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Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LiLsLashy
I don't drink to get drunk.....
[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LJS9502_basic
I don't drink to get drunk.....
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LiLsLashy
I don't drink to get drunk.....
[QUOTE="kingman03"]Â Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
LJS9502_basic
Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.
It's a completely legit reason. It points out hypocracy with the majority of our population and some of it's legislation. It raises a good question: Why alcohol and not Pot? It's anything but a dumb argument.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LiLsLashy
I don't drink to get drunk.....
One drink or shot is not enough to get a DUI...I don't know where you get your info.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kingman03"] Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
Donkey_Puncher
Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.
It's a completely legit reason. It points out hypocracy with the majority of our population and some of it's legislation. It raises a good question: Why alcohol and not Pot? It's anything but a dumb argument.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kingman03"]Â Both alcohol and marijuana have health benefits. They both have their pros and cons, just like everyother freakin' product we consume. To say marijuana is just flat out bad for you is not only ignorant, but makes anyone who say it just plain wrong.
Donkey_Puncher
Do you even read the posts before responding? Or do you just pick an argument and insert it after a quote? I have expressed zero opinion on the legal ramifications of marijuana use. It's pointless to argue. I stated that using alcohol as an excuse to legalize marijuana is not a legitimate reason. I'm not going over the topic again. Read the posts. It's in plain English.
It's a completely legit reason. It points out hypocracy with the majority of our population and some of it's legislation. It raises a good question: Why alcohol and not Pot? It's anything but a dumb argument.It would be....if I was arguing...but I'm not. I haven't stated any opinion in this thread other than quit using alcohol as an example. If one wants to sway people they should be using scientific evidence to support what they feel about marijuana. Not confusing the issue with comments on alcohol.
[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LJS9502_basic
I don't drink to get drunk.....
One drink or shot is not enough to get a DUI...I don't know where you get your info.
Its very true, one shot wont do it- unless your about 10 yrs...That's the thing though, substances don't have to be GOOD for you to be legal in the first place!!! Hence why providing health benefits for it are Moot. Cigarettes are unhealthy, Alcohol in high doseage is unhealthy, Salvia is unhealthy, fast food is unhealthy, ect. You want a reason why Pot should be legal? It's not lethal, not addictive, and.........the government shouldn't care what people inhale as long as one doesn't infringe upon the rights of others while using it.It would be....if I was arguing...but I'm not. I haven't stated any opinion in this thread other than quit using alcohol as an example. If one wants to sway people they should be using scientific evidence to support what they feel about marijuana. Not confusing the issue with comments on alcohol.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LiLsLashy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. LJS9502_basic
I don't drink to get drunk.....
One drink or shot is not enough to get a DUI...I don't know where you get your info.
One hit of Weed won't get you high either.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's the thing though, substances don't have to be GOOD for you to be legal in the first place!!! Hence why providing health benefits for it are Moot. Cigarettes are unhealthy, Alcohol in high doseage is unhealthy, Salvia is unhealthy, fast food is unhealthy, ect. You want a reason why Pot should be legal? It's not lethal, not addictive, and.........the government shouldn't care what people inhale as long as one doesn't infringe upon the rights of others while using it.It would be....if I was arguing...but I'm not. I haven't stated any opinion in this thread other than quit using alcohol as an example. If one wants to sway people they should be using scientific evidence to support what they feel about marijuana. Not confusing the issue with comments on alcohol.
Donkey_Puncher
Ok...let me put it this way. Let's say I have no opinion on the subject and you are trying to push me over to your side. Now, cigarettes are unhealthy....but they're not going anywhere. Alcohol is good for you unless it's abused. Not everyone abuses it. It's not going anywhere as well. So, what your argument needs is reasons why marijuana is at the very least scientifically proven to be harmless. We'll leave medicinal marijuana out because it's legal...and/or not what the general population wants to use it for anyway.
There is still some negative impact that is produced by smoking it. Whether that is enough to keep it illegal or not I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that putting in a category with cigarettes and alcohol and then calling them harmful does not help your cause.
In this threads I've yet to see evidence pointing out the relative harmlessness of using it. It may exist...no one shows it. So how do you expect anyone to switch sides in the debate?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. Donkey_Puncher
I don't drink to get drunk.....
One drink or shot is not enough to get a DUI...I don't know where you get your info.
One hit of Weed won't get you high either. Where did I say it did? I was correcting his erroneous statement....like I would assume you would if I stated something incorrect about marijuana.Seems you left out my entire meaning to my post. YOU DON"T NEED TO PROVE IT"S HEALTHY TO LEGALIZE IT! You conveniently left out cigaretters because "they aren't going anywhere", well Pot isn't either. There's your comparison. Read what I said before. As long as someone doesn't infringe on someone's right while smoking it, it shouldn't bother you, hence it should be legal. You can't make something illegal because "it's bad for you". But just for kicks, here's a link for you http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html.Ok...let me put it this way. Let's say I have no opinion on the subject and you are trying to push me over to your side. Now, cigarettes are unhealthy....but they're not going anywhere. Alcohol is good for you unless it's abused. Not everyone abuses it. It's not going anywhere as well. So, what your argument needs is reasons why marijuana is at the very least scientifically proven to be harmless. We'll leave medicinal marijuana out because it's legal...and/or not what the general population wants to use it for anyway.
There is still some negative impact that is produced by smoking it. Whether that is enough to keep it illegal or not I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that putting in a category with cigarettes and alcohol and then calling them harmful does not help your cause.
In this threads I've yet to see evidence pointing out the relative harmlessness of using it. It may exist...no one shows it. So how do you expect anyone to switch sides in the debate?
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems you left out my entire meaning to my post. YOU DON"T NEED TO PROVE IT"S HEALTHY TO LEGALIZE IT! You conveniently left out cigaretters because "they aren't going anywhere", well Pot isn't either. There's your comparison. Read what I said before. As long as someone doesn't infringe on someone's right while smoking it, it shouldn't bother you, hence it should be legal. You can't make something illegal because "it's bad for you". But just for kicks, here's a link for you http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html...............Ok...let me put it this way. Let's say I have no opinion on the subject and you are trying to push me over to your side. Now, cigarettes are unhealthy....but they're not going anywhere. Alcohol is good for you unless it's abused. Not everyone abuses it. It's not going anywhere as well. So, what your argument needs is reasons why marijuana is at the very least scientifically proven to be harmless. We'll leave medicinal marijuana out because it's legal...and/or not what the general population wants to use it for anyway.
There is still some negative impact that is produced by smoking it. Whether that is enough to keep it illegal or not I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that putting in a category with cigarettes and alcohol and then calling them harmful does not help your cause.
In this threads I've yet to see evidence pointing out the relative harmlessness of using it. It may exist...no one shows it. So how do you expect anyone to switch sides in the debate?
Donkey_Puncher
You missed the entire point of my thread. I said coupling it with the other two vices helps not your cause.
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems you left out my entire meaning to my post. YOU DON"T NEED TO PROVE IT"S HEALTHY TO LEGALIZE IT! You conveniently left out cigaretters because "they aren't going anywhere", well Pot isn't either. There's your comparison. Read what I said before. As long as someone doesn't infringe on someone's right while smoking it, it shouldn't bother you, hence it should be legal. You can't make something illegal because "it's bad for you". But just for kicks, here's a link for you http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html...............Ok...let me put it this way. Let's say I have no opinion on the subject and you are trying to push me over to your side. Now, cigarettes are unhealthy....but they're not going anywhere. Alcohol is good for you unless it's abused. Not everyone abuses it. It's not going anywhere as well. So, what your argument needs is reasons why marijuana is at the very least scientifically proven to be harmless. We'll leave medicinal marijuana out because it's legal...and/or not what the general population wants to use it for anyway.
There is still some negative impact that is produced by smoking it. Whether that is enough to keep it illegal or not I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that putting in a category with cigarettes and alcohol and then calling them harmful does not help your cause.
In this threads I've yet to see evidence pointing out the relative harmlessness of using it. It may exist...no one shows it. So how do you expect anyone to switch sides in the debate?
LJS9502_basic
You missed the entire point of my thread. I said coupling it with the other two vices helps not your cause.
How does it not? If alcohol and cigarettes aren't going anywhere, then obviously coupling it with those IS going to help people see recognize it isn't going anywhere as well. Secondly, I'll say it one more time and then I'm done here. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T INFRINGE UPON OTHERS RIGHTS WHILE USING IT, POT SHOULD BE LEGAL. It comes down to personal rights and freedom's, the government does not have a right to tell people not to harm themselves, only that they can't harm others. That is my main reason Pot should be legal. Take it, wrap it, and put it in a bushel basket. I'm out. Oh and read the link. Even I found it suprising.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems you left out my entire meaning to my post. YOU DON"T NEED TO PROVE IT"S HEALTHY TO LEGALIZE IT! You conveniently left out cigaretters because "they aren't going anywhere", well Pot isn't either. There's your comparison. Read what I said before. As long as someone doesn't infringe on someone's right while smoking it, it shouldn't bother you, hence it should be legal. You can't make something illegal because "it's bad for you". But just for kicks, here's a link for you http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html...............Ok...let me put it this way. Let's say I have no opinion on the subject and you are trying to push me over to your side. Now, cigarettes are unhealthy....but they're not going anywhere. Alcohol is good for you unless it's abused. Not everyone abuses it. It's not going anywhere as well. So, what your argument needs is reasons why marijuana is at the very least scientifically proven to be harmless. We'll leave medicinal marijuana out because it's legal...and/or not what the general population wants to use it for anyway.
There is still some negative impact that is produced by smoking it. Whether that is enough to keep it illegal or not I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that putting in a category with cigarettes and alcohol and then calling them harmful does not help your cause.
In this threads I've yet to see evidence pointing out the relative harmlessness of using it. It may exist...no one shows it. So how do you expect anyone to switch sides in the debate?
Donkey_Puncher
You missed the entire point of my thread. I said coupling it with the other two vices helps not your cause.
How does it not? If alcohol and cigarettes aren't going anywhere, then obviously coupling it with those IS going to help people see recognize it isn't going anywhere as well. Secondly, I'll say it one more time and then I'm done here. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T INFRINGE UPON OTHERS RIGHTS WHILE USING IT, POT SHOULD BE LEGAL. It comes down to personal rights and freedom's, the government does not have a right to tell people not to harm themselves, only that they can't harm others. That is my main reason Pot should be legal. Take it, wrap it, and put it in a bushel basket. I'm out. Oh and read the link. Even I found it suprising.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LiLsLashy"]Smoking marijuanna may be unhealthy, but ingesting it through other means poses absolutely ZERO health risks. Let's face it, people don't drink for it's heath benefits. People drink to get drunk and feel relaxed. This is why the Alcohol vs. Marijuanna debate in completely valid. Donkey_Puncher
I don't drink to get drunk.....
One drink or shot is not enough to get a DUI...I don't know where you get your info.
One hit of Weed won't get you high either.There aren't any strong reasons for it being illegal.Nameless3
It should be legalized and taxed. It would boost the economy, and the fact is that Marijuana has proven health benefits unlike smoking, such as improving memory (They actually recommend it for people who fear getting altheimers) and preventing cancer.Thechaninator
ok you need to give back up to this information. give me a link that says this. im pretty sure that smoking DOES NOT improve memory. trust me on this. every person i hang out with is a pot head. my older brother included among other things. and they cant even remember what day of the week it is. i on hte other hand have the best memory of the group(dont mean to sound cocky but its true) and i have never done a drug in my life. but yeah it would boost economy. and i find it funny how you think dumping smoke in your lungs prevents cancer. thats just the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
k now back to it. do i think it should be legal? yeah why the hell not. i see it as being close to the same level as alchohol. but then again. would i want to have to deal with the sh!t that would ensue from the angry protesting soccer moms? hell no for that fact alone i would keep it illegal. morally though i dont see the problem with it. i dont smoke it. i think it consumes people to the point where that is the only thing they want to do. and you know what. that betters my chances of getting the good jobs. just narrows the field of choice a bit.
Why legalize that crap? There are enough pot heads in this nation already. A Russian kid at my school smokes weed. And I'm pretty sure there are others pot heads around my school.
All it would bring is more crime, accidents, and death. Crap like that should never be legalized.
every country that has legalized it has seen an immediate drop in crime and gang related violence, as well as use.Why legalize that crap? There are enough pot heads in this nation already. A Russian kid at my school smokes weed. And I'm pretty sure there are others pot heads around my school.
All it would bring is more crime, accidents, and death. Crap like that should never be legalized.
john_doe2
Yes it should be legalized
I'm not going to into a huge debate because it's pointless.. it's illegal there isnt anything I personally can do to change that. But if I could you can bet that I would.
[QUOTE="megagene"]I cannot put it more simply. If alcohol is legal, marijuana should be legal.Roland1987I don't like this arguement (it is very common). Just because one bad thign is legal, doesnt mean we should legalize another. Alcohol creates an obscene amount of problems, why legalize somethign else that will cause problems. Is weed more or less dangerous then alcohol? That's debateable, but it is clear that neither are good. Obviously making alcohol illeagal won't happen, but why allow somethign else that doesnt benefit anyone (the memory thing is debatable, one peice of research says its good, three say its bad, then a new one comes up saying its bad, then another rebuttes that, it is ongoing, there isnt enough known about long term effects, or even short term to make a definitive statment). If weed is made legal then why not other drugs? It's a slippery slope and legalizing it isn't goign to benfit anyone. I don't care what people say, weed doesn't benefit anyone, there may be reserch sayign it helps one thing but there is just as much sayign the opposite.
That is absolutely ignorant. Marijuana has many, many benefits to a lot of people. I went through chemotherapy, and what marijuana did to help me was incredible. It increased my appetite, took away the nausea and helped me get through the most difficult parts of treatment. It helps many people in many ways. It is hugely beneficial, and I know this to be a fact from personal experience.
I'm sorry if I come off as passionate, but your statement is utterly false.
Tell me brethren, should marijuana be legal? I need to be convinced either way. Please provide supporting evidence. Also, If it should be made legal, what should the age restrictions be?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                                         !
Belisarius-9
[QUOTE="rsunset327"]Great... You want the world to be filled with lazy potheads with manboobs who amount to jack squat in society? Sure legalize it. Spend your days talking about how cool and deep Pink Floyd is. Losers.Caffeine_TripYou've played 7 hours of Oblivion this week. You must be an overweight nerd with acne.. That's basically the same thing you're doing with Marijuana. Stereotyping. >.> ive played it 29 hours this week even more maybe
Nah..all forms of illegal drugs should just be banned and stopped from being produced.princemarth23the government has already tried this. the result is billions and billions of dollars flushed down the toilet, people sitting in jail for victimless crimes, restriction of personal freedom, spikes in gang violence because of the profit to be made due to the illegality of drugs, and in pretty much all cases, no real positive effect from these laws because you can go anywhere and ask around a bit and get whatever drugs you want.
Marijuana carries the same health risks as smoking, and has similar effects to alcohol on mental capacity. Although it's said that Marijuana can result in hallucination if you smoke a mass quantity. But then, a side effect of mass intake of alcohol is death. Marijuana has no risk of physical addiction. You can become mentally addicted to marijuana, but then you can become mentally addicted to just about anything.... like smoking, drinking, or World of Warcraft.
I see no reason why marijuana shouldn't be legalized, it's no more dangerous that smoking or alcohol. however you could just as easily say that alcohol and smoking should be illegal. It's all dangerous and shortens your life expectancy, but hey, it's your body. Marijuana should be legalized, but since I don't smoke it, I don't care either way.
It should be legalized and taxed. It would boost the economy, and the fact is that Marijuana has proven health benefits unlike smoking, such as improving memory (They actually recommend it for people who fear getting altheimers) and preventing cancer.ThechaninatorYeah brilliant, you forget it renders your short-term memory completely useless (Own experience, I've stopped smoking excessively for months now. I couldn't even remember when I got to the supermarket what it was that I needed. Keep in mind I was smoking excessively at the time, and that's not good whatever you're taking (be it alcohol, drugs, hamburgers etc.).... However, facts are: 1. Alcohol is both mentally and physically addictive 2. Marihuana is only mentally addictive 3. Nobody has ever died of an overdose of marihuana 4. People have died while smoking marihuana, but the marihuana was never the cause of death 5. I've yet to experience the first person that gets agressive from smoking marihuana 6. If you have relatives which suffer from either mental diseases, smoking marihuana increases the chance you'll get either of those. (Doesn't go for every mental illness, most often triggered by marihuana are: Paranoia & Schizophrenia 7. By Legalizing marihuana, market economy will reign, prices will go down as the supply will drastically increase, no need for mental addicts to steal stuff 8. By designating special bars for people to smoke marihuana, there is a minimal burden on the community. (The Netherlands have proven this for over 30 years) Now here are some findings in my own country where weed is practically legal (in theory it's illegal, but under 5 grams nobody cares). The weed is sold through "Coffeeshops". If in an area there is alot of non-marihuana drug use (heroine, cocaine, speed, etc.) placing a coffeeshop will reduce the amount of "harder" drugs used.
Great... You want the world to be filled with lazy potheads with manboobs who amount to jack squat in society? Sure legalize it. Spend your days talking about how cool and deep Pink Floyd is. Losers.rsunset327:| I smoke pot and I don't have manboobs, I'm not lazy, and I really have plans on doing well. In fact, I've done better in school and have become more active since I started smoking it.
Also, Pink Floyd is amazing.
[QUOTE="princemarth23"]Nah..all forms of illegal drugs should just be banned and stopped from being produced.ROLFCHANKthe government has already tried this. the result is billions and billions of dollars flushed down the toilet, people sitting in jail for victimless crimes, restriction of personal freedom, spikes in gang violence because of the profit to be made due to the illegality of drugs, and in pretty much all cases, no real positive effect from these laws because you can go anywhere and ask around a bit and get whatever drugs you want.
Agreed. Marijuana doesn't have to be defensible for the legalization of it to be, because in this case the more practical approach IS the more permissive approach... not to mention the same approach already applied to alcohol.
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