.S. and taxed! I haven't smoked it in years, but I know for a fact that it's much less dangerous and non-addicitve compared to alcohol. Conservatives think it's the devil drug since it makes them paranoid when they get high, lol... sissy lightweights - haha!

Also, I've seen some of the new anti-marijuanna ad campaigns launched by "the anti-drug" here in the U.S. That is the biggest bunch of b.s. I've ever heard. They say that smoking marijuanna daily leads to a lack of motivation and anti-socialness... well, the same can be said about playing video games everyday! Drinking daily, on the other hand, can lead to blackouts, violent outbursts, and even death. But, you never see any anti-alcohol ads on TV or in mags, do ya!!!brianpoetzel

I see about 10 anti drunk driving ads per day.



That's different. Driving high has gotten me in accidents too--like curb checking and messin up my rims! What you don't see are anti-alcohol commercials that involve someone sittin in their house all day taking shots of vodka, losing their jobs, house, wife, kids, etc... and then blacking out and choking on their own vomit. How about someone who drinks continuously and then beats the **** out of their wife and kids--I'd like to see some more of that on TV, as opposed to some sob story such as "pot makes me unmotivated, lazy, and stupid!" I believe... actually I wish pot was legal in the U.S. in designated bars such as in Amsterdam. Hell, if they legalized pot in only certain cities, such as Las Vegas, I'd be happy with that.

P.S.: people under the influence of alcohol tend to speed and hug the center of the road, while people who are high drive normal speeds or slower and hug the curb. Proven fact.
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#111 Verigar
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Legalize it,don't critisize it!
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[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Marijuanna, pot, mary jane, whatever-you-want-to-call-it should be legalized in the U.S. and taxed! I haven't smoked it in years, but I know for a fact that it's much less dangerous and non-addicitve compared to alcohol. Conservatives think it's the devil drug since it makes them paranoid when they get high, lol... sissy lightweights - haha!

Also, I've seen some of the new anti-marijuanna ad campaigns launched by "the anti-drug" here in the U.S. That is the biggest bunch of b.s. I've ever heard. They say that smoking marijuanna daily leads to a lack of motivation and anti-socialness... well, the same can be said about playing video games everyday! Drinking daily, on the other hand, can lead to blackouts, violent outbursts, and even death. But, you never see any anti-alcohol ads on TV or in mags, do ya!!!LiLsLashy

I see about 10 anti drunk driving ads per day.



That's different. Driving high has gotten me in accidents too--like curb checking and messin up my rims! What you don't see are anti-alcohol commercials that involve someone sittin in their house all day taking shots of vodka, losing their jobs, house, wife, kids, etc... and then blacking out and choking on their own vomit. How about someone who drinks continuously and then beats the **** out of their wife and kids--I'd like to see some more of that on TV, as opposed to some sob story such as "pot makes me unmotivated, lazy, and stupid!" I believe... actually I wish pot was legal in the U.S. in designated bars such as in Amsterdam. Hell, if they legalized pot in only certain cities, such as Las Vegas, I'd be happy with that.

P.S.: people under the influence of alcohol tend to speed and hug the center of the road, while people who are high drive normal speeds or slower and hug the curb. Proven fact.

Didn't they do that for Denver last year?

Anyway, if anyone wants to do something to help the cause for legalization check out NORML.COM

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#113 mr_6ixer
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Why would I need weed when my Anti-Depressants are working for me:?
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[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"]

[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Marijuanna, pot, mary jane, whatever-you-want-to-call-it should be legalized in the U.S. and taxed! I haven't smoked it in years, but I know for a fact that it's much less dangerous and non-addicitve compared to alcohol. Conservatives think it's the devil drug since it makes them paranoid when they get high, lol... sissy lightweights - haha!

Also, I've seen some of the new anti-marijuanna ad campaigns launched by "the anti-drug" here in the U.S. That is the biggest bunch of b.s. I've ever heard. They say that smoking marijuanna daily leads to a lack of motivation and anti-socialness... well, the same can be said about playing video games everyday! Drinking daily, on the other hand, can lead to blackouts, violent outbursts, and even death. But, you never see any anti-alcohol ads on TV or in mags, do ya!!!LiLsLashy

I see about 10 anti drunk driving ads per day.



That's different. Driving high has gotten me in accidents too--like curb checking and messin up my rims! What you don't see are anti-alcohol commercials that involve someone sittin in their house all day taking shots of vodka, losing their jobs, house, wife, kids, etc... and then blacking out and choking on their own vomit. How about someone who drinks continuously and then beats the **** out of their wife and kids--I'd like to see some more of that on TV, as opposed to some sob story such as "pot makes me unmotivated, lazy, and stupid!" I believe... actually I wish pot was legal in the U.S. in designated bars such as in Amsterdam. Hell, if they legalized pot in only certain cities, such as Las Vegas, I'd be happy with that.

P.S.: people under the influence of alcohol tend to speed and hug the center of the road, while people who are high drive normal speeds or slower and hug the curb. Proven fact.

I've seen comercials like that for under age drinking too.

To all:

Do you guys realize that in an attempt to make pot look better your demonizing alcohol? You're fighting against stereotypes and generalizations on pot but then you apply them to booze. No, not everyone who smokes pot will be like those commercials. But a few will. Just like not everyone who drinks also drives or abuses their family. But some do. It all comes down to responsible use and personal responsibility for things done under the influence.

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#115 chicken008
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Probably, worse things are legal. I don't think it matters, the same amount of people will smoke it legal or not.
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#116 greeneye59
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Yeah......I thought a decrease in drug users was our main goal.  Not an increase. 
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#117 LJS9502_basic
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Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.
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Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.LJS9502_basic
NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.
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#119 branketra
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I cannot put it more simply. If alcohol is legal, marijuana should be legal.megagene
Marijuana is in the same position that alcohol was during the prohibition, only there's along lot more money involved. Same with Cocaine. I'm not saying that Cocaine should be used as a drug, I'm saying that the government is making a lot of money because it's illegal than most people realise.
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#120 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.NavigatorsGhost
NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits.  Doctors recommend a glass or two a day.  What health benefits does smoking anything entail? 

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test.  Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side.  If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal.  As I said......that argument fails.  Period.

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#121  Edited By branketra
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[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.LJS9502_basic

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits. Doctors recommend a glass or two a day. What health benefits does smoking anything entail?

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test. Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side. If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal. As I said......that argument fails. Period.

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#122 Nameless3
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Yeah......I thought a decrease in drug users was our main goal.  Not an increase.  greeneye59
Every country that has legalized it has seen a drop in its use, as well as use of other drugs.
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it's already been legalized where i live (in Denver), however state laws still override city ordinances. however, an initiative on the november ballot would legalize up to an ounce statewide for anyone 21 and over. i suppose it has a decent chance of passing, but i'm not counting on it. not that it really matters. anyone can get high whether its legal or not. and its pretty easy to not get busted unless you're a moron.
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#124 Nameless3
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it's already been legalized where i live (in Denver), however state laws still override city ordinances. however, an initiative on the november ballot would legalize up to an ounce statewide for anyone 21 and over. i suppose it has a decent chance of passing, but i'm not counting on it. not that it really matters. anyone can get high whether its legal or not. and its pretty easy to not get busted unless you're a moron.
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This is one of the bigger reasons it needs to be legalized; it's incredibly easy to get despite being illegal, and the money that goes into it fuels the black market. We need to legalize it so the money will go to businesses and the goverment.
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no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it.
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#126 romocop33
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[QUOTE="romocop33"]it's already been legalized where i live (in Denver), however state laws still override city ordinances. however, an initiative on the november ballot would legalize up to an ounce statewide for anyone 21 and over. i suppose it has a decent chance of passing, but i'm not counting on it. not that it really matters. anyone can get high whether its legal or not. and its pretty easy to not get busted unless you're a moron.
Nameless3
This is one of the bigger reasons it needs to be legalized; it's incredibly easy to get despite being illegal, and the money that goes into it fuels the black market. We need to legalize it so the money will go to businesses and the goverment.


i don't know about that. i for one don't buy the whole "buying drugs funds terrorists" propaganda. the vast majority of pot around here is grown locally by some hippies. and i think the last thing we need is corporations getting involved, as they pretty much run everything else anyway. and if it is legalized, i imagine the government would tax the hell out of it.
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#127 Nameless3
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[QUOTE="Nameless3"][QUOTE="romocop33"]it's already been legalized where i live (in Denver), however state laws still override city ordinances. however, an initiative on the november ballot would legalize up to an ounce statewide for anyone 21 and over. i suppose it has a decent chance of passing, but i'm not counting on it. not that it really matters. anyone can get high whether its legal or not. and its pretty easy to not get busted unless you're a moron.
romocop33
This is one of the bigger reasons it needs to be legalized; it's incredibly easy to get despite being illegal, and the money that goes into it fuels the black market. We need to legalize it so the money will go to businesses and the goverment.


i don't know about that. i for one don't buy the whole "buying drugs funds terrorists" propaganda. the vast majority of pot around here is grown locally by some hippies. and i think the last thing we need is corporations getting involved, as they pretty much run everything else anyway. and if it is legalized, i imagine the government would tax the hell out of it.

You're right it is bs, buying heroin used to fund terrorists in afganistan, but not anymore, but alot of money from marijuana goes to things like gangs which fuel crime, and legalizing it would give certain people less money both from this and other drugs becouse the overall usage of drugs would decrease, but I wouldn't mind the goverment taxing it, after all, it would be better quality and cleaner, so that would make up for it.
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no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. RPG-er
Exactly, and less younger people would use it.
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[QUOTE="RPG-er"]no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. Nameless3
Exactly, and less younger people would use it.

No.....both cigarettes and alcohol are legal...but have age limits.  This does NOT stop younger people from using it.  That argument is baseless.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.BranKetra

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits.  Doctors recommend a glass or two a day.  What health benefits does smoking anything entail? 

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test.  Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side.  If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal.  As I said......that argument fails.  Period.

It may not occur with everyone that smokes it, but after I smoked for 3 years straight almost every single day, all day, it changed the way my brain works. Not in a negative way either. I do admit that I was a victim of the A-motivational syndrome of an on while smoking it all the time, but after I cut off completely for 2 months, I still have the same thought process as if I were "high," just not to the same extent since the THC filtered out. I can hear the thoughts of others around me when I barely even focus as long as I concentrate on thinking , whereas when high I could hear others thoughts without even focusing (so much so that I had to calm down off smoking it, I could be playing a game and hear people I've met having conversations).

 Believe what you want from this post, I know it as truth and have even verified occurences with close friends of mine, so I don't need to believe. Then again, 8 or 9 times of tripping mushrooms with an eighth of cylobin packed mushrooms each time COULD have something to do with it too, but I think that marijuana has not had any lesser of an effect that the shrooms on my mind, or even an equivalent for that matter.

Lol am I reading that right?

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[QUOTE="RPG-er"]no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. Nameless3
Exactly, and less younger people would use it.

Make it legal tax it to death and use the money to teach kids more about drugs and use the money on the bigger drug wars.

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[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.LJS9502_basic

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits.  Doctors recommend a glass or two a day.  What health benefits does smoking anything entail? 

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test.  Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side.  If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal.  As I said......that argument fails.  Period.

What health benefit does smokeing one cigarette give you? None. Is it legal? yes. Why do you care what people smoke or ingest in their body as long as they don't hurt you or anyone else? Stop being a hypocrit.
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[QUOTE="Nameless3"][QUOTE="RPG-er"]no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. LJS9502_basic

Exactly, and less younger people would use it.

No.....both cigarettes and alcohol are legal...but have age limits.  This does NOT stop younger people from using it.  That argument is baseless.

That is true. But what's stoping kids from using pot now? With or with out it being legalized, kids are using it. The only reason Pot of illegal is because of Social taboo, when in reality it's side effects are exagerated. It's "legal" counterparts are far more dangerous. I've yet to hear a legitame reason why the government can make some substances "legal" and other like pot illegal.
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#134 Belisarius-9
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[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.Donkey_Puncher

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits. Doctors recommend a glass or two a day. What health benefits does smoking anything entail?

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test. Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side. If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal. As I said......that argument fails. Period.

What health benefit does smokeing one cigarette give you? None. Is it legal? yes. Why do you care what people smoke or ingest in their body as long as they don't hurt you or anyone else? Stop being a hypocrit.



It does have its health benefits, it makes you happier.
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#135 kingman03
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I hate these topics because it's always full if ignorant morons who have no idea what the effects of marijuana do to people. They think it's the most devilish drug on earth.
"I would never smoke because I am a good boy and good boys don't smoke..." crap.
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#136 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.Donkey_Puncher

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits.  Doctors recommend a glass or two a day.  What health benefits does smoking anything entail? 

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test.  Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side.  If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal.  As I said......that argument fails.  Period.

What health benefit does smokeing one cigarette give you? None. Is it legal? yes. Why do you care what people smoke or ingest in their body as long as they don't hurt you or anyone else? Stop being a hypocrit.

I don't care....if you read my inital statement I didn't say yay or nay.  I said using the alcohol argument is pointless and does not further one's argument.  Then I stated that alcohol has health benefits.  At no time did I mention cigarettes as being healthy.  Show me where that makes me a hyprocrit?  You can't because I'm not.

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#137 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Nameless3"][QUOTE="RPG-er"]no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. Donkey_Puncher

Exactly, and less younger people would use it.

No.....both cigarettes and alcohol are legal...but have age limits.  This does NOT stop younger people from using it.  That argument is baseless.

That is true. But what's stoping kids from using pot now? With or with out it being legalized, kids are using it. The only reason Pot of illegal is because of Social taboo, when in reality it's side effects are exagerated. It's "legal" counterparts are far more dangerous. I've yet to hear a legitame reason why the government can make some substances "legal" and other like pot illegal.

*sigh* You are having difficulty understanding today and you're usually so good.  As stated above I pointed out that statement about legalizing it IN REGARD TO UNDERAGE USERS was baseless since legal products have an age limit. K?

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#138 kingman03
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.LJS9502_basic

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits. Doctors recommend a glass or two a day. What health benefits does smoking anything entail?

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test. Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side. If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal. As I said......that argument fails. Period.

What health benefit does smokeing one cigarette give you? None. Is it legal? yes. Why do you care what people smoke or ingest in their body as long as they don't hurt you or anyone else? Stop being a hypocrit.

I don't care....if you read my inital statement I didn't say yay or nay. I said using the alcohol argument is pointless and does not further one's argument. Then I stated that alcohol has health benefits. At no time did I mention cigarettes as being healthy. Show me where that makes me a hyprocrit? You can't because I'm not.

Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
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#139 LJS9502_basic
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 Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
kingman03

Do you even read the posts before responding?  Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote?  I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use.  It's pointless to argue.  I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason.  I'm not going over the topic again.  Read the posts.  It's in plain English.

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#140 LiLsLashy
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another foolish argument where decrying alcohol is the only reason marijuana smokers can come up with as a legitimate reason for legalization. Therefore, you all fail...fail...fail.BranKetra

NO that is wrong. The main reason why people don't want it legalized is because they think it is a dangerous, harmful drug. The point is that people who want it legalized point out that it is less harmful than alcohol, which it is. It is a legitimate point. Plus the US government doesn't want to admit that it is wrong.

Alcohol used in moderation has health benefits. Doctors recommend a glass or two a day. What health benefits does smoking anything entail?

By the way, the alcohol argument reminds me of kids that want to do something....when told they can't...they say Johnny's allowed....or Bob got a lower score on the test. Meh....whining about what other things/people do or don't do does not win the argument for your side. If you want to legalize marijuana....you need valid reasons WHY it should be legal....not invalid reasons WHY something else should not be legal. As I said......that argument fails. Period.

It may not occur with everyone that smokes it, but after I smoked for 3 years straight almost every single day, all day, it changed the way my brain works. Not in a negative way either. I do admit that I was a victim of the A-motivational syndrome of an on while smoking it all the time, but after I cut off completely for 2 months, I still have the same thought process as if I were "high," just not to the same extent since the THC filtered out. I can hear the thoughts of others around me when I barely even focus as long as I concentrate on thinking , whereas when high I could hear others thoughts without even focusing (so much so that I had to calm down off smoking it, I could be playing a game and hear people I've met having conversations).

Believe what you want from this post, I know it as truth and have even verified occurences with close friends of mine, so I don't need to believe. Then again, 8 or 9 times of tripping mushrooms with an eighth of cylobin packed mushrooms each time COULD have something to do with it too, but I think that marijuana has not had any lesser of an effect that the shrooms on my mind, or even an equivalent for that matter.



I smoked pot everyday for 2-3 years straight, from age 15-18. The lingering effects of smoking that much go away in about six months to a year tops. I quit smoking pot not because it destroyed my life, but because I started to feel like I had a minor cold all the time. I didn't smoke any pot for two years after that, at which point I started up again and smoked less than 50x my sophmore year of college and experienced no detrimental effects. My grades remained unaffected, and I have since quit after only revisiting the drug for a few months.


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#141 kingman03
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[QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
LJS9502_basic

Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.

lmao, do you not remember what you typed? "What health benefits does smoking anything entail?" Yeah, you. You typed that. I responded by saying... "yes it does have health benefits" I did not say what kind, but I did state it has both pros and cons. And no, we aren't talking cigs here. We are staying on topic with marijuana. And yes, it being legal would only do good things. Bye, bye black-market. You can kiss your 10,000% profit goodbye.
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#142 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
kingman03

Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.

lmao, do you not remember what you typed? "What health benefits does smoking anything entail?" Yeah, you. You typed that. I responded by saying... "yes it does have health benefits" I did not say what kind, but I did state it has both pros and cons. And no, we aren't talking cigs here. We are staying on topic with marijuana. And yes, it being legal would only do good things. Bye, bye black-market. You can kiss your 10,000% profit goodbye.

Marijuana does not, in fact, provide health benefits.

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#143 kingman03
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[QUOTE="kingman03"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
LJS9502_basic

Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.

lmao, do you not remember what you typed? "What health benefits does smoking anything entail?" Yeah, you. You typed that. I responded by saying... "yes it does have health benefits" I did not say what kind, but I did state it has both pros and cons. And no, we aren't talking cigs here. We are staying on topic with marijuana. And yes, it being legal would only do good things. Bye, bye black-market. You can kiss your 10,000% profit goodbye.

Marijuana does not, in fact, provide health benefits.

Ignorance. There is over 1,000 people who grow it MEDICALLY. Health benefits? Yeah...there is.
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#144 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kingman03"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
kingman03

Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.

lmao, do you not remember what you typed? "What health benefits does smoking anything entail?" Yeah, you. You typed that. I responded by saying... "yes it does have health benefits" I did not say what kind, but I did state it has both pros and cons. And no, we aren't talking cigs here. We are staying on topic with marijuana. And yes, it being legal would only do good things. Bye, bye black-market. You can kiss your 10,000% profit goodbye.

Marijuana does not, in fact, provide health benefits.

Ignorance. There is over 1,000 people who grow it MEDICALLY. Health benefits? Yeah...there is.

I'm speaking of the non prescription variety.  It's already legal with a prescription junior.

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#145 kingman03
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[QUOTE="kingman03"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kingman03"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
LJS9502_basic

Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.

lmao, do you not remember what you typed? "What health benefits does smoking anything entail?" Yeah, you. You typed that. I responded by saying... "yes it does have health benefits" I did not say what kind, but I did state it has both pros and cons. And no, we aren't talking cigs here. We are staying on topic with marijuana. And yes, it being legal would only do good things. Bye, bye black-market. You can kiss your 10,000% profit goodbye.

Marijuana does not, in fact, provide health benefits.

Ignorance. There is over 1,000 people who grow it MEDICALLY. Health benefits? Yeah...there is.

I'm speaking of the non prescription variety. It's already legal with a prescription junior.

So, it's ok to send someone to jail for 38 years for a plant that is (which you already agreed with me) nearly harmless? Pffft, I see this country straying in the right direction /sarcasm.
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#146 LJS9502_basic
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As I stated earlier....I'm not interested in this debate. I just don't like the alcohol excuse. Please be more original when anticipating a discussion where one wishes to sway others to their way of thinking. You have not convinced me of anything. You don't bring up any facts. As for the 38 years.....that would be some major marijuana and not a first or even second offense.
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#147 Nameless3
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[QUOTE="Nameless3"][QUOTE="RPG-er"]no, if it was legal. then you lose half the thrill from smoking it. LJS9502_basic

Exactly, and less younger people would use it.

No.....both cigarettes and alcohol are legal...but have age limits.  This does NOT stop younger people from using it.  That argument is baseless.

and most people who smoke start under the age of legal use, but if legalized, it would take awat the whole rebelious factor of using the drung for all ages, so I'd expect the same decrease as has occured in other countrys.

although it might not be approperiate to simply use the term "younger" it applys to everybody.

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#148 SAURON221
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Fot a very long time I thought it should be illegal then I researched it an saw there were really no reasons for it to be illegal smoking an drinking are much more harmful then weed.
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#150 kingman03
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As I stated earlier....I'm not interested in this debate. I just don't like the alcohol excuse. Please be more original when anticipating a discussion where one wishes to sway others to their way of thinking. You have not convinced me of anything. You don't bring up any facts. As for the 38 years.....that would be some major marijuana and not a first or even second offense.LJS9502_basic
Yeah, that would be about 30 lbs of mary jane. But still, it's near harmless and, well, just fun sometimes. Nothing wrong with laughing a lot, getting the munchies, creative thinking,  and falling asleep. Why is that illegal? I guess we will never find out.